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Renegade_H wrote:On Philly.com Sixers Forum, a user with a "source" is claiming PHX and PHI are working a deal surrounding 4 and Noel. Obviously everyone has a source now or just trolling, but hypothetically, what extra pieces would each side have to hammer out to get this done?
Sixers will take contracts and we are looking for either Dunn or Murray at the 4 spot.
cosmofizzo wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:Renegade_H wrote:On Philly.com Sixers Forum, a user with a "source" is claiming PHX and PHI are working a deal surrounding 4 and Noel. Obviously everyone has a source now or just trolling, but hypothetically, what extra pieces would each side have to hammer out to get this done?
Sixers will take contracts and we are looking for either Dunn or Murray at the 4 spot.
Good lord I hope this is 100% Internet bs. No desire to add Noel and he can't play the 4 so chandler would need to go. I guess I'd be willing to do chandler and 28 for Noel but I don't see Philly doing that.
We'd need to move Alex; otherwise, we'd have two non-scoring centers up for big paydays simultaneously - not a good position to be in. We didn't draft Noel not only for injury reasons, but character concerns.
I'm willing to bet this is BS. And I wouldn't trade the #4 for either Noel or Okafor. If it's a 3 team deal, we can talk, but Noel alone is really just the start of a package for the #4, IMO.
Edit: And one more thing. Trading Tyson and/or Knight for nothing is a NEGATIVE value proposition. We won't give them away. Who would we sign instead?? What good is cap space when you have nothing to spend it on? Besides, there will be teams that fail to get the guy they want in this FA class who will see Tyson as a low-cost option. If we want to trade him (I doubt it, at least this summer), there will be options.
Qwigglez wrote:Mulhollanddrive wrote:Boston with Ainge and McDonough did a similar trade for Garnett and another for Allen. They were also over 30 at the time.
McD has hinted over the years that he would do something like that again if the opportunity arises
saintEscaton wrote:I think Noel still can become the next Larry Sanders in the right situation
Herald colleague Steve Bulpett first reported the Celtics’ discussions with Philadelphia about center Jhalil Okafor during February’s trade deadline, but the Sixers now have some lingering reservations.
Philly is nervous about the progress of Joel Embiid, who has been rehabbing his surgically repaired foot at a clinic in Qatar, and may not be ready for summer league competition. Philadelphia will have a problem using two post-oriented big men, both of whom won’t be happy unless they’re starting. But Embiid, with two surgeries on the same foot over the last two years, will require some insurance. That may make the process of prying Okafor away with the third pick a tougher process than initially thought.
Plus, Okafor is limited. He doesn’t have range, he’s a subpar player defensively, and as Milwaukee has discovered with Greg Monroe, traditional post-oriented big men in this league aren’t as smooth a fit as they once were. Witness Sullinger’s deteriorating role with the Celtics as their first-round series wore on against Atlanta.
This is mitigated by Philadelphia’s interest in Providence point guard Kris Dunn, who would solve so many of their backcourt issues in terms of playmaking, scoring and ball pressure. Dunn’s main weakness is shooting, but even the top two players in this draft have questions. How badly does the Sixers’ retooled front office want Dunn? General manager Bryan Colangelo and coach Brett Brown were said to be extremely impressed by Dunn during an interview at the draft combine in Chicago.
But if the Celtics are to pluck someone out of the Sixers’ overloaded frontcourt — don’t forget about Dario Saric — they may get that opportunity further down the draft order with some kind of package involving the 16th pick, and Nerlens Noel as the target. The Everett native is a terrific rim protector, but his offense remains limited to runs to the basket.
Kerrsed wrote:Herald colleague Steve Bulpett first reported the Celtics’ discussions with Philadelphia about center Jhalil Okafor during February’s trade deadline, but the Sixers now have some lingering reservations.
Philly is nervous about the progress of Joel Embiid, who has been rehabbing his surgically repaired foot at a clinic in Qatar, and may not be ready for summer league competition. Philadelphia will have a problem using two post-oriented big men, both of whom won’t be happy unless they’re starting. But Embiid, with two surgeries on the same foot over the last two years, will require some insurance. That may make the process of prying Okafor away with the third pick a tougher process than initially thought.
Plus, Okafor is limited. He doesn’t have range, he’s a subpar player defensively, and as Milwaukee has discovered with Greg Monroe, traditional post-oriented big men in this league aren’t as smooth a fit as they once were. Witness Sullinger’s deteriorating role with the Celtics as their first-round series wore on against Atlanta.
This is mitigated by Philadelphia’s interest in Providence point guard Kris Dunn, who would solve so many of their backcourt issues in terms of playmaking, scoring and ball pressure. Dunn’s main weakness is shooting, but even the top two players in this draft have questions. How badly does the Sixers’ retooled front office want Dunn? General manager Bryan Colangelo and coach Brett Brown were said to be extremely impressed by Dunn during an interview at the draft combine in Chicago.
But if the Celtics are to pluck someone out of the Sixers’ overloaded frontcourt — don’t forget about Dario Saric — they may get that opportunity further down the draft order with some kind of package involving the 16th pick, and Nerlens Noel as the target. The Everett native is a terrific rim protector, but his offense remains limited to runs to the basket.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/05/a_giant_jigsaw_puzzle_for_celtics
Cactus Jack wrote:That's a bit optimistic, don't ya think?
Knight & Chandler's contracts for Noel & Okafor. Philly won't move both. Embiids health is still a huge question mark going forward. That package won't get it done for Granger.
Kerrsed wrote:Knight/Chandler/#4 for Noel/Okafor
76ers: Murray/Knight/Covington/Simmons/Embiid
Suns: Bledsoe/Booker/?????/Noel/Okafor
Trade Len/Warren/#13/#26/#28 to Indy for Granger? Or maybe to some other team for a good starting SF?
