2016 draft thread: Part 2

Krapinsky · Post #641 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:44 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Well, I think he would be drafted as a combo guard with decisions being made from there.

I think if we take Dunn he's being drafted as Rubio's successor at PG and we start taking offers for Rubio. I don't agree with it, but I think that's just the facts.

Post #642 » by **Klomp** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:48 pm

Krapinsky wrote:I think if we take Dunn he's being drafted as Rubio's successor at PG and we start taking offers for Rubio. I don't agree with it, but I think that's just the facts.

Maybe down the line, but I don't think that's a move that would need to be made right away.

Murphs56 · Post #643 » by **Murphs56** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:50 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Well, I think he would be drafted as a combo guard with decisions being made from there. If Rubio and Dunn are both on the team, there's no doubt they are going to share the court at times.

I believe One of the two will be traded. If the wolves draft Dunn there will be a plethora of offers on the table for him all the way through the summer

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Post #644 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:56 pm

Just for reference, I took this from the draft board. Both Hield and Dunn have above average wingspans for a SG, Murray is really the only one whose size is questionable.

doordoor123 wrote:Incase anyone is wondering. I did the calculations for starters

PG
AVERAGE HEIGHT: 6'2 (elite: 6'5)
AVERAGE WINGSPAN: 6'5 (elite: 6'8)
SG
AVERAGE HEIGHT: 6'5 (elite: 6'7)
AVERAGE WINGSPAN: 6'8 (elite: 6'11)
SF
AVERAGE HEIGHT: 6'7 (elite: 6'9)
AVERAGE WINGSPAN: 6'10 (elite: 7'2)
PF
AVERAGE HEIGHT: 6'9 (elite: 6'11)
AVERAGE WINGSPAN: 7'1 (elite: 7'4)
C
AVERAGE HEIGHT: 6'11 (elite: 7'0)
AVERAGE WINGSPAN: 7'3 (elite: 7'6)

Post #645 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun May 22, 2016 6:59 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Well, I think he would be drafted as a combo guard with decisions being made from there.

I think if we take Dunn he's being drafted as Rubio's successor at PG and we start taking offers for Rubio. I don't agree with it, but I think that's just the facts.

I think the problem there is that replacing Rubio with a rookie is a step back, and it's also going to be tough to get full value for Rubio in a trade because of his shooting.
If we think Dunn is the best player on the board, I think we take and let things play out for a season.

Post #646 » by **Klomp** » Sun May 22, 2016 9:40 pm

Sound familiar?

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gopher wolf · Post #647 » by **gopher wolf** » Mon May 23, 2016 2:32 am

Feilong wrote:
Murphs56 wrote:
Feilong wrote:Seriously you can't compare a freak athlete like Zach to Dunn.
On top of that Zach has 2 full years of NBA experience playing ton of minutes and he is still a bad defender. Imagine how lost will Dunn look. If Dunn had a M.Smart type of body and motor i would say yes maybe he has a chance, but unfortunately he hasn't (the body and motor of Smart).

One of Dunn's biggest projected strengths at the NBA level is his potential as a shutdown defender. Don't know why you're saying that.

He wasn't a shutdown defender in college when he was guarding shorter/younger PGs, you expect him to become a shutdown defender when he will guard taller/stronger SGs?
Yes he has the potential to become a good defender in the NBA someday (maybe in 2-3 years) but the projections you are talking, are about guarding PGs, not SGs. There is a difference.

Dunn, in addition to being the most opportunistic defender in the draft, was absolutely capable of locking down an opposing ball hander one on one when he needed to. I don’t know where you getting the opinion that he wasn’t. Our second unit’s D would instantly get better if we take him.

Mattya · Post #648 » by **Mattya** » Mon May 23, 2016 4:13 am

I have Bender above Dunn and Murray and they are both above Buddy Hield for me. Bender is the best prospect in this draft in my opinion(over Ingram and Simmons). He seems like a player Thibs would like, but I'm not sure Thibs is willing to spend the time it will take to develop him. I can't decide right now between Dunn and Murray. Dunn looks like a can't miss player to me. Murray looks like a potentially great shooter with decent distributing ability(nothing I would consider special though). I think Dunn can improve as a shooter so to me he could be a total package who could be a great fit potentially with both Rubio and LaVine. Age is definitely a factor that goes into Murray's side for me. Not many guys his age that can shoot like that as a 1st year college player. That one is close enough for me to look at fit with our need for shooting and go Murray. I think Dunn is a much better prospect and fit(especially with LaVine) than Hield though, who I would still rank 6th. I like the spot we are in the draft.

Saltine · Post #649 » by **Saltine** » Mon May 23, 2016 5:30 am

Dunn has also had 2 major surgeries on his shoulder, he has a bunch of screws in there...

