Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max II

[RexBoyWonder]

If we do lose Deng (and that's nothing to hope for), we'll be looking at guys like Mirza Teletovic, Marvin Williams, Jared Dudley, Wesley Johnson, Darrell Arthur.

And I kid you not when I say we might not be able to afford some of THESE guys with our cap situation and teams overpaying like crazy due to cap rise.

Edit : last name I found and might be surprising but I think is very interesting - Meyers Leonard.

The kid is actually a great shooter. Not much of defender if you ask him to anchor your defense, but if we slide him to PF next to Whiteside, they might actually work well together. While he's a 7 footer, Myles is very good 3 point shooter, and mobile enough to defend PF's. His market value might be kinda low, I'm not sure teams view him a starter.

Join the Leuer camp Wonderboy

Some defense, can run the floor, rebound, shot a little. Join the team

I refuse.

Spoiler:

And there's no "Leuer camp", there's one guy in it.

[Chalm Down]

If we do lose Deng (and that's nothing to hope for), we'll be looking at guys like Mirza Teletovic, Marvin Williams, Jared Dudley, Wesley Johnson, Darrell Arthur.

And I kid you not when I say we might not be able to afford some of THESE guys with our cap situation and teams overpaying like crazy due to cap rise.

Edit : last name I found and might be surprising but I think is very interesting - Meyers Leonard.

The kid is actually a great shooter. Not much of defender if you ask him to anchor your defense, but if we slide him to PF next to Whiteside, they might actually work well together. While he's a 7 footer, Myles is very good 3 point shooter, and mobile enough to defend PF's. His market value might be kinda low, I'm not sure teams view him a starter.

Join the Leuer camp Wonderboy

Some defense, can run the floor, rebound, shot a little. Join the team

I refuse.

Spoiler:

And there's no "Leuer camp", there's one guy in it.

I don't know who Leuer is, but I'll be in his camp. I've always wanted to be in a camp

Let's Leuer.

[RexBoyWonder]

puck you chalm

PS - your replying sucks lately

[Chalm Down]

puck you chalm

PS - your replying sucks lately

I just wanted to go camping...

[Rich2Hassan]

Congrats Hassan on being named to the NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM!

[Chalm Down]

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[IggieCC]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BenoUdrih1/status/735568071138512896[/tweet]

Hidden agenda

[Chalm Down]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BenoUdrih1/status/735568071138512896[/tweet]

Hidden agenda

Uncle could be plotting to murder me and I wouldn't even care I love him

[IggieCC]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BenoUdrih1/status/735568071138512896[/tweet]

Hidden agenda

Uncle could be plotting to murder me and I wouldn't even care I love him

Hope he signs with the 76ers Chalms Mentor those young players will do wonders

[Chalm Down]

Hidden agenda

Uncle could be plotting to murder me and I wouldn't even care I love him

Hope he signs with the 76ers Chalms Mentor those young players will do wonders

[QUIZ]

Not bad that he got 2nd team all defense. He would've been first team of it wasn't for some of the inconsistency he showed at points throughout the season.

Next year.

[Hoops23]

I thought Hassan should be with the 1st all-defensive team!!!!

[DayofMourning]

Guess who got the most votes between Dwyane Wade and Justise Winslow?

[TroubleS0me]

Guess who got the most votes between Dwyane Wade and Justise Winslow?

ikr
it just goes to show you who watches the game & who doesnt, Winslow should gotten some votes

[Bishop45]

Guess who got the most votes between Dwyane Wade and Justise Winslow?

Damn, I thought you were playing about him getting defensive votes

Maybe it was influenced by the Playoffs, a little.

Eh doesn't matter

[Chalm Down]

I thought Wade was snubbed for a couple first defensive team selections in the late 2000's.

Idk why he got a vote this year though lol.

[DayofMourning]

Realgm should start awarding these honors. Give this site some credit it deserves for having some great basketball minds. It would do a much better job.

[eagereyez]

As I posted before, these salaries work:

Whiteside: 4/89,000,000
Wade: 3/40,856,993
Deng: 3/31,927,150
Sign Joe for the Room Exception: $2.898 million

One question that comes up is why would Whiteside play for a starting salary of $20,000,000 (which is 4/89) rather than $21,564,143 to which he is entitled. That's where "jock tax" comes into play. Jock tax is essentially the state tax paid when you earn money by performing in a state. For example, California has a 13.3% state tax rather than Florida's 0% state tax. If Hassan spent 100% of his 170 NBA working days in California (Lakers for example), his $21,564,143 would become $18,696,112, which is significantly less than the $20,000,000 the Heat could pay. On the other hand, Jock Tax is not that simple. Some states charge athletes from other states when they perform in their state, so $20,000,000 is *never* $20,000,000. For at least 8 games a year (or 8/170 of their salary), Heat players must pay California taxes.

