The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[thamadkant]

Last year it was discussed Okafor for pick AND Smart.

I know it stays either the same or Smart is chaged to Bradley. Okafor is better than just a 3 pick.

.......and the Celtics passed on that deal.

If that's true, I hope BC passes on #3 for Okafor as well.

He won't.... if its true that he wants Simmons and Dunn combo with Noel and Embiid and Saric.

[Frank Lee]

Interesting idea..... Bledsoe to the Kings for #8/WCS.

Look, i love me some Bledsoe. Honestly one of my favorite Suns PG's of all time. But doing something like this could really boost our team. If Philly and Boston dont agree on a trade, more than likely Boston will be drafting Bender. That would leave us Dunn at #4. Boom! Bledsoe replacement. With the #8 pick, we would have pretty much any PF of our choosing (Labissiere/Davis/Chriss). At #13 we could snatch up anyone who is dropping in the draft, or even better use it in trade.

Just an idea as i saw a few article mentioning trading WCS to move up in the draft to select their future PG and the idea of reuniting Bledsoe with Cousins might really hit home with their FO. Also there was a thread about trading WCS+#8 on the trade board.

Would you make that deal even if Dunn was gone ? Could package #4 + + to Chi for Butler.... and sign Rondo

[Kerrsed]

Interesting idea..... Bledsoe to the Kings for #8/WCS.

Look, i love me some Bledsoe. Honestly one of my favorite Suns PG's of all time. But doing something like this could really boost our team. If Philly and Boston dont agree on a trade, more than likely Boston will be drafting Bender. That would leave us Dunn at #4. Boom! Bledsoe replacement. With the #8 pick, we would have pretty much any PF of our choosing (Labissiere/Davis/Chriss). At #13 we could snatch up anyone who is dropping in the draft, or even better use it in trade.

Just an idea as i saw a few article mentioning trading WCS to move up in the draft to select their future PG and the idea of reuniting Bledsoe with Cousins might really hit home with their FO. Also there was a thread about trading WCS+#8 on the trade board.

Would you make that deal even if Dunn was gone ? Could package #4 + + to Chi for Butler.... and sign Rondo

I would. Dont know who we would have to package with the #4 to get Butler, but im sure it would start with either Len or WCS.

And even if Chicago wasnt down for the trade AND Boston (or Philly) drafted Dunn, we could still draft Bender at #4, and still draft a PG like Baldwin/Jackson/Ulis with the #13 pick. In that scenario i dont know who we would grab with #8 as most of the mocks have pretty much all the wings (Murray/Heild/Brown) all being drafted before the 8th pick, leaving a long list of PF/C's.

[JMac1]

I'd do the Sac deal in a heart beat. It really depends on what Boston does. Do we like Murray, Dunn or Bender? I haven't heard any thing about Okafor being a possibility which he should be, I wonder why?

Murray and Booker or Dunn and Booker or Booker and Bender or Booker and Okafor.

We have so many options.

[letsgosuns]

This article is proposing the Nuggets trade for Jimmy Butler.

http://everythingbasketball.sportsblog.com/posts/18633588/jimmy-butler-to-denver-.html

This is the offer it suggests. #7, #15, #19, Gary Harris, Jusuf Nurkic. Uhh in what world do they think that is a good enough package for Butler. A lot of people on here including me suggested Knight, pick 4, and pick 28, or possibly pick 13 instead of 28 if that is the deal breaker. The Bulls already have the 14th pick. Why would they want two more picks behind their own pick. Plus the centerpiece of the package is pick 7? I think every team in the top five can put together a way better package for Jimmy Butler than this. And Harris and Nurkic are like whatever. The article actually says both teams win with this trade. Newsflash. Two-way playing all-stars that are all-nba defenders in their prime signed for several years do not get traded for a package of mid-late lottery picks and random role-players.

[Qwigglez]

^I think they feel like Gary Harris is on par with a high lottery pick and he isn't. I don't see him being anything more than a below average starter / role player. Nurkic also shown flashes of being a quality center. But still, I think our package trumps it because whoever they select at No 4 could potentially be an all-star.

