#3 pick

[ddb]

Lol as if the 76ers are giving up a shot at Simmons. Never, ever, ever.

Sixers are 99.9% drafting Simmons and then trading 1 of Okafor or Noel for another lottery pick to draft a guard...They want a Simmons/Murray or Simmons/Dunn combo

[Froob]

Lol as if the 76ers are giving up a shot at Simmons. Never, ever, ever.

Sixers are 99.9% drafting Simmons and then trading 1 of Okafor or Noel for another lottery pick to draft a guard...They want a Simmons/Murray or Simmons/Dunn combo

Is Noel that good? RFA at end of next season so would have to pay him too..

[CollegeToPros]

Lol as if the 76ers are giving up a shot at Simmons. Never, ever, ever.

Sixers are 99.9% drafting Simmons and then trading 1 of Okafor or Noel for another lottery pick to draft a guard...They want a Simmons/Murray or Simmons/Dunn combo

Is Noel that good? RFA at end of next season so would have to pay him too..

Would provide us with a rim protection and athleticism inside we haven't had since KG


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[ParticleMan]

i'd trade #3 for noel but i think it's a tad steep. i'd want something like their 23rd also, and give them their 31st back, plus maybe some more 2nd rounders.

[Slartibartfast]

i'd trade #3 for noel but i think it's a tad steep. i'd want something like their 23rd also, and give them their 31st back, plus maybe some more 2nd rounders.

I'd be on board with that.

But I struggle to see the next step for our team with a Noel trade.

If we're trying to maximize the remaining cheap IT window, bringing in a star-level offensive player (or two) is crucial, and #3 is our best tool to do that.

Looking at free agency, the offensive stars are very few. DeRozan is perhaps the only theoretically obtainable one and he's a terrible fit for our shooting starved line-up. Ditto Wade. Pau might still have some juice, but he plays the same position as Noel.

Thus I think it's best to use #3 in a trade for an offensive star - Love, Hayward, Cousins, maybe Melo - and use free agency, lesser assets to address the defensive need.

Smart for Noel is the deal that makes most sense to me.

[sully00]

Demar Derozen will likely jump on the opportunity to come home and be the star SG to follow Kobe and play with Cousins. They won't be world beaters, but that with Russel can get you to around .500.

Why would this be attractive to Derozan? I get it if the Lakers are going to max him out and nobody else will but lets say the money is even and more in TOR he is going to go from a 2 seed to a last place team to follow in a legend's footsteps? You think Cousins is going to be good with Derozan making almost twice as much money as him?

I just don't see anyone going to the Lakers voluntarily. In a year or so with Phil back and some of their young talent getting traction maybe they can reestablish themselves. They are a mess and I don't think Cousins does anything to h elp that.

Because he's a young kid from Compton with the chance to play for his legendary hometeam in the recent legend's footsteps.

Also, because it's the NBA and it's LA.

There is a reason Simmons is blacklisting the Sixers to try and go there.

It's within the realm of reason. But we're like 5 steps down the rabbit hole right now, so let's just hold out and wait and if the Lakers even do trade the #2 for a star as they'd like to then we can revisit this topic.

Nobody wants to play PHI that isn't related to LAL.

When Jordan left CHI nobody wanted to touch being the guy that had to follow him for like 15 years.

I have said before and I will say it again nobody goes to LA for less money. Maybe if they are ring chasing but not a marquee FA.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Why would this be attractive to Derozan? I get it if the Lakers are going to max him out and nobody else will but lets say the money is even and more in TOR he is going to go from a 2 seed to a last place team to follow in a legend's footsteps? You think Cousins is going to be good with Derozan making almost twice as much money as him?

I just don't see anyone going to the Lakers voluntarily. In a year or so with Phil back and some of their young talent getting traction maybe they can reestablish themselves. They are a mess and I don't think Cousins does anything to h elp that.

Because he's a young kid from Compton with the chance to play for his legendary hometeam in the recent legend's footsteps.

Also, because it's the NBA and it's LA.

There is a reason Simmons is blacklisting the Sixers to try and go there.

It's within the realm of reason. But we're like 5 steps down the rabbit hole right now, so let's just hold out and wait and if the Lakers even do trade the #2 for a star as they'd like to then we can revisit this topic.

