Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV

[Papi_swav]

Troy Average got what he deserved. Karma came back to bite him.

First it was dissing Capital Steez after he committed suicide. He then had that same guy who was shot and killed attack ilovemakonnen at a concert. And now he basically brought back a dark cloud on rap concerts in NYC for no real reason.

The Makonnen thing was goofy to me. Low quality stills of a dude that looks like someone with BSB isn't proof IMO especially when they said they talked to OVO and cleared everything up and OVO didn't dispute that.

The Steez stuff was crazy though. I don't feel sad for anyone grown who kills themselves but there's no need to talk bad about a man who can't defend himself. Dissing him in the song was cool because beef is beef but the interview was bad.

All that said I don't understand why so many people are finding enjoyment in this man catching a case. The Gucci jokes are funny but too many people are too happy to see another successful black man fail. This isn't karma his karma is in his album sales. I remember when Shmurda got arrested I didn't feel bad for him at all since I know people from his block and heard about dude. This isn't that.

Some of y'all may know that it was near impossible for rappers to even perform at Irving plaza. There was mad opposition to have rappers hold concerts there. It was only through T.I's connection with roc nation and thus live nation that this concert was even scheduled.

Troy ave ain't bout that life. If he felt he needed to carry a gun to this concert, he and his entourage shouldn't have attended.

Go join shmurda in jail.


Sent from the phish tank

He's clearly about that life and as someone about that life he was going to perform and not let **** scare him out a show. Sad it ended up this way for him though. I'm not a fan and I personally think he's a piece of crap but this is sad.

I co-sign this, it's really sad that people are happy this is happening to him regardless of what he said about Steez. I think he got caught up and let the emotions get the best of him. Somebody shot at him and his crew, he ran back in the club without thinking and shot back in retaliation not even thinking about cameras and witnesses being everywhere. It's a messed up situation because I don't see anyway he don't do good time for this. This reminds me of the C-murder or Shyne situation. Might be best for him to take the plea

[IllmaticHandler]

If you Think Troy Ave is about that Life then you don't know real Street Life.

Troy Ave is easily one of the lamest and fakest Brooklyn Artist Ever. Troy Ave Tries to hard to act tough, and real goons know this. he tried to live up to his fake guy act, and let the heat blow inside a Club. If you about that Life, then you not that stupid, you handle that drama in another location. Guns are inside of clubs and venues all the time, but heads know cameras is everywhere, and you not pulling out at least to fire it off, especially since pulling a gun out in front of that many eyeballs, someone will snitch on you. Any Thug worth his weight in the streets knows that Troy Ave played himself. It looks like dude even Killed his Homie.SMH. He shot hisself. That means he don't know how to really handle a gun. If he had that **** off safety inside the club then he REALLY dumb. Its the only way I can see him popping himself since the NYPD claims he did it. The NYPD is not even reporting that someone fired on him yet. They keep saying he was in a fist fight and did all this. If true, then he was Fronting, on a new level that fronting has never been on before. So much Fronting that he lost his freedom for mad years. If this was a fist fight and he pulled out and fired in a club, then his street officialness went down to -0.


Troy Ave threw it all away cause he thought he was in Belly and you can bust off in a club and get away. Word is Bond that dude is STRESSED THE **** OUT RIGHT NOW. NYC is going to HANG HIM. The Gun alone is like 3 years. And Firing off in a crowd room can be 10+. They also may charge him with murder when the Ballistics come back for supposedly killing his friend in the chaos.


Troy is def not really about that Life. He about that Instagram Youtube Twitter life, cause he wanted to try to act like he really that dude...but if he was really that dude, he would have handled it different. He claims he has shooters, well he proved that wrong. Troy ave would take EVERYTHING back right now. Troy Ave not respected in Brooklyn like he claim. The boro don't hold him down like that. If so, his songs would be bigger.


There is a reason why the real goon rappers or just regular goons are not letting off shots in a clubs like that. 9/10 every shooting happens outside. This a pure example of when keeping it real goes wrong.

[JBreezeNY]

If you Think Troy Ave is about that Life then you don't know real Street Life.