[bwgood77]

These trade rumors are getting out of control.

[letsgosuns]

I think most of us on here agree the Suns are not going to be competing for a championship next season and/or possibly the season after that. Let's assume the Suns do not trade for a superstar on draft night and draft players at their given slots. How many fans on here would be interested in the Suns trading Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, and Chandler for more young players and going super young ala the Thunder with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.

The Suns draft either Dunn or Bender and go with a lineup of Dunn, Booker, Warren, draft pick, and Len, or Draft pick/FA, Booker, Warren, Bender, and Len. I only see potential. There is a high probability the team will not be that good immediately and might be one of the worst teams in the league. But at least you have an incredibly young team with loads of potential where the entire core is 23 or younger. If those players can grow together for a couple years or more, they might turn into a contending team one day. Plus if the team is terrible you get another super high draft pick. This also does not even factor in whatever the Suns could get for trading the guys I mentioned so the team could be filled with young prospects.

[Cactus Jack]

I think most of us on here agree the Suns are not going to be competing for a championship next season and/or possibly the season after that. Let's assume the Suns do not trade for a superstar on draft night and draft players at their given slots. How many fans on here would be interested in the Suns trading Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, and Chandler for more young players and going super young ala the Thunder with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.

The Suns draft either Dunn or Bender and go with a lineup of Dunn, Booker, Warren, draft pick, and Len, or Draft pick/FA, Booker, Warren, Bender, and Len. I only see potential. There is a high probability the team will not be that good immediately and might be one of the worst teams in the league. But at least you have an incredibly young team with loads of potential where the entire core is 23 or younger. If those players can grow together for a couple years or more, they might turn into a contending team one day. Plus if the team is terrible you get another super high draft pick. This also does not even factor in whatever the Suns could get for trading the guys I mentioned so the team could be filled with young prospects.

Are we talking Sixers type tank job?

[letsgosuns]

I think most of us on here agree the Suns are not going to be competing for a championship next season and/or possibly the season after that. Let's assume the Suns do not trade for a superstar on draft night and draft players at their given slots. How many fans on here would be interested in the Suns trading Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, and Chandler for more young players and going super young ala the Thunder with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.

The Suns draft either Dunn or Bender and go with a lineup of Dunn, Booker, Warren, draft pick, and Len, or Draft pick/FA, Booker, Warren, Bender, and Len. I only see potential. There is a high probability the team will not be that good immediately and might be one of the worst teams in the league. But at least you have an incredibly young team with loads of potential where the entire core is 23 or younger. If those players can grow together for a couple years or more, they might turn into a contending team one day. Plus if the team is terrible you get another super high draft pick. This also does not even factor in whatever the Suns could get for trading the guys I mentioned so the team could be filled with young prospects.

Are we talking Sixers type tank job?

No not like that. I think a team of Booker, Warren, and Len as part of the core is already too good to tank like that. I mentioned the Thunder because they completely handed the keys to their rookies and I think the Suns should do the same.

[lilfishi22]

I think most of us on here agree the Suns are not going to be competing for a championship next season and/or possibly the season after that. Let's assume the Suns do not trade for a superstar on draft night and draft players at their given slots. How many fans on here would be interested in the Suns trading Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, and Chandler for more young players and going super young ala the Thunder with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.

The Suns draft either Dunn or Bender and go with a lineup of Dunn, Booker, Warren, draft pick, and Len, or Draft pick/FA, Booker, Warren, Bender, and Len. I only see potential. There is a high probability the team will not be that good immediately and might be one of the worst teams in the league. But at least you have an incredibly young team with loads of potential where the entire core is 23 or younger. If those players can grow together for a couple years or more, they might turn into a contending team one day. Plus if the team is terrible you get another super high draft pick. This also does not even factor in whatever the Suns could get for trading the guys I mentioned so the team could be filled with young prospects.

Are we talking Sixers type tank job?

No not like that. I think a team of Booker, Warren, and Len as part of the core is already too good to tank like that. I mentioned the Thunder because they completely handed the keys to their rookies and I think the Suns should do the same.