Nobody wants to play PHI that isn't related to LAL.

When Jordan left CHI nobody wanted to touch being the guy that had to follow him for like 15 years.

I have said before and I will say it again nobody goes to LA for less money. Maybe if they are ring chasing but not a marquee FA.

this off season is so stressful I'm just gonna go ahead and post memes for the most part, hope thats gucci sully

[sully00]

Lol as if the 76ers are giving up a shot at Simmons. Never, ever, ever.

Sixers are 99.9% drafting Simmons and then trading 1 of Okafor or Noel for another lottery pick to draft a guard...They want a Simmons/Murray or Simmons/Dunn combo

Is Noel that good? RFA at end of next season so would have to pay him too..

No I don't think so. I mean they may be able to get something in the 10-15 range I guess. Top 5-7 pick that would likely be needed to get Dunn, Murray, or Hield no. That is why part of why Okafor is in play and I think Noel is a better fit with Simmons as well.

[ddb]

Sixers are 99.9% drafting Simmons and then trading 1 of Okafor or Noel for another lottery pick to draft a guard...They want a Simmons/Murray or Simmons/Dunn combo

Is Noel that good? RFA at end of next season so would have to pay him too..

No I don't think so. I mean they may be able to get something in the 10-15 range I guess. Top 5-7 pick that would likely be needed to get Dunn, Murray, or Hield no. That is why part of why Okafor is in play and I think Noel is a better fit with Simmons as well.

yeah, and I never said the Sixers will trade necessarily with Boston either.

I feel like 2 & 4 would have been best case scenario for Philly on lottery night. Getting the #1 pick is almost NOT a good thing, unless Simmons ends up being the best player in this draft by a large margin. Where is the floor spacing and big man minutes coming from? Simmons, Saric, Covington, Grant, Okafor, Embiid, Noel?

Still no guards. and I doubt they are attracting big name guard free agents to Philly just yet. Embiid being such a big question mark also works against them....they can't really rely on Embiid coming back healthy just based on his track record thus far. I'm sure they are optimistic about his return, but is anyone else? If Embiid were on the Celtics I would be really, really concerned.

If Philly drafts Simmons, they might as well completely start fresh and trade BOTH Noel and Okafor in separate deals. Both Noel and Okafor have good value around the league still and could net Philly some really good talent....Colangelo should work towards balancing out the roster and building around Simmons IMO.

Or they could do the unthinkable and offer the #1 pick & Okafor as the centerpiece in a BLOCKBUSTER trade....They could send Simmons/Okafor to the Lakers for Russell/#2/Randle. Or they could package #1/Okafor as centerpiece to the Pelies for Anthony Davis and they build in free agency.....

I am keeping a close eye on the Sixers, Lakers and Celtics this offseason. Not because they are picking 1,2,3....but because those are 3 proud franchises that want to make a big splash and WIN.

[fallguy]

Worth remembering - Colangelo made a LOT of bad/questionable moves in Toronto. This guy can be had in a trade.

[sam_I_am]

Trading up from #16 to #9 cost more than 6 picks and the target was middling prospects like Winslow for us or Kaminsky for Cha.

That means a player like Noel who has 1 year left isn't enough. The price for picks has been established. To get #3 ihas to start with 2017 Laker pick plus a player in my opinion.

[canman1971]

Trading up from #16 to #9 cost more than 6 picks and the target was middling prospects like Winslow for us or Kaminsky for Cha.

That means a player like Noel who has 1 year left isn't enough. The price for picks has been established. To get #3 ihas to start with 2017 Laker pick plus a player in my opinion.

I understand the whole "6 picks theory." But we don't really know what picks they were. They certainly were not any of the next 3 Brooklyn picks, so that right there make the price a bit cloudy at best.

[Froob]

Is Noel that good? RFA at end of next season so would have to pay him too..

No I don't think so. I mean they may be able to get something in the 10-15 range I guess. Top 5-7 pick that would likely be needed to get Dunn, Murray, or Hield no. That is why part of why Okafor is in play and I think Noel is a better fit with Simmons as well.

yeah, and I never said the Sixers will trade necessarily with Boston either.

