Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[Lou_23]

Anyone has Simmon's HS senior stat vs LeBron's? (or scouting report)

FWIW.

Lebron shot 38% on 3s in HS on 157 attempts. 68% from FT line.
Simmons shot 29% on 3s in HS on 51 attempts. 68% from FT line.
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/ben-simmons/x5R1fvTqEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm
Ingram shot 38% from 3s in HS on 139 attempts. 77% from FT line
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/brandon-ingram/VeYTZ_TqEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm

I didnt remember how old he looked when he was young Lol

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[Unbreakable99]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Coach15602825/ben-simmons-nba-ceiling

As I said, context is key... This is an absolutely pro Simmons article that was posted on our board a couple of days ago, that says he could also be a DPOY... Yet you take one snippet out of the article to validate your argument about his shooting...

..which I acknowledged in my earlier post than that.

I was more pointing out on Thorpe's opinion that how special Simmons will be depends on his shooting. Which I think should be the biggest determining factor, since it's the trait that holds the highest value on offense. While we know both guys aren't slouches on defense.

It's something that gets overlooked IMO, with all the potential DPOY talk in the article.

You really are determined to die on that Ingram hill aren't you.

[sixers hoops]

As I said, context is key... This is an absolutely pro Simmons article that was posted on our board a couple of days ago, that says he could also be a DPOY... Yet you take one snippet out of the article to validate your argument about his shooting...

..which I acknowledged in my earlier post than that.

I was more pointing out on Thorpe's opinion that how special Simmons will be depends on his shooting. Which I think should be the biggest determining factor, since it's the trait that holds the highest value on offense. While we know both guys aren't slouches on defense.

It's something that gets overlooked IMO, with all the potential DPOY talk in the article.

You really are determined to die on that Ingram hill aren't you.

Lol. Do you want him to just side with who you like to end the discussion?

The point of the thread is to discuss Simmons vs. Ingram.

[Agnostifarian]

I just discovered "Friends & Foes" under the User Control Panel. Brilliant!

[76ciology]

As I said, context is key... This is an absolutely pro Simmons article that was posted on our board a couple of days ago, that says he could also be a DPOY... Yet you take one snippet out of the article to validate your argument about his shooting...

..which I acknowledged in my earlier post than that.

I was more pointing out on Thorpe's opinion that how special Simmons will be depends on his shooting. Which I think should be the biggest determining factor, since it's the trait that holds the highest value on offense. While we know both guys aren't slouches on defense.

It's something that gets overlooked IMO, with all the potential DPOY talk in the article.

You really are determined to die on that Ingram hill aren't you.

Actually, I'll try to go low key now. I think I have come to aggressive recently and have been spending a lot of time here. I also want to hear other people's opinion, to tell you frankly.

It's just I have learned my lessons with Turner, MCW and Mudiay. Then recently, I've been trying to understand the trend, stats and why Jah is having a hard time improving his ORPM despite having star level skillset on offense compared to KP or KAT.

And that's just what I have notice shooting will determine how special a player will be on offense. The game nowadays is just a contest between rotate+close out defense and shooting. Hawks and Celtics are the moneyball version of this. Players like Hood, Frye, Crowder, Jokic and RoCo are also some examples. They might be inferior to eye test talent but they have really good analytics, something I think Ingram can translate into and more.

[FreesFro]

Sorry, you can't compare Simmons to Turner, MCW and Mudiay. Yes, they ar/were all questionable shooters, but name me one thing that either Turner, MCW or Mudiay were able to do at an elite level when they left college?

We all know that there has been nobody as big as Ben Simmons who could handle the ball like he does and who has had that amazing court vision. He's taller than Magic. He can take most guys off the dribble and finish aggressively with either hand. None of Turner, MCW or Mudiay can do that.

You draft Ben Simmons and you let the offense run through him period. He's elite. If/when he becomes a better shooter he'll be a top 3 NBA player as Lebron sails off into the sunset.

[Unbreakable99]

Sorry, you can't compare Simmons to Turner, MCW and Mudiay. Yes, they ar/were all questionable shooters, but name me one thing that either Turner, MCW or Mudiay were able to do at an elite level when they left college?

We all know that there has been nobody as big as Ben Simmons who could handle the ball like he does and who has had that amazing court vision. He's taller than Magic. He can take most guys off the dribble and finish aggressively with either hand. None of Turner, MCW or Mudiay can do that.

