The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[carey]

I'd absolutely consider trading some of our assets for Saric if he were on the table. He has legit game.

[rsavaj]

Im still trying to come up with our "Big 3" trade (ala' Celtics).

The two guys that i want are also currently being talked about as possibly being available. My question is how do we keep Bledsoe & Booker while obtaining Butler AND Cousins? To get those 2, i would put everything and everyone (Besides B&B) on the table.

I would cream my little panties to see a Suns line-up with Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/ANYONE/Cousins.

not sure if it's possible...seems like we'd use most of our assets just to trade for one of those guys

Butler is the better bet. I can't see SAC dealing Cousins within the division.

[Kerrsed]

Im still trying to come up with our "Big 3" trade (ala' Celtics).

The two guys that i want are also currently being talked about as possibly being available. My question is how do we keep Bledsoe & Booker while obtaining Butler AND Cousins? To get those 2, i would put everything and everyone (Besides B&B) on the table.

I would cream my little panties to see a Suns line-up with Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/ANYONE/Cousins.

not sure if it's possible...seems like we'd use most of our assets just to trade for one of those guys

Butler is the better bet. I can't see SAC dealing Cousins within the division.

What Is Jimmy Butler’s Trade Value?

Figuring out what Butler is worth is a difficult proposition for the Bulls. His worth will determine what the Bulls can get in return. Butler is not an elite player of the LeBron James and Stephen Curry mold, though he is a difference-maker on offense and defense. If his offensive abilities catch up to his defense, he will reach the status of a first-tier NBA star.

As it currently stands, Jimmy Butler is in the second-tier group among James Harden, Draymond Green, and John Wall.

The difference in being a top-tier star and a second-tier star is that the top-tier star is usually not available for a trade. The second-tier star can be had for some measly draft picks and players who have the potential to be all-stars at some point in their tenure with the team that brings them aboard.

Given this formula, Jimmy Butler is worth two draft picks, one lower lottery and one non-lottery selection to the Bulls. Those picks must come with an up and coming talent who could be plugged in as a starter at some juncture.

There will be some resistance to what Butler’s trade value is to the Bulls. Consider Klay Thompson as the perfect comparison to Jimmy Butler. Thompson is a better offensive player, while Butler is a better defender. Depending on what a team’s preference is, they provide something which is regarded as a premium. Neither of them have noticeable flaws. Butler’s offense is as good as Thompson’s defense. They are mirror images, in a sense. And the Chicago Bulls must consider Klay Thompson while entertaining any offers for Jimmy Butler.

If any team were to offer the Golden State Warriors anything less than two draft picks and a player of significance, they would get laughed at. It must be the same case for the Bulls with Jimmy Butler. Simply put, a team has to offer the Bulls a lot for him.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3119782/chicago-bulls-rumors-bulls-to-trade-jimmy-butler-to-minnesota/#6vemJqFlwYVtBj0m.99

I like this formula. That means we could keep the #4 and trade the #13 along with the #28 and a few players like Knight/Warren.

As for Cousins, im sure we could swing something based around #4/Len.

[TeamTragic]

Im still trying to come up with our "Big 3" trade (ala' Celtics).

The two guys that i want are also currently being talked about as possibly being available. My question is how do we keep Bledsoe & Booker while obtaining Butler AND Cousins? To get those 2, i would put everything and everyone (Besides B&B) on the table.

I would cream my little panties to see a Suns line-up with Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/ANYONE/Cousins.

not sure if it's possible...seems like we'd use most of our assets just to trade for one of those guys

Butler is the better bet. I can't see SAC dealing Cousins within the division.

What Is Jimmy Butler’s Trade Value?

Figuring out what Butler is worth is a difficult proposition for the Bulls. His worth will determine what the Bulls can get in return. Butler is not an elite player of the LeBron James and Stephen Curry mold, though he is a difference-maker on offense and defense. If his offensive abilities catch up to his defense, he will reach the status of a first-tier NBA star.

As it currently stands, Jimmy Butler is in the second-tier group among James Harden, Draymond Green, and John Wall.

The difference in being a top-tier star and a second-tier star is that the top-tier star is usually not available for a trade. The second-tier star can be had for some measly draft picks and players who have the potential to be all-stars at some point in their tenure with the team that brings them aboard.

Given this formula, Jimmy Butler is worth two draft picks, one lower lottery and one non-lottery selection to the Bulls. Those picks must come with an up and coming talent who could be plugged in as a starter at some juncture.

There will be some resistance to what Butler’s trade value is to the Bulls. Consider Klay Thompson as the perfect comparison to Jimmy Butler. Thompson is a better offensive player, while Butler is a better defender. Depending on what a team’s preference is, they provide something which is regarded as a premium. Neither of them have noticeable flaws. Butler’s offense is as good as Thompson’s defense. They are mirror images, in a sense. And the Chicago Bulls must consider Klay Thompson while entertaining any offers for Jimmy Butler.

