2016 draft thread: Part 2

Mattya · Post #741 » by **Mattya** » Fri May 27, 2016 7:23 pm

gopher wolf wrote:Whats interesting to me is how similar Bender, Skal and Maker's skill sets are as well as their levels of production (or lack thereof) yet one is a projected top 3-5 pick, the other a late lottery pick and the third a late first rounder. All 3 of them are getting drafted solely on potential and to me, Maker's flashes of greatness are easily the most impressive and IMO seem to translate the best to the NBA with Bender's being the least impressive. Maker definitely has the greatest "wow" factor of that trio.

Well Bender played professional basketball in Europe and is younger than both other players. Factoring in his age and the competition level he played against is a big part of the reason he is projected to be drafted so high.

Post #742 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 27, 2016 9:18 pm

I'd also throw out there that Skal's freshman season is fresh in minds. Remember, going into the season, he was the favorite for the No. 1 pick, not Simmons or Ingram.

Post #743 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 27, 2016 9:30 pm

I have a gut feeling Bender is going to fall to us. It just seems to happen around draft time...doesn't mean he's a bad player, but some teams might not be willing to pull the trigger for whatever reason. I don't think Boston or Phoenix are teams that will want to make that pick.

Post #744 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 27, 2016 9:47 pm

ace625214 wrote:
Klomp wrote:I think G does the same things Maker does, and its far from a guarantee Maker will do them at G's level.

I'm not advocating we take Maker at 5 or that he'll be a better player than Gorgui, but to say G does all the stuff Maker does is either very optimistic or shows a lack of knowledge about Maker. Thon is a much better athlete than Gorgui and plays like a 2/3 in a 4/5's body. He leads breaks, hits pull-up 3s, and crosses people over on drives. I agree that Dieng has great court vision and can make some plays, but he and Maker are very dissimilar. Thon is more like Antetokounmpo than he is Dieng.

One thing I will concede about Maker is that like Bender, he is a true 7-footer. He's 1.5 inches taller than Towns. That's always been something important to me down low is to get a true 7-footer...something we haven't really had since Darko and Koufos (KG not included).

gopher wolf · Post #745 » by **gopher wolf** » Fri May 27, 2016 9:48 pm

Klomp wrote:I have a gut feeling Bender is going to fall to us. It just seems to happen around draft time...doesn't mean he's a bad player, but some teams might not be willing to pull the trigger for whatever reason. I don't think Boston or Phoenix are teams that will want to make that pick.

Part of me would be ecstatic of Bender fell to us at #5 but the other part of me wonders that if Boston and especially Phoenix, two teams that need a front court and a PF upgrade just as much if not more than we do, would pass on Bender, then why would we be the ones to take him?

Post #746 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 27, 2016 9:56 pm

gopher wolf wrote:
Klomp wrote:I have a gut feeling Bender is going to fall to us. It just seems to happen around draft time...doesn't mean he's a bad player, but some teams might not be willing to pull the trigger for whatever reason. I don't think Boston or Phoenix are teams that will want to make that pick.

Part of me would be ecstatic of Bender fell to us at #5 but the other part of me wonders that if Boston and especially Phoenix, two teams that need a front court and a PF upgrade just as much if not more than we do, would pass on Bender, then why would we be the ones to take him?

I don't see Phoenix's need for a post upgrade. They played Len and Chandler together the last half of the year, and a pretty good option off the bench in Teletovic if they were worried about PF. Teletovic is a FA, so maybe they'll try to upgrade, but I also could see them taking Jaylen Brown to pair with Booker.

Boston maybe needs a PF, but I think they're looking for a more immediate impact. I'd be more worried about them trading the pick to a team who wants Bender than I would about them taking Bender.

Post #747 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 27, 2016 10:15 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsmA-bJ4p8[/youtube]

The dude has pencils for calves!

ace625214 · Post #748 » by **ace625214** » Fri May 27, 2016 10:19 pm

I think there's a pretty decent chance Boston moves their pick to Philly for Okafor. Philly gets Ingram/Dunn and Boston has their big post scorer they seem to want. Bender would only have to slip by Phoenix in that situation.

Takingbaconback · Post #749 » by **Takingbaconback** » Fri May 27, 2016 11:17 pm

ace625214 wrote:I think there's a pretty decent chance Boston moves their pick to Philly for Okafor. Philly gets Ingram/Dunn and Boston has their big post scorer they seem to want. Bender would only have to slip by Phoenix in that situation.