Post #650 » by **Klomp** » Mon May 23, 2016 6:08 am

Saltine wrote:Dunn has also had 2 major surgeries on his shoulder, he has a bunch of screws in there...

There's only a 10% chance of re-injury, and he's changed up a lot of his in-game mechanics and daily routines since then.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/18/kris-dunn-providence-friars-shoulder

Post #651 » by **Klomp** » Mon May 23, 2016 7:23 am

Everyone talks about trading down or out, but I actually wonder if we'd consider trading up from 5 to 3 in order to ensure we get the guy we want? What would it take?

Foye · Post #652 » by **Foye** » Mon May 23, 2016 7:40 am

Klomp wrote:Everyone talks about trading down or out, but I actually wonder if we'd consider trading up from 5 to 3 in order to ensure we get the guy we want? What would it take?

Probably Dieng or Bazz which might be an overpay in a weak draft.

Post #653 » by **Klomp** » Mon May 23, 2016 7:49 am

Foye wrote:
Klomp wrote:Everyone talks about trading down or out, but I actually wonder if we'd consider trading up from 5 to 3 in order to ensure we get the guy we want? What would it take?

Probably Dieng or Bazz which might be an overpay in a weak draft.

But at the same time, Bazz might be on the way out anyways if Luol Deng is a FA target.

wolves_89 · Post #654 » by **wolves_89** » Mon May 23, 2016 7:56 am

Klomp wrote:
Foye wrote:
Klomp wrote:Everyone talks about trading down or out, but I actually wonder if we'd consider trading up from 5 to 3 in order to ensure we get the guy we want? What would it take?

Probably Dieng or Bazz which might be an overpay in a weak draft.

But at the same time, Bazz might be on the way out anyways if Luol Deng is a FA target.

I'd be willing to give up Bazz to move up, but I don't see anyone in the Bender/Murray/Hield/Dunn group that would be worth giving up Dieng.

Foye · Post #655 » by **Foye** » Mon May 23, 2016 7:58 am

Not sure whether Stevens would be interested in Bazz, though. Bazz just doesn't offer enough on D.

Saltine · Post #656 » by **Saltine** » Mon May 23, 2016 8:20 am

Klomp wrote:
Saltine wrote:Dunn has also had 2 major surgeries on his shoulder, he has a bunch of screws in there...

There's only a 10% chance of re-injury, and he's changed up a lot of his in-game mechanics and daily routines since then.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/18/kris-dunn-providence-friars-shoulder

The surgeons in my family would like to know if that's per hour? week? or month? That's an absurd thing for a doctor to say, total BS. So if he goes up for a layup, gets knocked sideways and lands on that shoulder, we roll a ten sided die?

TwolvesFanRome · Post #657 » by **TwolvesFanRome** » Mon May 23, 2016 9:53 am

Bazz/#5 ---> Bender?

I m re-considering my opinion over Murray anyway...looks like better than Hield overall...Hield continues to seems to me a run and gun (very pretty though) and not much more..

What are your opinions over that move up and over murray/hield?

Sugarless · Post #658 » by **Sugarless** » Mon May 23, 2016 10:33 am

I don't think Bazz and 5 would get you the third pick. Bazz is just not that good, there are plenty of players in the NBA with his skill level, he lacks fundamentals and is too limited in what he does on the court right now, and he's gonna be 24 next year, still young but not a teenager anymore who you can expect to get much better in basic areas such as defense, dribbling, court-vision, passing...

As for Murray and Hield, I think Murray is more of a one trick pony right now. At 19 yo he's got more upside but Hield to me is a better all-around player at the moment and he's more NBA ready, which is something we are going to need out of our rookies going forward.

Krapinsky · Post #659 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon May 23, 2016 1:45 pm

Klomp wrote:Everyone talks about trading down or out, but I actually wonder if we'd consider trading up from 5 to 3 in order to ensure we get the guy we want? What would it take?

Boston isn't going to want to trade back to dilute assets. They already have more assets and players than the know what to do with.

That said, if Hield isn't there at 5, I'd be more prone to trade back and target Valentine, Prince, Bentil, and Maker.

rick_21 · Post #660 » by **rick_21** » Mon May 23, 2016 5:04 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Klomp wrote:Everyone talks about trading down or out, but I actually wonder if we'd consider trading up from 5 to 3 in order to ensure we get the guy we want? What would it take?

Boston isn't going to want to trade back to dilute assets. They already have more assets and players than the know what to do with.

I think the same. Boston has a lot of draft picks and young players, so trading down to acquire another small asset like Shabazz Muhammad or even Gorgui Dieng don't really make sense for them.

They will trade the pick for a proven NBA star or either draft the best player available, which sadly for us, it's Dragan Bender.