I feel like 2 & 4 would have been best case scenario for Philly on lottery night. Getting the #1 pick is almost NOT a good thing, unless Simmons ends up being the best player in this draft by a large margin. Where is the floor spacing and big man minutes coming from? Simmons, Saric, Covington, Grant, Okafor, Embiid, Noel?

Still no guards. and I doubt they are attracting big name guard free agents to Philly just yet. Embiid being such a big question mark also works against them....they can't really rely on Embiid coming back healthy just based on his track record thus far. I'm sure they are optimistic about his return, but is anyone else? If Embiid were on the Celtics I would be really, really concerned.

If Philly drafts Simmons, they might as well completely start fresh and trade BOTH Noel and Okafor in separate deals. Both Noel and Okafor have good value around the league still and could net Philly some really good talent....Colangelo should work towards balancing out the roster and building around Simmons IMO.

Or they could do the unthinkable and offer the #1 pick & Okafor as the centerpiece in a BLOCKBUSTER trade....They could send Simmons/Okafor to the Lakers for Russell/#2/Randle. Or they could package #1/Okafor as centerpiece to the Pelies for Anthony Davis and they build in free agency.....

I am keeping a close eye on the Sixers, Lakers and Celtics this offseason. Not because they are picking 1,2,3....but because those are 3 proud franchises that want to make a big splash and WIN.

What's your best guess on what the Celtics do with the pick?

[Homerclease]

If you don't trade it you draft whoever you think has the best chance of becoming a star in 3-4 years. The answer to that question to many is Dragen Bender. Personally I just don't see Hield, Murray or Dunn rising above the level of the players the Celtics already have. I think Bender has that chance.

[thegreenlife]

i'd trade #3 for noel but i think it's a tad steep. i'd want something like their 23rd also, and give them their 31st back, plus maybe some more 2nd rounders.

I'd be on board with that.

But I struggle to see the next step for our team with a Noel trade.

If we're trying to maximize the remaining cheap IT window, bringing in a star-level offensive player (or two) is crucial, and #3 is our best tool to do that.

Looking at free agency, the offensive stars are very few. DeRozan is perhaps the only theoretically obtainable one and he's a terrible fit for our shooting starved line-up. Ditto Wade. Pau might still have some juice, but he plays the same position as Noel.

Thus I think it's best to use #3 in a trade for an offensive star - Love, Hayward, Cousins, maybe Melo - and use free agency, lesser assets to address the defensive need.

Smart for Noel is the deal that makes most sense to me.

Dude no way that I'd want to trade Smart for Noel. Noel's offensive game is limited to dunks and putbacks and will never improve, unlike Smart, who at least has something that resembles a jumpshot and can improve offensively. Even at this point in their careers, I still think that Smart is worth more than Noel. But yeah everything else you said I'm completely on board with

[Slartibartfast]

i'd trade #3 for noel but i think it's a tad steep. i'd want something like their 23rd also, and give them their 31st back, plus maybe some more 2nd rounders.

I'd be on board with that.

But I struggle to see the next step for our team with a Noel trade.

If we're trying to maximize the remaining cheap IT window, bringing in a star-level offensive player (or two) is crucial, and #3 is our best tool to do that.

Looking at free agency, the offensive stars are very few. DeRozan is perhaps the only theoretically obtainable one and he's a terrible fit for our shooting starved line-up. Ditto Wade. Pau might still have some juice, but he plays the same position as Noel.

Thus I think it's best to use #3 in a trade for an offensive star - Love, Hayward, Cousins, maybe Melo - and use free agency, lesser assets to address the defensive need.

Smart for Noel is the deal that makes most sense to me.

Dude no way that I'd want to trade Smart for Noel. Noel's offensive game is limited to dunks and putbacks and will never improve, unlike Smart, who at least has something that resembles a jumpshot and can improve offensively. Even at this point in their careers, I still think that Smart is worth more than Noel. But yeah everything else you said I'm completely on board with

You've got to factor in positions. Noel is a closer to passable offensively for a 5 than Smart is as a 1. You can be a starting big on a championship team with no offense outside of dunks and putbacks (Andrew Bogut, Tyson Chandler, Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman spring to mind). But a PG who struggles to hit 40/30 shooting splits, barely cracks 4apg per 36 and can't break his man down off the dribble?

