Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV

[IllmaticHandler]

Brooklyn stay in the House....


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[j4remi]

Brooklyn stay in the House....


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This is fire

[Greenie]

You think Drake is best thing since Slice Bread....so this response is fully fitting of that Idea.

...and you post some of the most GARBAGE rap songs I have ever heard..... so your response is fitting as well.

Step back and let the youngin's shine.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwcsIY1GYE[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBF0PigX0As[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw-IfoBHzqc[/youtube]

you basically proved my point with these Trash Dudes. The only Young Cats that popped in your head was the Trash ones, that everyone listen to. You Like the average fan, can't find new cats on your own, that actually have real skills. Unless people/radio are talking about the person, your limited to what the consensus listens to, I can tell. You really sound like the type of listener that if the rapper is not on the radio, he not good and is boring. If His song don't play in the club, he boring.

If you can't post some young cats better than this trash, your proving you only listen to whats mainstream or whats popping on worldstar. Me and other posters, post all kinds of new nice young cats, you post that bumble Gum Garbage, and say let them shine. Every Rapper I seen you Drool over is Type Suspect. I know for a fact I post MC's that get more respect on the MIC than this trash you posted. Its not even debatable even if someone like you don't like it. The fact that you sweat drake so hard, and go to war for him against any and everybody like you married to him, tells me you won this convo hands down...You Bodied me...Im dead. Young Dolph is pissing on my Grave as we speak.

Yawn

[StephNYKurry]

The new Pandora commercial asks:

How do you feel when you listen to this?

The agenda is clear. Not interested in what you think. Wanna know what you feel.

Whether that theme makes for better music (it doesn't) is up for debate. What is not up for debate is whether or not it is ultimately destructive to our society.

Hip Hop got too big for its britches. Hip hop was something that was actually making people think. More importantly, it made BLACK PEOPLE think.

Naw naw naw...we can't have that


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[IllmaticHandler]

...and you post some of the most GARBAGE rap songs I have ever heard..... so your response is fitting as well.

Step back and let the youngin's shine.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwcsIY1GYE[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBF0PigX0As[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw-IfoBHzqc[/youtube]

you basically proved my point with these Trash Dudes. The only Young Cats that popped in your head was the Trash ones, that everyone listen to. You Like the average fan, can't find new cats on your own, that actually have real skills. Unless people/radio are talking about the person, your limited to what the consensus listens to, I can tell. You really sound like the type of listener that if the rapper is not on the radio, he not good and is boring. If His song don't play in the club, he boring.

If you can't post some young cats better than this trash, your proving you only listen to whats mainstream or whats popping on worldstar. Me and other posters, post all kinds of new nice young cats, you post that bumble Gum Garbage, and say let them shine. Every Rapper I seen you Drool over is Type Suspect. I know for a fact I post MC's that get more respect on the MIC than this trash you posted. Its not even debatable even if someone like you don't like it. The fact that you sweat drake so hard, and go to war for him against any and everybody like you married to him, tells me you won this convo hands down...You Bodied me...Im dead. Young Dolph is pissing on my Grave as we speak.

Yawn

don't stay up to late.... Get some Rest

[Greenie]

The new Pandora commercial asks:

How do you feel when you listen to this?

The agenda is clear. Not interested in what you think. Wanna know what you feel.

Whether that theme makes for better music (it doesn't) is up for debate. What is not up for debate is whether or not it is ultimately destructive to our society.

Hip Hop got too big for its britches. Hip hop was something that was actually making people think. More importantly, it made BLACK PEOPLE think.

Naw naw naw...we can't have that


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How is asking people how they feel an agenda?

[Greenie]

you basically proved my point with these Trash Dudes. The only Young Cats that popped in your head was the Trash ones, that everyone listen to. You Like the average fan, can't find new cats on your own, that actually have real skills. Unless people/radio are talking about the person, your limited to what the consensus listens to, I can tell. You really sound like the type of listener that if the rapper is not on the radio, he not good and is boring. If His song don't play in the club, he boring.