You draft Ben Simmons and you let the offense run through him period. He's elite. If/when he becomes a better shooter he'll be a top 3 NBA player as Lebron sails off into the sunset.

Exactly. Thank you.

[Unbreakable99]

..which I acknowledged in my earlier post than that.

I was more pointing out on Thorpe's opinion that how special Simmons will be depends on his shooting. Which I think should be the biggest determining factor, since it's the trait that holds the highest value on offense. While we know both guys aren't slouches on defense.

It's something that gets overlooked IMO, with all the potential DPOY talk in the article.

You really are determined to die on that Ingram hill aren't you.

Actually, I'll try to go low key now. I think I have come to aggressive recently and have been spending a lot of time here. I also want to hear other people's opinion, to tell you frankly.

It's just I have learned my lessons with Turner, MCW and Mudiay. Then recently, I've been trying to understand the trend, stats and why Jah is having a hard time improving his ORPM despite having star level skillset on offense compared to KP or KAT.

And that's just what I have notice shooting will determine how special a player will be on offense. The game nowadays is just a contest between rotate+close out defense and shooting. Hawks and Celtics are the moneyball version of this. Players like Hood, Frye, Crowder, Jokic and RoCo are also some examples. They might be inferior to eye test talent but they have really good analytics, something I think Ingram can translate into and more.

Turner and Mudiay and MCW were not even close to the level of prospect as Simmons. They were never considered transcendent. Did any of them ever get comparisons to Magic and LeBron like Brett Brown said about Simmons? No. He's Simmons needs to improve his shooting to become an elite player but he is so good even without the shot that you take him.

[Ericb5]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiZTj8bQjrs[/youtube]
How can you watch this youtube and still think this kid is not special.

He protect the rim, run the break, shoot at halfcourt, post up, can attack off the dribble at halfcourt or at transition. He's just 18. There's no doubt in my mind that he can translate his game in the NBA.

Nobody can match-up with his size except for KD. He's impossible to defend at the left side of the floor. Shoots 53% from 3s, 42% from 2s and can dunk over people with his 9'2" reach and 40" vertical.

If you discount the first month of his college season, which seems like a transition month, he shot 43% from 3s.

He has a 40 inch vertical????????? Where did you see that?

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/07/incoming-duke-freshman-has-an-absolutely-insane-vertical-leap



13 ft minus 9'2" reach. That's more than 40" actually.

I still have serious doubts about that 9'2 reach.

That is what Noel's reach was at the combine, and he is taller with longer arms.

[NYSixersFan]

If we draft Simmons and then get the 3rd or 4th pick, I would take Jamal Murray over Dunn....Murray fits much better with Simmons...more of a shooter...doesn't dominate the ball

[05PhillyAI]

If we draft Simmons and then get the 3rd or 4th pick, I would take Jamal Murray over Dunn....Murray fits much better with Simmons...more of a shooter...doesn't dominate the ball

Once again, people here and even the guys on sports radio, you all are going to be very disappointed if you're dead red on the Sixers taking Simmons. Better at least entertain the idea that they take Ingram 1

[CoreyGallagher]

I still have serious doubts about that 9'2 reach.

That is what Noel's reach was at the combine, and he is taller with longer arms.

A 9'2 reach would be impressive, but if that is exaggerated then it makes his vertical leap there more impressive. I don't doubt that Ingram is a freak, that's why despite his lackluster numbers overall in college - which if by themselves wouldn't be impressive - I'd still be fine if we drafted him because of everything else.

I prefer Simmons, but I don't believe anybody should be disappointed if we drafted either.

[spikeslovechild]

Well Jaylen Brown recently got caught and he only got caught because he was dumb enough to participate in the combine. I mean an inch I can understand. Maybe. 3 inches is something fishy which is why the NBA is starting to investigate.

I only trust the NBA combine numbers at this point. Handlers must be passing a couple of bucks to the ppl doing these events to pad numbers.

[Kobblehead]

A guy with that reach and vertical yet he could only finish at the rim at a 58% clip (the same pathetic mark T.J. McConnell finished at during his rookie year).

Ingram should be at Duke for his sophomore year. Not in a discussion with an actual star talent like Simmons.

[76ciology]

To change the topic here after 56 pages. Which is my personal quota per chapter of my book "Ben Simmons and his missing jumper".

What's stopping Ingram from being a superstar wing?