Troy Ave is easily one of the lamest and fakest Brooklyn Artist Ever. Troy Ave Tries to hard to act tough, and real goons know this. he tried to live up to his fake guy act, and let the heat blow inside a Club. If you about that Life, then you not that stupid, you handle that drama in another location. Guns are inside of clubs and venues all the time, but heads know cameras is everywhere, and you not pulling out at least to fire it off, especially since pulling a gun out in front of that many eyeballs, someone will snitch on you. Any Thug worth his weight in the streets knows that Troy Ave played himself. It looks like dude even Killed his Homie.SMH. He shot hisself. That means he don't know how to really handle a gun. If he had that **** off safety inside the club then he REALLY dumb. Its the only way I can see him popping himself since the NYPD claims he did it. The NYPD is not even reporting that someone fired on him yet. They keep saying he was in a fist fight and did all this. If true, then he was Fronting, on a new level that fronting has never been on before. So much Fronting that he lost his freedom for mad years. If this was a fist fight and he pulled out and fired in a club, then his street officialness went down to -0.


Troy Ave threw it all away cause he thought he was in Belly and you can bust off in a club and get away. Word is Bond that dude is STRESSED THE **** OUT RIGHT NOW. NYC is going to HANG HIM. The Gun alone is like 3 years. And Firing off in a crowd room can be 10+. They also may charge him with murder when the Ballistics come back for supposedly killing his friend in the chaos.


Troy is def not really about that Life. He about that Instagram Youtube Twitter life, cause he wanted to try to act like he really that dude...but if he was really that dude, he would have handled it different. He claims he has shooters, well he proved that wrong. Troy ave would take EVERYTHING back right now. Troy Ave not respected in Brooklyn like he claim. The boro don't hold him down like that. If so, his songs would be bigger.


There is a reason why the real goon rappers or just regular goons are not letting off shots in a clubs like that. 9/10 every shooting happens outside. This a pure example of when keeping it real goes wrong.

I'm not gonna get into whether Troy is real or not cuz I heard some things about him years ago.

Especially his boy Lito.

But he didn't shoot himself or his friend. When he let the shot go off in the video he cocked his hammer.

I don't need to explain what that means cuz you from the hood as well.

I'm waiting till I hear all the details but I hope homie heals up & everything is straight with him.

[IllmaticHandler]

If you Think Troy Ave is about that Life then you don't know real Street Life.

Troy Ave is easily one of the lamest and fakest Brooklyn Artist Ever. Troy Ave Tries to hard to act tough, and real goons know this. he tried to live up to his fake guy act, and let the heat blow inside a Club. If you about that Life, then you not that stupid, you handle that drama in another location. Guns are inside of clubs and venues all the time, but heads know cameras is everywhere, and you not pulling out at least to fire it off, especially since pulling a gun out in front of that many eyeballs, someone will snitch on you. Any Thug worth his weight in the streets knows that Troy Ave played himself. It looks like dude even Killed his Homie.SMH. He shot hisself. That means he don't know how to really handle a gun. If he had that **** off safety inside the club then he REALLY dumb. Its the only way I can see him popping himself since the NYPD claims he did it. The NYPD is not even reporting that someone fired on him yet. They keep saying he was in a fist fight and did all this. If true, then he was Fronting, on a new level that fronting has never been on before. So much Fronting that he lost his freedom for mad years. If this was a fist fight and he pulled out and fired in a club, then his street officialness went down to -0.


Troy Ave threw it all away cause he thought he was in Belly and you can bust off in a club and get away. Word is Bond that dude is STRESSED THE **** OUT RIGHT NOW. NYC is going to HANG HIM. The Gun alone is like 3 years. And Firing off in a crowd room can be 10+. They also may charge him with murder when the Ballistics come back for supposedly killing his friend in the chaos.


Troy is def not really about that Life. He about that Instagram Youtube Twitter life, cause he wanted to try to act like he really that dude...but if he was really that dude, he would have handled it different. He claims he has shooters, well he proved that wrong. Troy ave would take EVERYTHING back right now. Troy Ave not respected in Brooklyn like he claim. The boro don't hold him down like that. If so, his songs would be bigger.


There is a reason why the real goon rappers or just regular goons are not letting off shots in a clubs like that. 9/10 every shooting happens outside. This a pure example of when keeping it real goes wrong.

I'm not gonna get into whether Troy is real or not cuz I heard some things about him years ago.

Especially his boy Lito.

But he didn't shoot himself or his friend. When he let the shot go off in the video he cocked his hammer.

I don't need to explain what that means cuz you from the hood as well.