I wouldn't be so sure. We sucked this season and we weren't even trying to tank. You're virtually trading away theveteran players that actually contributed to a few wins we had this season. It would be hard to win games even if we weren't tanking I would think.

Also KD was an elite talent as a rookie. Likewise with Harden and Westbrook. They worked because they had elite raw talent. When you don't have that and you hand the keys to your rookies, Sixers happen

[Cactus Jack]

No not like that. I think a team of Booker, Warren, and Len as part of the core is already too good to tank like that. I mentioned the Thunder because they completely handed the keys to their rookies and I think the Suns should do the same.

You just had to mention them didn't you!?

[letsgosuns]

No not like that. I think a team of Booker, Warren, and Len as part of the core is already too good to tank like that. I mentioned the Thunder because they completely handed the keys to their rookies and I think the Suns should do the same.

You just had to mention them didn't you!?

Haha sorry.

[letsgosuns]

Are we talking Sixers type tank job?

No not like that. I think a team of Booker, Warren, and Len as part of the core is already too good to tank like that. I mentioned the Thunder because they completely handed the keys to their rookies and I think the Suns should do the same.

I wouldn't be so sure. We sucked this season and we weren't even trying to tank. You're virtually trading away theveteran players that actually contributed to a few wins we had this season. It would be hard to win games even if we weren't tanking I would think.

Also KD was an elite talent as a rookie. Likewise with Harden and Westbrook. They worked because they had elite raw talent. When you don't have that and you hand the keys to your rookies, Sixers happen

The Suns sucked when the team was healthy though. They were 12-19 the game Bledsoe went down. They truly are not really much better when Bledsoe and Knight are playing. I also think they would have been much better had Warren not gotten hurt. I am excited to see what he can do under Watson. Hornacek flat out did not like to play the Suns rookies for whatever reason which was ridiculous and I am so happy he is not the coach of the team anymore.

I think Booker is an elite talent. Len was the fifth pick and there is still hope for him to be a double-double every night type center. Maybe Dunn or Bender can become a superstar. I am not saying it will work. It is just an idea. The main point is actually this. Bledsoe has had three knee surgeries. Big red flag to me. I am not relying on him being able to become the permanent point guard. I do not like Knight at all and do not want him on the team. Tucker I do not like either and want him off the team. Chandler is okay but is pointless on the Suns because they are not a contender. So while it might seem like I am saying trade the veterans and go young to tank, that is not what I am saying. I want the Suns to move on from those four players for real reasons. It is not because I want them to tank.

Maybe the Suns could trade Bledsoe, Chandler, Tucker, and the 13th pick for Jabari Parker. If the Celtics take Bender, draft Dunn and go with Dunn, Booker, Warren, Parker, and Len, or something like that. And yes I know it is wishful thinking the Suns can pull off that trade but I do think the Suns could get something really good for those players.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Bledsoe reinjured, Knight reinjured, Chandler old and reinjured, Warren long term injury.

That's 4 dominos we need to stand up just to get back to even if we're going to aim to win now.

I'd hate to have another low ceiling season aiming to sneak into playoffs and fail to be even mediocre again.

I want to go hard at 2 All-Stars or go hard at a top 5 pick in a draft with transformational talent.

[asudevil]

No not like that. I think a team of Booker, Warren, and Len as part of the core is already too good to tank like that. I mentioned the Thunder because they completely handed the keys to their rookies and I think the Suns should do the same.

I wouldn't be so sure. We sucked this season and we weren't even trying to tank. You're virtually trading away theveteran players that actually contributed to a few wins we had this season. It would be hard to win games even if we weren't tanking I would think.

Also KD was an elite talent as a rookie. Likewise with Harden and Westbrook. They worked because they had elite raw talent. When you don't have that and you hand the keys to your rookies, Sixers happen

The Suns sucked when the team was healthy though. They were 12-19 the game Bledsoe went down. They truly are not really much better when Bledsoe and Knight are playing. I also think they would have been much better had Warren not gotten hurt. I am excited to see what he can do under Watson. Hornacek flat out did not like to play the Suns rookies for whatever reason which was ridiculous and I am so happy he is not the coach of the team anymore.

