Plan your Orlando Magic 2016 Offseason (Vogel Edition)

[tiderulz]

My wish list:

1. Joachim Noah -- Checks all the boxes for the intense, tough veteran leader, the type of guy they keep saying they are going after this summer.
2. Best 3-point shooter available -- 3-point shooting wins in today's NBA, and we don't have much of it at all. I would go after Chandler Parsons or Ryan Anderson, but the focus for contract #2 has to be 3-point shooting.

Parsons -- 27 years old, career 14.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3P% .380
Anderson -- 28 years old, career 13.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 3P% .377

Very similar.

Mike Conley would be great but no way he comes here to losing team. Same with the other top tier guys.

Fournier is a better 3 pt shooter than Parsons. if that is all you are wanting, take the younger guy with no injury issues

[Landshark]

Did you post it?

Yah would love to know the results.

I didn't mean I'll post it , I could care less what they think , I meant we will see how Ingram turns out compared to Dipo . Lakers going to be losing along time with Ingram


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The discussion was about whether the Lakers would do the trade, so it's pretty important what the Lakers think. I didn't look into a crystal ball and guarantee that Ingram will be better than Oladipo. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to player development, and believe me, I want Oladipo to become the better player as much as you do. It's just that right now, Ingram is perceived around the league as having a greater chance of becoming a star, which is why he has more trade value. Therefore, the Lakers wouldn't do the trade.

[Mc-o]

Yah would love to know the results.

I didn't mean I'll post it , I could care less what they think , I meant we will see how Ingram turns out compared to Dipo . Lakers going to be losing along time with Ingram


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The discussion was about whether the Lakers would do the trade, so it's pretty important what the Lakers think. I didn't look into a crystal ball and guarantee that Ingram will be better than Oladipo. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to player development, and believe me, I want Oladipo to become the better player as much as you do. It's just that right now, Ingram is perceived around the league as having a greater chance of becoming a star, which is why he has more trade value. Therefore, the Lakers wouldn't do the trade.

But asking their fans doesn't mean asking there team , we will never know if they do that trade because rob would never offer them that ,


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[Un4given]

What would you like to see the team do?

Don't blew it up and stay patient. I can't see us becoming contender over one summer. So, spend Your money wise or rather keep it in You pockets, stay flexible and give Vogel a season to take a closer look at our assets. Reaching playoffs while playing AG/Dipo/Hezonja/Elf at least 30 or near 30 minutes per game would be A+ season imo.

Draft: Who to draft, or what to do with the draft pick?

Take some risk here. There no obvious choice at 11th so go for the ceiling, even if pick is going to be stashed or spend most of his rookie year in D-League. I like an idea of trading our pick for two of them if possible (obviously making Denver and Boston ideal partners). In no particular order Korkmaz, Maker, Zubac, Zizic, Zhou, Baldwin (probably forget someone) all look like steal potentials into this one and I believe in Henny when it comes to judging talents.

Free Agency: Who to sign, who to let go?

C, SF & PG are probably the positions we should invest into.
Personally, I can see small forward spot as only one worth longterm investment making Batum or Parsons our priorities, especially if they could be brought for something less than max with option to match Fournier as a legitimate plan B.
I really liked an idea of snatching Biyombo at 10M- per year but his stocks have raised so I don't think it would be possible now so I'm more open to signing a veteran backup (Noah, Mahinmi, maybe even someone really cheap as Hibbert considering his history under Vogel) on a 1 + 1 deal then splashing starters money on someone who is unsure thing like Whiteside or Biyombo.
I don't like PG FA market since I don't believe we have a shot on Conley so once again I would be satisfied with 1 + 1 veteran to share minutes with Elf. Lin seems like an obvious choice but I would consider Rondo, especially because he could become a perfect mentor for Elf.

Trades: Any trades?

I could see us acquiring some assets from someone who needs short term help with cap space but if we make any major move, quite sure it would come during the season rather than now. I would be ready to pay future second for someone as Bojan Bogdanovic for instance if Nets decide they having a valid chance of attracting two max free agents and need some extra space.

Final Roster: Up to you.

Assuming:
we let everyone not guarantied go except Nicholson (13M/3y deal) & Dedmon (7M/3y)
Sign Batum (80M/4y)
Sign Lin (12M/2y PO)
Sign Noah (25M/2y PO)
Draft Korkmaz @ 16 via Boston (stash)
Draft Maker @ 23 via Boston

C: Vucevic 28mpg/Noah 20
PF: AG 32/Nicholson 10/Vooch 6
SF: Batum 34/Hezonja 14
SG: Oladipo 34/Hezonja 14
PG: Elf 30/Lin 18

Dedmon/Watson/Maker (when not in D-League)/Marble as end of the bench rotation guys

Maybe not much of an improvement on a first sight but I'm expecting everyone to make at least step forward compared to their '15/'16 season under Vogel with all three signings being better players and fit than their peers.

still 20M under the cap so could be upgraded easily a bit more (or more probably those acquisitions would cost a bit more than I was hoping for)

Hopefully a PO contender but I'm hoping that we could come close of being one superstar from becoming a contender entering '16/'17 offseason and Henny should have assets to make that final step(s)

[Landshark]

I didn't mean I'll post it , I could care less what they think , I meant we will see how Ingram turns out compared to Dipo . Lakers going to be losing along time with Ingram


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The discussion was about whether the Lakers would do the trade, so it's pretty important what the Lakers think. I didn't look into a crystal ball and guarantee that Ingram will be better than Oladipo. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to player development, and believe me, I want Oladipo to become the better player as much as you do. It's just that right now, Ingram is perceived around the league as having a greater chance of becoming a star, which is why he has more trade value. Therefore, the Lakers wouldn't do the trade.