California: 13.3% (Clippers, Warriors, Kings, Lakers)
Oregon: 9.9% (Portland Trailblazers)
Minnesota: 9.85% (Timberwolves)
DC: 8.95% (Wizards)
New York: 8.82% (Knicks, Nets)
Wisconsin: 7.65% (Bucks)
Louisiana: 6% (Pelicans)
Georgia: 6% (Hawks)
North Carolina: 5.75% (Hornets)
Ohio: 5.39% (Cavaliers)
Oklahoma: 5.25% (Thunder)
Massachusetts: 5.15% (Celtics)
Utah: 5% (Utah Jazz)
Colorado: 4.63 (Denver Nuggets)
Arizona: 4.54% (Phoenix Suns)
Michigan: 4.25% (Pistons)
Illinois: 3.75% (Bulls)
Indiana: 3.3% (Pacers)
Pennsylvania: 3.07% (76ers)

Florida: Heat, Magic
Texas: Spurs, Mavericks, Rockets
Tennessee: Grizzlies

Raptors: Canadian tax

I could see Hassan taking that kind of deal to help Miami with a player opt-out after year 2 IF he really wants to stay. He will get a bigger offer somewhere else for sure so Miami's biggest sale pitch is the 7.5% yearly raises. Dallas and Houston (two likely Hassan bidders) can use the "State Tax" card as well.

At the end, we are talking about Wade accepting a $13 a year deal (average) to make this work. Will he do that after the season he just had? Does Miami even attempts to bring that up to him? Would a 4th year make it more acceptable since it would take him into his 38th birthday?

You may be able to get away with a 3 year deal because of Wade's play, but a fourth year will surely invoke the over 36 rule:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

The last year(s) would be spread over the "productive" years for cap consideration.

Dallas is rumored to be looking seriously at Dwight Howard (using Parsons to recruit him). Rockets are a bigger problem, but Miami is a much more appealing city, imnsho.

For what it's worth, I think Wade's salary is the hardest component. My calculation for 3/40.9 works out to this:

$12,668,835
$13,618,998
$14,569,160

The trouble of course is that those numbers should be inverted. Just as 12.7M is very low for Wade now, 14.6M will be high for him in 3 years.

Will Wade really accept $13 mil a year? I thought he left a ton of money on the table to help the team out, and offering him $13 mil after the season he just had seems like a slap in the face.

[yungsin1]

Well, for one, Jared Dudley is a free agent this summer. He made around $4 mil last season. He is a good 3&D guy at half of Deng's price. Dudley is a career 40% 3pt shooter, much better than Deng's pitiful 33%.

I'll give Dudley the 3 but the D? He is nowhere near the defender Deng is, or rebounder for that matter. Deng might not be a prolific 3pt shooter but can hit it well from the corners plus his slashing and BBIQ is above average. There is a reason why Dudley only gets $4mil and Deng gets $10mil.

I don't get why the urgency to get rid of Deng when he has proven over his career to be an integral glue guy. Look at the numbers when he was on the court during the playoffs vs when he wasn't. You want Dudley, great but not at the expense of Deng. You want to upgrade from Deng, I can respect that also but a player like "Dudley" is not an upgrade.

I can see Deng giving a team a couple more good seasons. Perfectly timed to allow Winslow to become a more complete player.

Well, Dudley was asked to always guard the opposing team's best perimeter player in their system. I'm sure he would benefit playing in Spo's superior defensive system. And if we spend $5 mil on Dudley, we have another $5 mil to spend on another player. I want to break Deng's salary into two garbagemen who will do the dirty work for Wade and Dragic. Deng isn't doing it well enough, and to be honest his 3pt shooting is unacceptable.

What about Evan Fournier of the Magic? Made like $3 mil last year. Obviously that salary will go up, but I think he'd STILL be cheaper than Deng and he's like 22 years old, and a good 3&D guy.

You really don't watch Dudley play at all lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[RexBoyWonder]

Realgm should start awarding these honors. Give this site some credit it deserves for having some great basketball minds. It would do a much better job.

Biyombo would win DPOY, MVP, MIP, best dresser, best actor, with only TeleLowry challenging for best body award.