I think Smart will eventually improve offensively to a passable level, but I don't expect him to exceed Noel's relative offensive level at his position.

[GregB]

Interesting article on Jaylen Brown. He seems to have the diet and work ethic to be great.

http://theundefeated.com/features/jaylen-brown-the-2016-nba-drafts-renaissance-man/

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

I'd trade Smart strait up for Nerlins Noel and keep the 3rd pick and draft Best player available. If it's Dragan or Dunn or whovever, so be it.

[Celts17Pride]

This draft is loaded with quality guards in the first 7 picks. Philly has nothing to speak of as far as guards. I fully expect Philly to do something to get in the 2-6 range.

[ddb]

No I don't think so. I mean they may be able to get something in the 10-15 range I guess. Top 5-7 pick that would likely be needed to get Dunn, Murray, or Hield no. That is why part of why Okafor is in play and I think Noel is a better fit with Simmons as well.

yeah, and I never said the Sixers will trade necessarily with Boston either.

I feel like 2 & 4 would have been best case scenario for Philly on lottery night. Getting the #1 pick is almost NOT a good thing, unless Simmons ends up being the best player in this draft by a large margin. Where is the floor spacing and big man minutes coming from? Simmons, Saric, Covington, Grant, Okafor, Embiid, Noel?

Still no guards. and I doubt they are attracting big name guard free agents to Philly just yet. Embiid being such a big question mark also works against them....they can't really rely on Embiid coming back healthy just based on his track record thus far. I'm sure they are optimistic about his return, but is anyone else? If Embiid were on the Celtics I would be really, really concerned.

If Philly drafts Simmons, they might as well completely start fresh and trade BOTH Noel and Okafor in separate deals. Both Noel and Okafor have good value around the league still and could net Philly some really good talent....Colangelo should work towards balancing out the roster and building around Simmons IMO.

Or they could do the unthinkable and offer the #1 pick & Okafor as the centerpiece in a BLOCKBUSTER trade....They could send Simmons/Okafor to the Lakers for Russell/#2/Randle. Or they could package #1/Okafor as centerpiece to the Pelies for Anthony Davis and they build in free agency.....

I am keeping a close eye on the Sixers, Lakers and Celtics this offseason. Not because they are picking 1,2,3....but because those are 3 proud franchises that want to make a big splash and WIN.

What's your best guess on what the Celtics do with the pick?

Really, really tough to tell just yet. If I had to bet I would bet on the Celtics making a pretty significant trade this offseason involving the #3 pick. Doesn't NEED to happen on draft night either.

Personally, if they are picking at 3 I would really like to see them draft Buddy Hield. He doesn't really make any sense for the current roster but there's just something about his game. I think he'll be a star. I'd like to see Boston draft Hield and not over complicate things.....Then I'd like to see Ainge make a pretty significant deal for a big man involving some combination of Smart, other picks, etc etc....then in free agency I'd like to see him land at least 1 All-Star caliber big........Roll into the season with a much improved team, but not a finished product.....Durant is likely to sign a 1 and 1 with OKC and I'd like to keep that door open....unless Ainge can find a way to acquire Paul George.....But I think it's unlikely Bird deals Paul George this offseason.

So for me, if we head into the season with a rotation like the following, I'd be happy...

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Okafor
Rozier-Hield-(Turner?)-Olynyk-Noah
Hunter-Mickey

How did I get there??

-Draft Hield #3.
-Trade Smart, Young, #16, #23, #31 to Philly for Okafor
-Sign Horford to a large 4-year deal..overspend to land a big name
-Keep Turner on hopefully a hometown discount
-Have IT/Horford convince Noah to sign a "show me" contact on the cheap....2 year deal with 2nd year a full player option...under market value, but reunited with Horford

that team will be at the top of the league in defense.. Plenty of inside/outside scoring. Improved 3pt shooting with the addition of Hield who I think moves into the starting lineup before the all-star break....blue collar players who will buy-in.... A LOT of movable contracts for the future in the event that Boston needed to make additional moves to land Durant...