In which case PHO could easily take brown over Bender. Brown seems like a really high upside guy also who can play a wiggins/butler role if he pans out

Post #750 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 27, 2016 11:26 pm

Yup, I've had Brown pegged to PHX for this entire process...

ace625214 · Post #751 » by **ace625214** » Fri May 27, 2016 11:32 pm

Which would mean everything falls perfectly and we can draft Bender...except Thibs picks Murray because we're the Wolves and we can't have nice things.

Grits n Gravy · Post #752 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Fri May 27, 2016 11:34 pm

Man I pray you are right. Bender would be an absolute dream get.

Post #753 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri May 27, 2016 11:53 pm

Klomp wrote:
gopher wolf wrote:
Klomp wrote:I have a gut feeling Bender is going to fall to us. It just seems to happen around draft time...doesn't mean he's a bad player, but some teams might not be willing to pull the trigger for whatever reason. I don't think Boston or Phoenix are teams that will want to make that pick.

Part of me would be ecstatic of Bender fell to us at #5 but the other part of me wonders that if Boston and especially Phoenix, two teams that need a front court and a PF upgrade just as much if not more than we do, would pass on Bender, then why would we be the ones to take him?

I don't see Phoenix's need for a post upgrade. They played Len and Chandler together the last half of the year, and a pretty good option off the bench in Teletovic if they were worried about PF. Teletovic is a FA, so maybe they'll try to upgrade, but I also could see them taking Jaylen Brown to pair with Booker.

Boston maybe needs a PF, but I think they're looking for a more immediate impact. I'd be more worried about them trading the pick to a team who wants Bender than I would about them taking Bender.

Chandler's like 35, he's not going to affect Phoenix's pick.
I don't think Boston is looking for immediate impact. Ainge will want to swing big, although he may trade the pick. If it's to Philly it's definitely a guard.

jpatrick · Post #754 » by **jpatrick** » Sat May 28, 2016 12:11 am

I don't think the Suns take a guard. They already have a young three guard rotation set. So, it comes down to whether they like Bender or Brown more. Chandler won't dissuade them from taking Bender. My guess is they take Bender, but it's early in the process.

Post #755 » by **Calinks** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:20 am

Really starting to come around on Heild. His game looks more dynamic than I assumed. He seems like he can finish and shoot. I also kind of like he is older, I think we will get less boneheaded rookie stuff you usu sally get with the teen players. He seems like he can come in and contribute off the bench right away. If his stoke translates he could be like an improved Hoiberg and that's a nice piece to have. Some say his ceiling is as high as a D Wade type and of course that would be amazing but I would be happy with a reliable bench sharp shooter who can get some buckets.

Murray, Heild, or Bender and I thin I'm good. Want to hear more though after some workouts are done.

NikolaPekovic · Post #756 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:40 am

If you guys haven't heard, its pretty much a lock for the Sixers to take Ben Simmons.

Post #757 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:46 am

NikolaPekovic wrote:If you guys haven't heard, its pretty much a lock for the Sixers to take Ben Simmons.

That's too bad.

Russell/Ingram is a nice duo to build around.

Post #758 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:50 am

Hield, Bender, Murray, Dunn....they all project to be elite role players. That's exactly the types of players we need to be adding. We have the top-end talent, but we need to continue surrounding them with the right pieces. I would be completely fine with any of the four listed above.

Merc_Porto · Post #759 » by **Merc_Porto** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:53 am

NikolaPekovic wrote:If you guys haven't heard, its pretty much a lock for the Sixers to take Ben Simmons.

That would be my pick too.
BPA.

NikolaPekovic · Post #760 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:04 am

I was listening to the Doogie pod the other day. There was some interesting stuff I should highlight for you guys.

- Wolves have a LOT of interest in Dunn... and the feeling is mutual in Dunns camp.

- Dunns camp is trying to deter teams with a glut of young guards like Boston and Pheonix from taking him so he could land here. He must view the Wolves PG job as the easiest to take.

- Dunn is managed by the same agency as Thibs and KAT. Which explains that video of KAT and Dunn working out.

- He stated that if there's one name to circle out of the guys that would be available, Its Kris Dunn. He is the heavy favorite, and although its early in the process, its not as if Thibs and Layden haven't done their homework.

Personal thought: If the interest between Dunn and Thibs is mutual, then it must mean Thibs is not as committed to Rubio as the long term PG as some of us have initially thought.