Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

[dockingsched]

Also if offered I'd trade Randle for Embiid in a second.

[AcecardZ]

What if the sixers go off the res and pick neither Simmons or Ingram #1? We'll have like 15min to make the toughest decision this team has had to make in forever.

After working out and interviewing both Simmons and Ingram they'll know exactly which of the two players they covet the most and they'll know exactly which one they want to take should they both be available with the #2 pick.

(I'm assuming... Lol)

[AcecardZ]

Also if offered I'd trade Randle for Embiid in a second.

Is there enough information available about Embiid's health to suggest at this point he's ready to play?

Also, could you imagine Philly being crazy enough to pair Randle and Okafor? That would be a pretty soft front court defensively. They still have Noel though so who knows? Maybe it would work?

[dockingsched]

There's no way I think philly does it, just under the assumption that Embiids time table continues to be a return next year I think he still has value and more than Randle.

[AcecardZ]

Hate when people say a certain trade is a no brainer like someone just called #2 for Okafor. If it's such a no brained then why would the other team do it, which means why is there any discussions about it.

As far as the mentioned Okafor/1 for Randle/2 idea, obviously the lakers would have to add more if that was an actual trade being discussed, not the sixers. How is that even arguable?

People are pretty good at dreaming up trades that are great for their team but an abomination for the other. Trading poopoo platters for heaping portions of filet mignon.

Not that Randle is garbage by any stretch but suggesting we can trade him straight up for a player who is most certainly of greater value and at same time jumping a position from #2 to #1 is comical even if one values the #1 and #2 players in said draft identically.

In other freaking words Philly should be able to do better for Okafro than Julius "the nightly double double man" Randle!

[AcecardZ]

Randle could easily be a 15 points 12 rebounds per game guy next year. To put that into perspective those numbers would be considerably better than Serge Ibaka's numbers for this past season where he only averaged 12.5 points and 7.5 rebounds per game. Serge has been a beast in the playoffs though.

Serge had almost 2 blocks a game this past season where Randle only had .5 blocks per game. Huge difference obv.

What sort of value would such a player have in today's NBA?

[milesfides]

I would NOT TOUCH Embiid at all. Injuried his right foot twice, back-to-back years, SAME bone.

Foot injuries tend to be a career ender for big men, even young big men (Greg Oden).

Not worth the risk. Especially during Jim's make-or-break year. Jim Buss would never do that (and he loves Randle anyways).

Randle and Nance just need to shoot jumpers all summer. I think they'll have more value for a trade into the season, for a lot of reasons.

1) They show improvement, especially their shooting
2) Our record improves, raising everybody's values
3) Luke's style of play inflates stats, raising value
4) Fewer trades in the offseason (due to the rising cap, less incentive to trade)

If Randle is shooting threes at 33%+ and our record is .500+ by all star break, Randle's trade value would be much higher than it is right now.

[crazyeights]

I would NOT TOUCH Embiid at all. Injuried his right foot twice, back-to-back years, SAME bone.

Foot injuries tend to be a career ender for big men, even young big men (Greg Oden).

Not worth the risk. Especially during Jim's make-or-break year. Jim Buss would never do that (and he loves Randle anyways).

Randle and Nance just need to shoot jumpers all summer. I think they'll have more value for a trade into the season, for a lot of reasons.

1) They show improvement, especially their shooting
2) Our record improves, raising everybody's values
3) Luke's style of play inflates stats, raising value
4) Fewer trades in the offseason (due to the rising cap, less incentive to trade)

If Randle is shooting threes at 33%+ and our record is .500+ by all star break, Randle's trade value would be much higher than it is right now.

If Randle becomes that much more efficient over the course of one off-season, why wouldn't you hold onto him? Curious what the goal of trading him would be? (Obviously depends on if we draft a PF or an SF, but still.)

[milesfides]

Ingram wasn't measured at the draft combine, but I just don't believe the 6'8" barefoot listing, from last year, when he was 17 years old.

He looks at least 6'9" barefoot. Maybe closer to 6'10"

Simmons is a better athlete, but man, Ingram has that unique length and skills that maybe 3-4 other players in the league have.

Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, KAT territory. The game comes easy to these guys. I love how when Kevin Durant wants to, he can be just a nasty defender. He's blocking everything, pinning everything on the glass with such little effort. Everybody talks about Ibaka, but if Durant were a weak side defender, he'd be protecting the rim with ease.

What's funny is that Anthony Davis was pushed to be a frontcourt player, while Durant was allowed to be a wing.

In the past few years, that line has really been blurred.

It's an exciting time to be Brandon Ingram. Stay a wing and use that size at a competitive advantage.

Maybe gain 15-20 lbs as part of naturally getting stronger and more mature, but no more than that. Not for the sake of banging with bigs. I wonder if Anthony Davis' weight (up to 250 lbs) contributed to his injuries (knee). Kobe started getting knee problems too when he put on weight. Now, all the stars have been dropping weight.

[Duke4life831]

Ingram wasn't measured at the draft combine, but I just don't believe the 6'8" barefoot listing, from last year, when he was 17 years old.

He looks at least 6'9" barefoot. Maybe closer to 6'10"

Simmons is a better athlete, but man, Ingram has that unique length and skills that maybe 3-4 other players in the league have.

Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, KAT territory. The game comes easy to these guys. I love how when Kevin Durant wants to, he can be just a nasty defender. He's blocking everything, pinning everything on the glass with such little effort. Everybody talks about Ibaka, but if Durant were a weak side defender, he'd be protecting the rim with ease.

What's funny is that Anthony Davis was pushed to be a frontcourt player, while Durant was allowed to be a wing.

In the past few years, that line has really been blurred.

It's an exciting time to be Brandon Ingram. Stay a wing and use that size at a competitive advantage.

Maybe gain 15-20 lbs as part of naturally getting stronger and more mature, but no more than that. Not for the sake of banging with bigs. I wonder if Anthony Davis' weight (up to 250 lbs) contributed to his injuries (knee). Kobe started getting knee problems too when he put on weight. Now, all the stars have been dropping weight.

Reports from Duke is that Ingram is still growing. Wont be surprised if he ends up 6'10.5 or 6'11" in shoes when hes all done growing. Seems to be growing similar to Giannis. Now whoever drafts him just has to hope he can put on muscle like Giannis

[gts1]

I'd suggest you guys pack up the beach umbrellas a little early next year and see for yourselves the immense talent of Okafor.

Sixers games start at 4 PM P.S.T.

Okafor foir the #2 is an absolute no brainer for Kupchak.

Kupchak realizes he blew it last year by passing over Okafor and my guess is if the Sixers put that deal(#2 for Okafor) on the table he culdnt say Yes fast enough.

Okafor stats in 2018 will be 28 pts 10 boards. As a rookie he was immediately double teamed, as the Sixers talent and game improves he will be an unstoppable offensive force.

Looks like you're an expert at packing up the umbrellas early. Your picnic is obviously missing a couple sandwiches.


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[Slava]

Players add muscle as they age and enter proper adulthood, that much is not worth doubting. Professional strength and training regimens along with a good diet always changes them physically for the better.

[Karmaloop]

As far as the mentioned Okafor/1 for Randle/2 idea, obviously the lakers would have to add more if that was an actual trade being discussed, not the sixers. How is that even arguable?

I think it was based more on the concept that Randle fits what Luke Walton wants to do offensively, Okafor doesn't. For that reason alone, I'd prefer Randle to Okafor even though I know that Okafor is better than Randle. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you're talent doesn't fit than you're not going to be good.

[milesfides]

If Randle becomes that much more efficient over the course of one off-season, why wouldn't you hold onto him? Curious what the goal of trading him would be? (Obviously depends on if we draft a PF or an SF, but still.)

Exactly that - a better fit, or perhaps a proven veteran, or as part of a blockbuster trade.

Or, sure, hold on to him, because he might be great for us. But it's good to have options. And that only happens if he plays better, if we as a team play better.

You need value to get back value.

One thing that's still in the back of my head is Nance. Aside from Randle's rebounding, Nance does so many things that help a team win a game. That doesn't make Randle expendable, but it also gives us positional flexibility, if Randle can net us an talent-equivalent dynamic shooting guard.

[rzzzzz]

I would NOT TOUCH Embiid at all. Injuried his right foot twice, back-to-back years, SAME bone.

no. Embiid came back from the first surgery pain free, but the navicular did not heal as robustly as hoped. normal person they wouldn't have touched it. but 7'2", Hinkie decided to err on the side of caution and go for the bone graft and maybe some growth promoting protein. when they opened him up, they found the bone was in better shape than they thought with no necrosis (good blood supply). latest scan is everything they were hoping. if he breaks that bone again, THAT would be the 2nd time.

[The Prodigy]

To me, Ingram's weight is a non issue. Most players who come into the NBA that young need to put on muscle and they always do. I'd bet he gets to 220 lbs pretty soon.

[Karmaloop]

To me, Ingram's weight is a non issue. Most players who come into the NBA that young need to put on muscle and they always do. I'd bet he gets to 220 lbs pretty soon.

Considering recent reports has him around 197, I'd say that's probably a pretty safe bet. I mean, he's probably never going to be big, but that's not really what you want. I don't want him bulking up, especially if it affects his ability to get by defenders off the dribble.

[crazyeights]

Look at Durant and Curry. It's basketball. Guys don't need to be huge. They need to be fast, but durable.

[Mirjalovic]

Randle is a top 5 apg for PF last season.

When Ben Simmons trying to be point forward, everyone go crazy, but when its Randle, they say "Stop it !"

i don't want Randle be superstar in another city. That just sad when we are busy talking about Simmons/Ingram and Russell, we forget about a diamond in rough that can give you great benefit when you polished him properly.

[ArC_man]

Ingram is more intriguing as a bizarro Durant / A.Davis hybrid. A lot of his scouted weaknesses are based on lack of strength (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8z2k9RMU58), something that just about every college player solves by his sophomore season in the league.

Simmons' weaknesses look bust-worthy. Players who have difficulty staying mentally strong in college usually get destroyed in the NBA. I also don't see the "superior" physical tools people cite, he looks league-average for a 3/4 hybrid.

Ingram is nothing like Davis, he's not even close to the defensive presence A.Davis was anchoring Kentucky's defense.