I think Booker is an elite talent. Len was the fifth pick and there is still hope for him to be a double-double every night type center. Maybe Dunn or Bender can become a superstar. I am not saying it will work. It is just an idea. The main point is actually this. Bledsoe has had three knee surgeries. Big red flag to me. I am not relying on him being able to become the permanent point guard. I do not like Knight at all and do not want him on the team. Tucker I do not like either and want him off the team. Chandler is okay but is pointless on the Suns because they are not a contender. So while it might seem like I am saying trade the veterans and go young to tank, that is not what I am saying. I want the Suns to move on from those four players for real reasons. It is not because I want them to tank.

Maybe the Suns could trade Bledsoe, Chandler, Tucker, and the 13th pick for Jabari Parker. If the Celtics take Bender, draft Dunn and go with Dunn, Booker, Warren, Parker, and Len, or something like that. And yes I know it is wishful thinking the Suns can pull off that trade but I do think the Suns could get something really good for those players.

IMO Bledsoe had 3 MINOR knee injuries, where he went the long recovery route. There are PLENTY of instances where a player has torn a meniscus and and went the short route, leading to long productive careers. Wade, Blake, Paul come to mind first and foremost. Bledsoe went the long route because he was young. I firmly believe that IF he tears either again, he'll elect to remove it, and be back within weeks....not months.

When Bledsoe/Knight played, our backcourt D was absolutely atrocious.

I could literally go on and on listing box scores where starters scored double their season averages, and 2nd/3rd string players doing the same. Just look an just about any boxscore....even in wins. I even humored myself, and clicked random losses on ESPN. the headline 4/5 times was "PG/SG lead team over win."

[asudevil]

Suns trade:
#4/Knight/#13
Suns get:
Butler

Kings trade:
#8/Gay
Kinsgs get:
Knight/#13

Bulls trade:
Butler:
Bulls get:
Gay/#4/#8

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Suns Trade:
Tucker
Raps trade:
Patterson

Resign Tele
Bring over Bogdan

Len/Chandler
Patterson/Tele
Butler/Warren
Booker/Bogdan
Bledsoe/Goodwin

[Years90Suns]

I also believe we are not that far from being a good team.
We have some good players and assets.We have flexibility. We got rid of the M&Ms.
Booker came almost out of nowhere and Goodwin has improved a lot or, at least, he has shown that he can be an NBA player playing multiple positions.

I think our level of performance depends much more on guys recovering well and how they all get adapted to playing for the new coach.
Also Watson has to be clear and has to show which way he wants to go. I mean, particularly, that we have Knight on board, who is not a bad player, but he usually does not make the rest around better players, so he should not be a player with a central role, even if he earns 14 mill/year.

Of the trades and possibilities mentioned before, some of them just make me laugh. We cannot trade for players that do not care about winning, or who are bad examples.
Rondo, Cousins... uff... as further as possible.
Cousins is a good player with bad decisions and also it would take a lot to get him.
But Rondo is just a bad player in today's game with a brick inside his poor head.

Gasol is not a bad player, but he is too soft to play C and too slow to play PF. He is the post player with less rebounds in traffic. He now cares most about being in a nice city with other things to do. Will not fit in Phoenix by any means.

Finally, I would say some of you have the idea that replacing a 5/6 year veteran with a rookie that plays the same position is an instant fact. NO. It is not like replacing a screw in a machine, which will continue working at the same path.
Replacing a player who has been in the L for 6 years cannot be done instantly by a rookie.
That takes a while.

The offer of #3 for Okafor seems interesting. We could offer better with our pick for Okafor, including a player, or another pick for the future. But probably Bender will be a better player than Okafor in a few years. Or, at least, a better rounded player for today's game.

I would use one of our picks on Diallo. That kid will explode one day.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

All these rumors and yet we are only scratching the surface of our myriad options. No one knows what draft day will bring, except that we will surely make at least one trade.

[JMac1]

All these rumors and yet we are only scratching the surface of our myriad options. No one knows what draft day will bring, except that we will surely make at least one trade.

I am in the Okafor or Bender camp until I hear different from Woj. Especially Okafor since we haven't been mentioned and he IS on the block.