But asking their fans doesn't mean asking there team , we will never know if they do that trade because rob would never offer them that ,


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In that case, forum posters should never discuss hypothetical scenarios since none of us can verify them with any GMs. Lakers fans aren't Mitch Kupchak, but they at least follow their team regularly, are more familiar with their team, and view things from a different perspective. Fans of other teams also ask us about trade scenarios when we're involved. But it sounds like you already know how Lakers fans would respond anyway.

[Patrick1978]

https://youtu.be/HJmeZms-BbA

As coach Vogel talked of going After tough players
I think they should go After mirza teletovic.
Though veteran who plays hard,offers Floor spacing,rebounds and runs the floor.
Other good Veterans i would like to sign with Orlando
Jeff green /luol deng
Joakim Noah /ian mahinmi

[Von Bismarck]

I would also agree on Teletovic but the problem with him is that he cannot guard a chair, seriously. He wasn't capable of playing decent defense when he was younger, let alone now when he's older and slower.

Do we really want a stretch 4 that plays bad defense? We already have that in Illyasova.

We need to resign Nicholson, that's the best option for backup 4.

[Patrick1978]

I would also agree on Teletovic but the problem with him is that he cannot guard a chair, seriously. He wasn't capable of playing decent defense when he was younger, let alone now when he's older and slower.

Do we really want a stretch 4 that plays bad defense? We already have that in Illyasova.

We need to resign Nicholson, that's the best option for backup 4.

We could sign luol deng or jeff green
Or find a backup pf in the draft

[Von Bismarck]

I would also agree on Teletovic but the problem with him is that he cannot guard a chair, seriously. He wasn't capable of playing decent defense when he was younger, let alone now when he's older and slower.

Do we really want a stretch 4 that plays bad defense? We already have that in Illyasova.

We need to resign Nicholson, that's the best option for backup 4.

We could sign luol deng or jeff green
Or find a backup pf in the draft

Either that or resign Nicholson, I'm fine with both. I just can't see Deng, Green or even Noah coming here. They will either stay where they are or sign for a contender. They will also ask that kind of money that we simply can't and won't offer for a backup player.

But yeah, I'd draft our backup 4.

[Patrick1978]

I would also agree on Teletovic but the problem with him is that he cannot guard a chair, seriously. He wasn't capable of playing decent defense when he was younger, let alone now when he's older and slower.

Do we really want a stretch 4 that plays bad defense? We already have that in Illyasova.

We need to resign Nicholson, that's the best option for backup 4.

We could sign luol deng or jeff green
Or find a backup pf in the draft

Either that or resign Nicholson, I'm fine with both. I just can't see Deng, Green or even Noah coming here. They will either stay where they are or sign for a contender. They will also ask that kind of money that we simply can't and won't offer for a backup player.

But yeah, I'd draft our backup 4.

Deyonta Davis

[Patrick1978]

Or sign ryan anderson

[OrlandoDream]

I would also agree on Teletovic but the problem with him is that he cannot guard a chair, seriously. He wasn't capable of playing decent defense when he was younger, let alone now when he's older and slower.

Do we really want a stretch 4 that plays bad defense? We already have that in Illyasova.

We need to resign Nicholson, that's the best option for backup 4.

We could sign luol deng or jeff green
Or find a backup pf in the draft

Would love to have Luol Deng but I don't see him leaving Heat unless they miraculously sign Durant.

[eyriq]

Guys I like that can shore up our rotation without upsetting the young core:

Pachulia and Mahinmi
Marvin Williams, Ryno, and David West
Joe Johnson

Star caliber players I like that can be trusted to end up top 3 in MPG and FGA, i.e. core player:

Horford, Howard
Luol Deng
Batum
Conley

If we can swing two from the rotation quality group and one from the star quality group I'd be a happy camper.

Say something like Batum, Pachulia, and Ryan Anderson.

Let all our free agents walk except for Fournier and maybe Dedmon.

Roll out with a starting unit of Payton|Oladipo|Batum|Gordon|Vucevic
with the next 4 being Hezonja|Fournier|Anderson|Pachulia

[Patrick1978]

Guys I like that can shore up our rotation without upsetting the young core:

Pachulia and Mahinmi
Marvin Williams, Ryno, and David West
Joe Johnson

Star caliber players I like that can be trusted to end up top 3 in MPG and FGA, i.e. core player:

Horford, Howard
Luol Deng
Batum
Conley

If we can swing two from the rotation quality group and one from the star quality group I'd be a happy camper.

Say something like Batum, Pachulia, and Ryan Anderson.

Let all our free agents walk except for Fournier and maybe Dedmon.

Roll out with a starting unit of Payton|Oladipo|Batum|Gordon|Vucevic
with the next 4 being Hezonja|Fournier|Anderson|Pachulia

Nice roster
Who do you Draft?

[eyriq]

Guys I like that can shore up our rotation without upsetting the young core:

Pachulia and Mahinmi
Marvin Williams, Ryno, and David West
Joe Johnson

Star caliber players I like that can be trusted to end up top 3 in MPG and FGA, i.e. core player:

Horford, Howard
Luol Deng
Batum
Conley

If we can swing two from the rotation quality group and one from the star quality group I'd be a happy camper.

Say something like Batum, Pachulia, and Ryan Anderson.

Let all our free agents walk except for Fournier and maybe Dedmon.

Roll out with a starting unit of Payton|Oladipo|Batum|Gordon|Vucevic
with the next 4 being Hezonja|Fournier|Anderson|Pachulia

Nice roster
Who do you Draft?

No clue. Have not researched the draft at all