I'm waiting till I hear all the details but I hope homie heals up & everything is straight with him.

I agree more details need to come out,but....

Troy Ave is not that dude. His name was never ringing before he came out. I will give him huslter credit. He knew how to get money. But a true Brooklyn Goon? not at all. rappers like Maino and Uncle Murda had reps that left they hood . I remember Troy Ave from over 10 years ago. When he was rhyming over kriss kross beats. Troy Ave is a Goon cause he may have a team, but he not one of them dudes that made his name thugging for dolo. I dont care about his mans, i am speaking on HIM.


How you know he did not shoot himself. I know As it stands now they are reporting he shot himself. Can you find one report of him actually being fired on? Also when a gun jams you have to RECOCK IT. He could have shot himself, and then it jammed. He DID COME OUT POINTING, a if he expected it to FIRE.

[JBreezeNY]

If you Think Troy Ave is about that Life then you don't know real Street Life.

Troy Ave is easily one of the lamest and fakest Brooklyn Artist Ever. Troy Ave Tries to hard to act tough, and real goons know this. he tried to live up to his fake guy act, and let the heat blow inside a Club. If you about that Life, then you not that stupid, you handle that drama in another location. Guns are inside of clubs and venues all the time, but heads know cameras is everywhere, and you not pulling out at least to fire it off, especially since pulling a gun out in front of that many eyeballs, someone will snitch on you. Any Thug worth his weight in the streets knows that Troy Ave played himself. It looks like dude even Killed his Homie.SMH. He shot hisself. That means he don't know how to really handle a gun. If he had that **** off safety inside the club then he REALLY dumb. Its the only way I can see him popping himself since the NYPD claims he did it. The NYPD is not even reporting that someone fired on him yet. They keep saying he was in a fist fight and did all this. If true, then he was Fronting, on a new level that fronting has never been on before. So much Fronting that he lost his freedom for mad years. If this was a fist fight and he pulled out and fired in a club, then his street officialness went down to -0.


Troy Ave threw it all away cause he thought he was in Belly and you can bust off in a club and get away. Word is Bond that dude is STRESSED THE **** OUT RIGHT NOW. NYC is going to HANG HIM. The Gun alone is like 3 years. And Firing off in a crowd room can be 10+. They also may charge him with murder when the Ballistics come back for supposedly killing his friend in the chaos.


Troy is def not really about that Life. He about that Instagram Youtube Twitter life, cause he wanted to try to act like he really that dude...but if he was really that dude, he would have handled it different. He claims he has shooters, well he proved that wrong. Troy ave would take EVERYTHING back right now. Troy Ave not respected in Brooklyn like he claim. The boro don't hold him down like that. If so, his songs would be bigger.


There is a reason why the real goon rappers or just regular goons are not letting off shots in a clubs like that. 9/10 every shooting happens outside. This a pure example of when keeping it real goes wrong.

I'm not gonna get into whether Troy is real or not cuz I heard some things about him years ago.

Especially his boy Lito.

But he didn't shoot himself or his friend. When he let the shot go off in the video he cocked his hammer.

I don't need to explain what that means cuz you from the hood as well.

I'm waiting till I hear all the details but I hope homie heals up & everything is straight with him.

I agree more details need to come out,but....

Troy Ave is not that dude. His name was never ringing before he came out. I will give him huslter credit. He knew how to get money. But a true Brooklyn Goon? not at all. rappers like Maino and Uncle Murda had reps that left they hood . I remember Troy Ave from over 10 years ago. When he was rhyming over kriss kross beats. Troy Ave is a Goon cause he may have a team, but he not one of them dudes that made his name thugging for dolo. I dont care about his mans, i am speaking on HIM.


How you know he did not shoot himself. I know As it stands now they are reporting he shot himself. Can you find one report of him actually being fired on?

Well yeah him dolo he wasn't making noise, he always had his team around him. His name came up mainly cuz of his squad.

@ him rapping on Kriss Kross beats, yes I can tell you a old head, most people don't remember that era from Troy. He used to rap like a bootleg Jeezy/Ross too.

And he didn't shoot himself because he cocked his gun, it's impossible to shoot yourself if you did that. I can't find any reports but going off the video & what they're reporting ain't adding up.

[IllmaticHandler]

I think you may want to slow down. Looks like I was correct. This JUST came out.