If any team were to offer the Golden State Warriors anything less than two draft picks and a player of significance, they would get laughed at. It must be the same case for the Bulls with Jimmy Butler. Simply put, a team has to offer the Bulls a lot for him.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3119782/chicago-bulls-rumors-bulls-to-trade-jimmy-butler-to-minnesota/#6vemJqFlwYVtBj0m.99

I like this formula. That means we could keep the #4 and trade the #13 along with the #28 and a few players like Knight/Warren.

As for Cousins, im sure we could swing something based around #4/Len.

The above link states that Bulls are not trading Butler unless they get a rebuild package:

Len
Knight
Goodwin
2016 Phoenix 1st (#28)
2018 Phoenix 1st (Top 10 protected)

Thoughts?

[letsgosuns]

That is exactly what I have been saying about Butler. He is not Curry, Lebron, or Durant. You do not trade your entire team for him. The most sensible trade for him is two picks and Knight. Historically, that is the type of return teams get in exchange for a player like Butler. I think it would take the 4th pick and 28th pick though, not the 13th and the 28th.

[saintEscaton]

LGS's package is fair value for Butler. But lets put the baseless speculation about Boogie to bed, he will require a Godfather offer for Vivek to even consider, it has to include either both Miami picks or Booker for starters. WCS is already outplaying Len, I see no interest there maybe tack on on TJ as a Gay replacement

[RaisingArizona]

That's a bit optimistic, don't ya think?
Knight & Chandler's contracts for Noel & Okafor. Philly won't move both. Embiids health is still a huge question mark going forward. That package won't get it done for Granger.

Knight/Chandler/#4 for Noel/Okafor

76ers: Murray/Knight/Covington/Simmons/Embiid
Suns: Bledsoe/Booker/?????/Noel/Okafor

Trade Len/Warren/#13/#26/#28 to Indy for Granger? Or maybe to some other team for a good starting SF?

Granger? Did we go back in time?

[saintEscaton]

That's a bit optimistic, don't ya think?
Knight & Chandler's contracts for Noel & Okafor. Philly won't move both. Embiids health is still a huge question mark going forward. That package won't get it done for Granger.

Knight/Chandler/#4 for Noel/Okafor

76ers: Murray/Knight/Covington/Simmons/Embiid
Suns: Bledsoe/Booker/?????/Noel/Okafor

Trade Len/Warren/#13/#26/#28 to Indy for Granger? Or maybe to some other team for a good starting SF?

Granger? Did we go back in time?

Our med staff be like

[Kerrsed]

Yeah yeah.... the talk was about Paul George and the Cactus man mistakenly wrote Granger, which in turn caused me too as well.

[thamadkant]

Draft night trade

*Assuming Jamal Murray is on the board
Suns Pick 4 + Booker
For
Paul George



3-Way trade
Jazz, Suns, Bulls
Suns
IN: Pick 12, Lyles
OUT: Knight, Pick 28
Jazz
IN: Knight, Pick 28
OUT: Pick 12, Lyles
Bulls
IN: Pick 12, Pick 13, Len
OUT: Butler



Suns
C: Chandler
PF: Lyles
SF: George
SG: Butler
PG: Bledsoe

[Cactus Jack]

Yeah yeah.... the talk was about Paul George and the Cactus man mistakenly wrote Granger, which in turn caused me too as well.

Granger danger

[letsgosuns]

I would not even trade Booker straight up for George. I only consider trading Booker for Curry, Lebron, or Durant. That is it. Booker is 19. George is 26. Booker did multiple things this past year on par with what only Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and Carmelo ever did as teenagers. Does that mean Booker will be as good as those guys? No. But I sure would like to see him try in a Suns uniform.

[saintEscaton]

Draft night trade

*Assuming Jamal Murray is on the board
Suns Pick 4 + Booker
For
Paul George



3-Way trade
Jazz, Suns, Bulls
Suns
IN: Pick 12, Lyles
OUT: Knight, Pick 28
Jazz
IN: Knight, Pick 28
OUT: Pick 12, Lyles
Bulls
IN: Pick 12, Pick 13, Len
OUT: Butler



Suns
C: Chandler
PF: Lyles
SF: George
SG: Butler
PG: Bledsoe

So Jazz.Bulls willingly get bent over for our benefit? Okay

[AtheJ415]

This. I do not understand the fascination with Parker. He has skills but is ineffective thus far, and has shown absolutely nothing at the NBA level to warrant the "future franchise cornerstone" label that many give him. It's just like people claiming Mirotic is an elite shooter.

It's mostly just the early hype that people assume he is good. He scores decently, but he didn't even shoot a 3, doesn't get steals or blocks or many rebounds, though he is a decent passer. If he plays PF, he lacks rebounding....and I don't think he is quick enough to play the 3 effectively either.