7'3" wingspan
9'2" standing reach
44" vertical allegedly
41% 3pt shooter
Only 17% assisted FGs
30+% of his FGs are off guard duties
1.3 blocks per game (averaged 3bpg in HS)
He's shown progress to being stronger.
Better points per possession than KD in ISO and PnR
Shot 68% FT for the season but 71.5% in the last 3 months on 113 attempts. Shot 77% in HS
Impossible to stop on upper left side of the court (LBJ's sweet spot), where he shoots 52% 3, 43% mid range and 60% at the rim, at that side of the court.
He can also handle the ball and pass to open teammates.
He is also very good in transition

[BNelley24]

For the longest time I was torn between Simmons & Ingram, but over the last few days, I've done as much research as I can.

I have come to the conclusion that Simmons HAS TO BE THE PICK. Look, I won't go into the basketball reasons because they are already posted in this thread. I'm going to bring another reason that he is the pick that some might not have thought of.

Simmons is the much larger name than Ingram. I was and still am the biggest Hinkie supporter there is. During the late Iverson years I was begging the franchise to tear it down and build through the draft. However, that being said one of the downsides of the process is that the average Joe equates 76ers with losing. The 76ers over the course of the last few years have taken a hit on the brand. I work in a casino and whenever NBA is brought up at the table the 76ers get killed. All over the country and across the globe the 76ers are a laughing stock.

If you did a poll with everyone in the world asking the basic question "Which name do you recognize more; Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram" I would guarantee SImmons would likely win by a good margin.

Simmons would instantly be the face of the franchise. When you think of LeBron you think of the Cavs, Wade:Heat, Durant&Westbrook: OKC, Curry:Warriors, Iverson:76ers BEN SIMMONS:76ers.

I'm not saying Ingram couldn't do this as well, I just think Simmons has that "it" factor on & off the court just like Iverson did. Simmons also likely has a cult following in Australia, we'd have a lot of new 76ers fans in the Down Under (especially with Brown being from there)...

Thoughts?

[Ericb5]

For the longest time I was torn between Simmons & Ingram, but over the last few days, I've done as much research as I can.

I have come to the conclusion that Simmons HAS TO BE THE PICK. Look, I won't go into the basketball reasons because they are already posted in this thread. I'm going to bring another reason that he is the pick that some might not have thought of.

Simmons is the much larger name than Ingram. I was and still am the biggest Hinkie supporter there is. During the late Iverson years I was begging the franchise to tear it down and build through the draft. However, that being said one of the downsides of the process is that the average Joe equates 76ers with losing. The 76ers over the course of the last few years have taken a hit on the brand. I work in a casino and whenever NBA is brought up at the table the 76ers get killed. All over the country and across the globe the 76ers are a laughing stock.

If you did a poll with everyone in the world asking the basic question "Which name do you recognize more; Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram" I would guarantee SImmons would likely win by a good margin.

Simmons would instantly be the face of the franchise. When you think of LeBron you think of the Cavs, Wade:Heat, Durant&Westbrook: OKC, Curry:Warriors, Iverson:76ers BEN SIMMONS:76ers.

I'm not saying Ingram couldn't do this as well, I just think Simmons has that "it" factor on & off the court just like Iverson did. Simmons also likely has a cult following in Australia, we'd have a lot of new 76ers fans in the Down Under (especially with Brown being from there)...

Thoughts?

I'm Simmons all the way, and have been all year. I'm also a huge Hinkie supporter, but Hinkie would never use "bigger name" as a reason to take a player.

2 years from now the better player between Ingram and Simmons will be the bigger name.

I'm sure that Hinkie would have taken Simmons simply because he has the higher upside with very little risk.

[Sixteen]

Any photoshopped pics of Ben in a Sixers jersey?

[Unbreakable99]

If we draft Simmons and then get the 3rd or 4th pick, I would take Jamal Murray over Dunn....Murray fits much better with Simmons...more of a shooter...doesn't dominate the ball

I agree. I said the same thing. Murray would be a good complement offensively. He can play some point but is more of a shooter. I wish he were better on defense though. That's the only thing that gives me some pause but I still would take him.

[Unbreakable99]

If we draft Simmons and then get the 3rd or 4th pick, I would take Jamal Murray over Dunn....Murray fits much better with Simmons...more of a shooter...doesn't dominate the ball

Once again, people here and even the guys on sports radio, you all are going to be very disappointed if you're dead red on the Sixers taking Simmons. Better at least entertain the idea that they take Ingram 1

Not happening. It's done. It's Simmons. Why would you entertain drafting a lesser prospect? I could understand if it were between Towns and Simmons but it's Ingram.