Kerrsed wrote:Herald colleague Steve Bulpett first reported the Celtics’ discussions with Philadelphia about center Jhalil Okafor during February’s trade deadline, but the Sixers now have some lingering reservations.
Philly is nervous about the progress of Joel Embiid, who has been rehabbing his surgically repaired foot at a clinic in Qatar, and may not be ready for summer league competition. Philadelphia will have a problem using two post-oriented big men, both of whom won’t be happy unless they’re starting. But Embiid, with two surgeries on the same foot over the last two years, will require some insurance. That may make the process of prying Okafor away with the third pick a tougher process than initially thought.
Plus, Okafor is limited. He doesn’t have range, he’s a subpar player defensively, and as Milwaukee has discovered with Greg Monroe, traditional post-oriented big men in this league aren’t as smooth a fit as they once were. Witness Sullinger’s deteriorating role with the Celtics as their first-round series wore on against Atlanta.
This is mitigated by Philadelphia’s interest in Providence point guard Kris Dunn, who would solve so many of their backcourt issues in terms of playmaking, scoring and ball pressure. Dunn’s main weakness is shooting, but even the top two players in this draft have questions. How badly does the Sixers’ retooled front office want Dunn? General manager Bryan Colangelo and coach Brett Brown were said to be extremely impressed by Dunn during an interview at the draft combine in Chicago.
But if the Celtics are to pluck someone out of the Sixers’ overloaded frontcourt — don’t forget about Dario Saric — they may get that opportunity further down the draft order with some kind of package involving the 16th pick, and Nerlens Noel as the target. The Everett native is a terrific rim protector, but his offense remains limited to runs to the basket.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/05/a_giant_jigsaw_puzzle_for_celtics
Renegade_H wrote:On Philly.com Sixers Forum, a user with a "source" is claiming PHX and PHI are working a deal surrounding 4 and Noel. Obviously everyone has a source now or just trolling, but hypothetically, what extra pieces would each side have to hammer out to get this done?
Sixers will take contracts and we are looking for either Dunn or Murray at the 4 spot.
GoranTragic wrote:Philly wants Dunn? Are they going to pass on Ingram/Simmons? I see that they are holding onto Okafor as Embiid insurance. That makes sense.
Saric/Noel for the 16th pick? Talk about aiming low. We can give them the 13th pick/Tucker. Get in there McD
Kerrsed wrote:GoranTragic wrote:Philly wants Dunn? Are they going to pass on Ingram/Simmons? I see that they are holding onto Okafor as Embiid insurance. That makes sense.
Saric/Noel for the 16th pick? Talk about aiming low. We can give them the 13th pick/Tucker. Get in there McD.
No, what the article is trying to say is that the 76ers want to draft Simmons #1 and obtain the #3 (from Boston) to draft Dunn.
Bostons #16 pick was being floated about with exchanging that as well with Philly for Noel. So in total it would be something like #3/#16 for Saric/Noel.
saintEscaton wrote:That would be highway robbery, anybody who watches college ball knows that nobody in this weak draft is worth that asking price. Okafor would challenge to be be the #1 this year and that Lakers pick would convey in the Top 5 of a stacked 2017 class or go completley unprotected. Sorry McMulligan you don't get a do over
letsgosuns wrote:f I am the Suns and Dunn is available at four and the 76ers want him, I demand Okafor and the return of the top-3 Lakers protected pick. If that is too much (or not enough for the Suns), then so be it. No trade.
Kerrsed wrote:GoranTragic wrote:Philly wants Dunn? Are they going to pass on Ingram/Simmons? I see that they are holding onto Okafor as Embiid insurance. That makes sense.
Saric/Noel for the 16th pick? Talk about aiming low. We can give them the 13th pick/Tucker. Get in there McD.
No, what the article is trying to say is that the 76ers want to draft Simmons #1 and obtain the #3 (from Boston) to draft Dunn.
Bostons #16 pick was being floated about with exchanging that as well with Philly for Noel. So in total it would be something like #3/#16 for Saric/Noel.
saintEscaton wrote:Saric is coming of a 50/40/90 season in Euroleague is a sweet strokin point forward. Simmons might make him redundant but Philly desperately needs someone in their frontcourt who can space the floor
rsavaj wrote:letsgosuns wrote:f I am the Suns and Dunn is available at four and the 76ers want him, I demand Okafor and the return of the top-3 Lakers protected pick. If that is too much (or not enough for the Suns), then so be it. No trade.
I mean..you can demand it all you want, but that's not a remotely serious offer. McD would rightfully be laughed at and then hung up on.
letsgosuns wrote:rsavaj wrote:letsgosuns wrote:f I am the Suns and Dunn is available at four and the 76ers want him, I demand Okafor and the return of the top-3 Lakers protected pick. If that is too much (or not enough for the Suns), then so be it. No trade.
I mean..you can demand it all you want, but that's not a remotely serious offer. McD would rightfully be laughed at and then hung up on.
Then they do not get Dunn. The Suns are in the position of power here. They are the ones with the pick.
Plus that Lakers pick is top 3 protected next year. What happens if the Lakers pick Ingram, sign a couple of good free agents, and make the playoffs next year. Suddenly that pick is not even in the lottery anymore. What are the chances will continue to strike out on free agents every single year and never improve? It is still Los Angeles and now Kobe is gone. There is no face of the franchise and I am sure some free agent out there would love to take that title.
The 76ers have three centers. Do they really want to keep all three? And the only one with any real value is Okafor. He is legitimately their only trade chip. So I do not see how the offer I mentioned is not serious. The 76ers have barely anything to offer the Celtics or Suns besides Okafor and future draft picks.