Some of you TJ lovers discredit Jabari as a lazy out of shape tweener when he has actually defied his scouting report he is much more explosive and bouncier than advertised. He was Meloesque in college but his NBA game is predicated on slashing and throwing down as his midrange jumper has yet to surface. He was the early frotunrunner for ROY before going down and his recovery has been ahead of schedule but only partial, don't write him off just yet. Jabari averaged 18.9 points, 6.1 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 1.1 steals on 49.8 percent shooting the 28 games after the All-Star break

And yet, I'd still rather have TJ. He's not a tweener and has added a legitimate 3 ball.

[thamadkant]

I would not even trade Booker straight up for George. I only consider trading Booker for Curry, Lebron, or Durant. That is it. Booker is 19. George is 26. Booker did multiple things this past year on par with what only Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and Carmelo ever did as teenagers. Does that mean Booker will be as good as those guys? No. But I sure would like to see him try in a Suns uniform.

yeah, but thats you.

in other forums, other fans sees that and laugh at the offer of just Booker.


McD is a business man afterall, if he thinks Paul George as an MVP candidate NOW and will help Suns win 50+ games SOON, as in during his tenure before he gets fired... he'll do it.

[bwgood77]

It's mostly just the early hype that people assume he is good. He scores decently, but he didn't even shoot a 3, doesn't get steals or blocks or many rebounds, though he is a decent passer. If he plays PF, he lacks rebounding....and I don't think he is quick enough to play the 3 effectively either.

Some of you TJ lovers discredit Jabari as a lazy out of shape tweener when he has actually defied his scouting report he is much more explosive and bouncier than advertised. He was Meloesque in college but his NBA game is predicated on slashing and throwing down as his midrange jumper has yet to surface. He was the early frotunrunner for ROY before going down and his recovery has been ahead of schedule but only partial, don't write him off just yet. Jabari averaged 18.9 points, 6.1 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 1.1 steals on 49.8 percent shooting the 28 games after the All-Star break

And yet, I'd still rather have TJ. He's not a tweener and has added a legitimate 3 ball.

Yeah, I would too. He didn't get nearly the playing time of Parker this season so it's tough to compare on raw stats, but the three ball is increasingly important and we all know his money is the short range and offensive rebounding and putback ability....so his versatility offensively is great. I don't think either have much for defense yet.

[bwgood77]

I would not even trade Booker straight up for George. I only consider trading Booker for Curry, Lebron, or Durant. That is it. Booker is 19. George is 26. Booker did multiple things this past year on par with what only Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and Carmelo ever did as teenagers. Does that mean Booker will be as good as those guys? No. But I sure would like to see him try in a Suns uniform.

yeah, but thats you.

in other forums, other fans sees that and laugh at the offer of just Booker.


McD is a business man afterall, if he thinks Paul George as an MVP candidate NOW and will help Suns win 50+ games SOON, as in during his tenure before he gets fired... he'll do it.

Well, I don't think McD will do it, because that deal will never be on the table from the Pacers, and I don't think they are trading him for any guy other than the guys letsgo mentioned and a few others.

But at the same time, I also would find it very fulfilling to watch a guy we drafted turn into a star and grow up his entire career in front of us...like letsgo said, maybe he won't, but you see Spurs fans attachment to Duncan or Lakers with Kobe and that attachment is far greater than a star you traded for (like say, Boston's attachment to KG).....I'm sure Indy fans feel the same way about George, Spurs fans feel the same way about Leonard, TWolves fans about Towns, and Pelicans fans about Davis....though I think it might even be more special with guys like George and Leonard (and Booker if he gets on that course) having been drafted in the teens and stardom wasn't expected.

[bwgood77]

Draft night trade

*Assuming Jamal Murray is on the board
Suns Pick 4 + Booker
For
Paul George



3-Way trade
Jazz, Suns, Bulls
Suns
IN: Pick 12, Lyles
OUT: Knight, Pick 28
Jazz
IN: Knight, Pick 28
OUT: Pick 12, Lyles
Bulls
IN: Pick 12, Pick 13, Len
OUT: Butler



Suns
C: Chandler
PF: Lyles
SF: George
SG: Butler
PG: Bledsoe

So Jazz.Bulls willingly get bent over for our benefit? Okay

Nice Christina Hendricks gif...you're not a mad men fan are you?

[Cactus Jack]

I would not even trade Booker straight up for George. I only consider trading Booker for Curry, Lebron, or Durant. That is it. Booker is 19. George is 26. Booker did multiple things this past year on par with what only Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and Carmelo ever did as teenagers. Does that mean Booker will be as good as those guys? No. But I sure would like to see him try in a Suns uniform.

Not even for a player like Anthony Davis? Anthony Towns? The #1 pick, etc.? I love Booker too. But, man.

[lilfishi22]

I would not even trade Booker straight up for George. I only consider trading Booker for Curry, Lebron, or Durant. That is it. Booker is 19. George is 26. Booker did multiple things this past year on par with what only Kobe, Lebron, Durant, and Carmelo ever did as teenagers. Does that mean Booker will be as good as those guys? No. But I sure would like to see him try in a Suns uniform.

I'm a fan of Booker and what he's done is special but he shouldn't be put in the same sentence as Kobe, Lebron, Durant or even Melo at this point.