If you can't post some young cats better than this trash, your proving you only listen to whats mainstream or whats popping on worldstar. Me and other posters, post all kinds of new nice young cats, you post that bumble Gum Garbage, and say let them shine. Every Rapper I seen you Drool over is Type Suspect. I know for a fact I post MC's that get more respect on the MIC than this trash you posted. Its not even debatable even if someone like you don't like it. The fact that you sweat drake so hard, and go to war for him against any and everybody like you married to him, tells me you won this convo hands down...You Bodied me...Im dead. Young Dolph is pissing on my Grave as we speak.

Yawn

don't stay up to late.... Get some Rest

I'm awake as fuq.

[StephNYKurry]

The new Pandora commercial asks:

How do you feel when you listen to this?

The agenda is clear. Not interested in what you think. Wanna know what you feel.

Whether that theme makes for better music (it doesn't) is up for debate. What is not up for debate is whether or not it is ultimately destructive to our society.

Hip Hop got too big for its britches. Hip hop was something that was actually making people think. More importantly, it made BLACK PEOPLE think.

Naw naw naw...we can't have that


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How is asking people how they feel an agenda?

Because it's symbolic of the only assessment about music that matters anymore...how someone feels

They've essentially weaponized music and made it a drug

[Phish Tank]

this is just re-hashing the "underground"/"purist" hip-hop music fans vs new generation/mainstream hip hop music fans.

It's all under the hip hop umbrella. The umbrella's pretty big nowadays.

It's just like basketball... there are people who hate teams who play small and shoot 3s all the time and others who embrace the new school NBA.

It's just what it is. Why can't people respect each own's individual tastes and opinions?

[StephNYKurry]

this is just re-hashing the "underground"/"purist" hip-hop music fans vs new generation/mainstream hip hop music fans.

It's all under the hip hop umbrella. The umbrella's pretty big nowadays.

It's just like basketball... there are people who hate teams who play small and shoot 3s all the time and others who embrace the new school NBA.

It's just what it is. Why can't people respect each own's individual tastes and opinions?

"It's my opinion"

Also a favorite millennial cop out. This isn't "styles make fights"

The idea that this is simply old people being mad at young people for being young is inaccurate.

[Greenie]

this is just re-hashing the "underground"/"purist" hip-hop music fans vs new generation/mainstream hip hop music fans.

It's all under the hip hop umbrella. The umbrella's pretty big nowadays.

It's just like basketball... there are people who hate teams who play small and shoot 3s all the time and others who embrace the new school NBA.

It's just what it is. Why can't people respect each own's individual tastes and opinions?

IDK. I let everyone live.

[Greenie]

this is just re-hashing the "underground"/"purist" hip-hop music fans vs new generation/mainstream hip hop music fans.

It's all under the hip hop umbrella. The umbrella's pretty big nowadays.

It's just like basketball... there are people who hate teams who play small and shoot 3s all the time and others who embrace the new school NBA.

It's just what it is. Why can't people respect each own's individual tastes and opinions?

"It's my opinion"

Also a favorite millennial cop out. This isn't "styles make fights"

The idea that this is simply old people being mad at young people for being young is inaccurate.

No it's basically being mad at people not liking(or liking) certain music. So you think they are not educated in the art(because how could they) or are falling for the okie-doke(the mans agenda!!!)

[IllmaticHandler]

this is just re-hashing the "underground"/"purist" hip-hop music fans vs new generation/mainstream hip hop music fans.

It's all under the hip hop umbrella. The umbrella's pretty big nowadays.

It's just like basketball... there are people who hate teams who play small and shoot 3s all the time and others who embrace the new school NBA.

It's just what it is. Why can't people respect each own's individual tastes and opinions?

"It's my opinion"

Also a favorite millennial cop out. This isn't "styles make fights"

The idea that this is simply old people being mad at young people for being young is inaccurate.

