"How has Ryan McDonough fared in the NBA Draft?" A comparison

[saintEscaton]

actually, although Alex hasn't performed as well as Gobert, i wouldn't even take Gobert over Len. Len has way more potential. we're at Gobert's ceiling, and the same goes for Dieng. maybe not so much with Noel, Plumlee, and Adams, but i'll be very surprised if Noel or Plumlee are ever All-Stars, and 5x more surprised if Adams ever makes the team.

the learning curve for centers is the largest in the league. DeAndre Jordan wasn't DeAndre Jordan for six years. we have to give Alex more time. not everybody is Shaq or Moses, but Vlade Divac? i could see that

RIght now Len is a rich man's Jake Tsakalidis at best, its safe to that none of those bigs are finished products so I'm curious what makes you think Len will go from behind the eight ball to head of the pack. Such prophecy is nothing but wishful thinking

[8on]

actually, although Alex hasn't performed as well as Gobert, i wouldn't even take Gobert over Len. Len has way more potential. we're at Gobert's ceiling, and the same goes for Dieng. maybe not so much with Noel, Plumlee, and Adams, but i'll be very surprised if Noel or Plumlee are ever All-Stars, and 5x more surprised if Adams ever makes the team.

the learning curve for centers is the largest in the league. DeAndre Jordan wasn't DeAndre Jordan for six years. we have to give Alex more time. not everybody is Shaq or Moses, but Vlade Divac? i could see that

RIght now Len is a rich man's Jake" Tsakalidis at best, its safe to that none of those bigs are finished productsso I'm curious what makes you think Len will go from behind the eight ball to head of the pack. Such prophecy is nothing but wishful thinking

All the things we saw in the draft. He's mobile. He's huge. He has a light touch around the basket.

See, Len is attempting midrange jumpers. He's attempting to build a back to the basket game. Plumlee and the other guys only need one move: finish around the basket. They're all Brandan Wright to their respective teams.

Len is a lot more ambitious than that. How many bigs are trying to make that happen? Nobody. The last guys were DeMarcus Cousins and Brook Lopez. It'll take time. It took time for Bynum to do that, it took time for Boogie, and it'll take longer for Len, who was definitely a project when we took him.

I'm not saying he's the next Brook, Bynum, Alonzo or Willis Reed, but every one of those guys needed time to become effective high volume scorers. I don't know why Len should have a faster timeline than they did.

[Cactus Jack]

actually, although Alex hasn't performed as well as Gobert, i wouldn't even take Gobert over Len. Len has way more potential. we're at Gobert's ceiling

Len is 22. Gobert is 23. They're practically the same age. How is he at his ceiling?

[bwgood77]

Adams has been looking great and Dieng and especially Gobert have been impressive. They have all been better than Len so far. That being said, I don't know if OKC, Minnesota, or Utah (with the Nuggets pick) who took those guys at 12, 21 and 27, respectively would have taken those guys at #5. I also am not sure what our med team said about Noel's knees (rumors were they flagged them).

As for those other teams likely not taking Adams, Dieng or Gobert at #5, I don't know if that makes it a valid excuse, because most guys somewhat fall within a pretty good range of the consensus boards we see, and barely any players taken in the top 9 have been very good. Picks 12-17 were probably better as a whole, though the only center taken in there is Noquiera, and I don't know much about him or what he's done.

Would have rather had Crabbe than Goodwin at 28. Loved Crabbe's play in college.

Interesting that OKC got Adams and Roberson at 12 and 26 in that draft and they are they are both playing really well and starting in the WCF.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I liked the Len pick alot, I thought he had star factor and saw why he was picked.

7'1 elite speciman, two way player, signs of a jump shot, good FT% for a C, undeveloped skillset, good character.

Sometimes you can't predict the future though, but making the 'right pick' regardless of outcome should payoff in the long run.

IE. If we selected McLemore and knew he didn't have it mentality, that's a bad mistake on known information. I can live with making the right choice but it not working out. Kendall Marshall is an example of that to me, one of the best passers in college history you can get at pick 13, but it just didn't work out.

[8on]

actually, although Alex hasn't performed as well as Gobert, i wouldn't even take Gobert over Len. Len has way more potential. we're at Gobert's ceiling

Len is 22. Gobert is 23. They're practically the same age. How is he at his ceiling?