No it's basically being mad at people not liking(or liking) certain music. So you think they are not educated in the art(because how could they) or are falling for the okie-doke(the mans agenda!!!)

This issue here is not about Liking or Not Liking peoples music. The issue here is that everyone who does the Art, WONT get a fair shake in the game. Thats the whole point of this convo and what people been saying. There is enough room for everyone to shine, but only a certain type is getting the shine. No other Music genre filters out so much repectable talent more than hip hop. Imagine if other forms only pushed ONE aspect of the music to mainstream attention. Why does a person who put a high amount of time and value into the pure art form ,have to be punished in terms of respect and success. You got cats who wake up, throw some basic bull together and get to be and receive all the accolades. A large portion of the rappers who are the popular ones, don't even give a **** about hip hop, they just know it was a vehicle to get money. They wanted Fame and Attention, thats why they became rappers....this is not an art form to them. Its a money Maker. Any rapper who takes Hip Hop serious as an art form, it usually reflects in their ability to rap, I don't care where they from.

[j4remi]

Yall remember the old video of people from Harlem watching the new Harlem Shake viral trend? That's how I feel about the "old" vs "new" rap.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGH2HEgWppc[/youtube]

We don't care that you don't like our music, but if you call yourself a rapper and then get mad at being held to the standards we've held rappers to for 30+ years at this point...just be a pop artist. There's nothing wrong with making popular music...it's always paid better.

[StephNYKurry]

this is just re-hashing the "underground"/"purist" hip-hop music fans vs new generation/mainstream hip hop music fans.

It's all under the hip hop umbrella. The umbrella's pretty big nowadays.

It's just like basketball... there are people who hate teams who play small and shoot 3s all the time and others who embrace the new school NBA.

It's just what it is. Why can't people respect each own's individual tastes and opinions?

"It's my opinion"

Also a favorite millennial cop out. This isn't "styles make fights"

The idea that this is simply old people being mad at young people for being young is inaccurate.

No it's basically being mad at people not liking(or liking) certain music. So you think they are not educated in the art(because how could they) or are falling for the okie-doke(the mans agenda!!!)

I'm not mad at the fans these days. The time for being mad at the fans is long over. We let people who had no business getting their hands on hip hop, molest the **** out of her a long time ago.

I'm more upset with the systems, structures, and institutions that have been put in place to aid in dumbing music down.

"If I like it...I like it"

1) Music is suppose to serve a larger purpose than "if I like it...I like it"

2) That's an oversimplification of an extremely complex interaction between music and the brain.

Don't know if you've ever seen the movie "Side Effects" but you should probably check it out. Might change your perspective on letting your feelings completely govern what you ingest.

[StephNYKurry]

As someone said in the Sybel Edmonds doc I watched recently...

It's far easier to deceive the sheeple than it is to convince the sheeple that they have been deceived.


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[Greenie]

"It's my opinion"

Also a favorite millennial cop out. This isn't "styles make fights"

The idea that this is simply old people being mad at young people for being young is inaccurate.

No it's basically being mad at people not liking(or liking) certain music. So you think they are not educated in the art(because how could they) or are falling for the okie-doke(the mans agenda!!!)

This issue here is not about Liking or Not Liking peoples music. The issue here is that everyone who does the Art, WONT get a fair shake in the game. Thats the whole point of this convo and what people been saying. There is enough room for everyone to shine, but only a certain type is getting the shine. No other Music genre filters out so much repectable talent more than hip hop. Imagine if other forms only pushed ONE aspect of the music to mainstream attention. Why does a person who put a high amount of time and value into the pure art form ,have to be punished in terms of respect and success. You got cats who wake up, throw some basic bull together and get to be and receive all the accolades. A large portion of the rappers who are the popular ones, don't even give a **** about hip hop, they just know it was a vehicle to get money. They wanted Fame and Attention, thats why they became rappers....this is not an art form to them. Its a money Maker. Any rapper who takes Hip Hop serious as an art form, it usually reflects in their ability to rap, I don't care where they from.

That's life and life isn't fair. If you want to get your message out to the masses then put it out. You simply can't get mad if it's not received. Do you know how many people have put time and money and effort into school and will never benefit from it? How many Lawyers do you know not practicing? How many brokers do you know that can't get work. That's life.
Being upset does nothing.

[Greenie]

Yall remember the old video of people from Harlem watching the new Harlem Shake viral trend? That's how I feel about the "old" vs "new" rap.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGH2HEgWppc[/youtube]

We don't care that you don't like our music, but if you call yourself a rapper and then get mad at being held to the standards we've held rappers to for 30+ years at this point...just be a pop artist. There's nothing wrong with making popular music...it's always paid better.

Rappers have not been held to the same standards. That's false. Rappers used to be hype men.

[Greenie]

Everyone uses music for different things. Some use it as a vehicle of knowledge(I do not) that's what books are for and I get common knowledge from elders in the community.

I use music as an escape. Dumb it down all you want. I don't care. Between work and real life I have enough of processing and critical thinking. Let me turn the hell up, let the stress go and every now and then have a damn drink.

Now sometimes I would like a tad bit more...I don't turn on rap when I do.

[StephNYKurry]

No it's basically being mad at people not liking(or liking) certain music. So you think they are not educated in the art(because how could they) or are falling for the okie-doke(the mans agenda!!!)

This issue here is not about Liking or Not Liking peoples music. The issue here is that everyone who does the Art, WONT get a fair shake in the game. Thats the whole point of this convo and what people been saying. There is enough room for everyone to shine, but only a certain type is getting the shine. No other Music genre filters out so much repectable talent more than hip hop. Imagine if other forms only pushed ONE aspect of the music to mainstream attention. Why does a person who put a high amount of time and value into the pure art form ,have to be punished in terms of respect and success. You got cats who wake up, throw some basic bull together and get to be and receive all the accolades. A large portion of the rappers who are the popular ones, don't even give a **** about hip hop, they just know it was a vehicle to get money. They wanted Fame and Attention, thats why they became rappers....this is not an art form to them. Its a money Maker. Any rapper who takes Hip Hop serious as an art form, it usually reflects in their ability to rap, I don't care where they from.

That's life and life isn't fair. If you want to get your message out to the masses then put it out. You simply can't get mad if it's not received. Do you know how many people have put time and money and effort into school and will never benefit from it? How many Lawyers do you know not practicing? How many brokers do you know that can't get work. That's life.
Being upset does nothing.

I know you were responding to what you quoted, but overall I think you're missing the point.

There was a time when Tribe rocked on hip hop stations just as much as Big Daddy Kane. Whether it was flashy "ghettofab" rap or it was about public enemy or LL talkin bout love...IT WAS ALL HIP HOP!!!!

Let's deal from a belief that you yourself understand the differences between what you feel and what you think/do with those feelings.

What about the humans who can't delineate between the two? What about humans who are at the formative stages of their development and unable to separate Kendrick Lamar and Uzi? I can separate the two and understand them both for what they are, which allows me to enjoy both in different ways.

How does a parent protect against a kid being exposed to things they don't want the child exposed to, when the kid has access to the Internet all day?

And don't get it twisted, this isn't me railing on types like Uzi. The most recent song I posted here is along those lines. The issue is that conscious rap has become a "sub culture" of Hip Hop and that's a PROBLEM.

It's that we've allowed Hip Hop to be divided when Hip Hop is SUPPOSED o encompass all of these things.

Religiously pumping Drake, and Young Thug, and Future, and 2 chainz into the public consciousness without having the balance of Cole, Kendrick, and Chance does a disservice to the culture.

There are people like you who say "I like what I like" who only know what goes on 105.1 or Hot 97. They haven't even been exposed to Kendrick or Cole or Bas or KRIT. That's a problem.