Gobert is slow, he's flat footed, he's too big. I don't know if he can develop an active offensive presence in the post. Len can.....it's clear. He can become "that guy" in the post. I've seen no evidence of that from Gobert, and what I've seen would suggest that he's more of a Tyson/DeAndre type. Throw the ball in for an easy bucket. Len can be a lot more than that. That's why we picked him: because he has THAT potential.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If Len was to play exactly like Gobert, he'd pretty much put up the same numbers. At the moment Per 36:

Gobert - 10 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocks
Len - 13 points, 11 rebounds, 1 block

The big difference is in efficiency, Len takes 5 extra shots @ 31% FG outside 3 feet to get 3 extra points. If he stopped doing that, he'd be basically Gobert, but we're seeing whether expanding his game will develop something long term.

[saintEscaton]

actually, although Alex hasn't performed as well as Gobert, i wouldn't even take Gobert over Len. Len has way more potential. we're at Gobert's ceiling

Len is 22. Gobert is 23. They're practically the same age. How is he at his ceiling?

Gobert is slow, he's flat footed, he's too big. I don't know if he can develop an active offensive presence in the post. Len can.....it's clear. He can become "that guy" in the post. I've seen no evidence of that from Gobert, and what I've seen would suggest that he's more of a Tyson/DeAndre type. Throw the ball in for an easy bucket. Len can be a lot more than that. That's why we picked him: because he has THAT potential.

Wut are we watching the same guy or did you accidentally confuse him for DMo? there are 18 year olds in the Adriatric league with more refined post repertoires than Len who has yet to even incorporate basic counters or dropsteps. His go to move is an up and under and a running hook that looks more like a splaying one handed jumper which often gets him called for a travel.

[8on]

Len is 22. Gobert is 23. They're practically the same age. How is he at his ceiling?

Gobert is slow, he's flat footed, he's too big. I don't know if he can develop an active offensive presence in the post. Len can.....it's clear. He can become "that guy" in the post. I've seen no evidence of that from Gobert, and what I've seen would suggest that he's more of a Tyson/DeAndre type. Throw the ball in for an easy bucket. Len can be a lot more than that. That's why we picked him: because he has THAT potential.

Wut are we watching the same guy or did you accidentally confuse him for DMo? there are 18 year olds in the Adriatric league with more refined post repertoires than Len who has yet to even incorporated basic counters or dropsteps. His go to move is an up and under and a running hook that looks more like a splaying one handed jumper which often gets him called for a travel.

18 year olds with his size and height? Show me.

[saintEscaton]

Gobert is slow, he's flat footed, he's too big. I don't know if he can develop an active offensive presence in the post. Len can.....it's clear. He can become "that guy" in the post. I've seen no evidence of that from Gobert, and what I've seen would suggest that he's more of a Tyson/DeAndre type. Throw the ball in for an easy bucket. Len can be a lot more than that. That's why we picked him: because he has THAT potential.

Wut are we watching the same guy or did you accidentally confuse him for DMo? there are 18 year olds in the Adriatric league with more refined post repertoires than Len who has yet to even incorporated basic counters or dropsteps. His go to move is an up and under and a running hook that looks more like a splaying one handed jumper which often gets him called for a travel.

18 year olds with his size and height? Show me.

Look up Ivica Zubac who just turned 19, both 7'1 with same wingspans

[rsavaj]

actually, although Alex hasn't performed as well as Gobert, i wouldn't even take Gobert over Len. Len has way more potential. we're at Gobert's ceiling, and the same goes for Dieng. maybe not so much with Noel, Plumlee, and Adams, but i'll be very surprised if Noel or Plumlee are ever All-Stars, and 5x more surprised if Adams ever makes the team.

the learning curve for centers is the largest in the league. DeAndre Jordan wasn't DeAndre Jordan for six years. we have to give Alex more time. not everybody is Shaq or Moses, but Vlade Divac? i could see that

RIght now Len is a rich man's Jake" Tsakalidis at best, its safe to that none of those bigs are finished productsso I'm curious what makes you think Len will go from behind the eight ball to head of the pack. Such prophecy is nothing but wishful thinking

All the things we saw in the draft. He's mobile. He's huge. He has a light touch around the basket.

See, Len is attempting midrange jumpers. He's attempting to build a back to the basket game. Plumlee and the other guys only need one move: finish around the basket. They're all Brandan Wright to their respective teams.

Len is a lot more ambitious than that. How many bigs are trying to make that happen? Nobody. The last guys were DeMarcus Cousins and Brook Lopez. It'll take time. It took time for Bynum to do that, it took time for Boogie, and it'll take longer for Len, who was definitely a project when we took him.

I'm not saying he's the next Brook, Bynum, Alonzo or Willis Reed, but every one of those guys needed time to become effective high volume scorers. I don't know why Len should have a faster timeline than they did.

It's great that he's ambitious about expanding his game, but I'd much rather he focus on developing one offensive move he can hang his hat on. Just one. Guy needs to find his niche and play within his skillset.