Police continue to investigate a deadly shooting that left one man dead and three others injured, including rapper Troy Ave, during a concert in Manhattan on Wednesday (May 25).

Troy Ave, born Roland Collins, will be charged with attempted murder when he is discharged from NYU Medical Center, where he is being treating for a gunshot wound to the leg.

Detectives believe Troy Ave shot himself, as well as three other people, after a fist fight turned into gunplay backstage at Irving Plaza.

The man killed in the ordeal was named Ronald “Banga” McPhatter, who was reportedly a close associate and childhood friend of Troy Ave.

Police have ruled out a feud with Maino as the source of the violence. Instead, detectives are investigating if the dispute was connected to tensions with another person or parties.

So far, Troy Ave is the only suspect in the shooting.

Police have tested all five of the shell casings recovered and four of them brought back results that were consistent with the weapon Troy Ave was captured on video firing.

“We have one gun right now and one gun only,” said NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce.

The police are still trying to determine if any rounds were fired from another weapon, which may have been a revolver. At the moment, all of the evidence points to Troy Ave according to Detective Boyce.

“We have (Collins) on tape. carrying we believe that same gun,” Detectives Boyce said. “I will say that shell casing you saw that was fired is in line with other shell casings recovered inside the VIP room.”

Meanwhile, it was just reported that Maino’s girlfriend was one of the victims of the deadly shooting.

A representative for Maggie Heckstall told ABC7 that she was shot in the knee and has already undergone several complex surgeries. Heckstall’s rep said she planned to sue all of the parties involved.

[IllmaticHandler]

Police get motives, witnesses etc like that wrong. But Forensics is usally always on the money. I dont think the police would keep reporting he shot himself, unless he did. It explains why he was seen cocking the gun. He clearly is bloody by his knee area, if that is the case, then to me, it means the Gun Jammed, when he see him appear on camera. The Jeans are Proof that it had to go off before we see him. Not one police source says he was shot by anyone.

[E-Balla]

I just hate rappers acting a fool and behaving like savages. It gives all of these racist mofos the ammunition they need to fuel their preconceived notions of minorities. You don't see musicians in any other genre getting involved in this f*ckery. Yo Yo Ma isn't out there trying to run up on Michael Bach. Slash isn't trying to kill Bryan May. Garth Brooks isn't going after Blake Shelton. It's just so embarrassing to have these ignorant ghetto MFs ruining things for everyone. I'm tired of it.

Racists don't need examples. If you think the behavior of black people has anything to do with our treatment feel bad for you.

[JBreezeNY]

Police get motives, witnesses etc like that wrong. But Forensics is usally always on the money. I dont think the police would keep reporting he shot himself, unless he did. It explains why he was seen cocking the gun. He clearly is bloody by his knee area, if that is the case, then to me, it means the Gun Jammed, when he see him appear on camera. The Jeans are Proof that it had to go off before we see him. Not one police source says he was shot by anyone.

The police originally said he was the one that was dead (Banga, 33). I'm not going to take the oh so great NYPD's reports as 100% factual until everything has come out.

All I'm stating fam is that it doesn't seem possible or probable that he shot himself because if we're going by the reports that all shots fired came from him then that means he shot his boy, he shot himself & he shot his girl.

You tell me how much sense that makes.

As you quoted from that article, the police are still looking for other guns that may have been used.

I'm just going to continue waiting.

[IllmaticHandler]

Police get motives, witnesses etc like that wrong. But Forensics is usally always on the money. I dont think the police would keep reporting he shot himself, unless he did. It explains why he was seen cocking the gun. He clearly is bloody by his knee area, if that is the case, then to me, it means the Gun Jammed, when he see him appear on camera. The Jeans are Proof that it had to go off before we see him. Not one police source says he was shot by anyone.

The police originally said he was the one that was dead (Banga, 33). I'm not going to take the oh so great NYPD's reports as 100% factual until everything has come out.

All I'm stating fam is that it doesn't seem possible or probable that he shot himself because if we're going by the reports that all shots fired came from him then that means he shot his boy, he shot himself & he shot his girl.

You tell me how much sense that makes.

As you quoted from that article, the police are still looking for other guns that may have been used.

I'm just going to continue waiting.

Did the police say that or did the media say that. Cause the Media in some reports was saying he from Brownsville, but the dude from Crown Heights.


Look at it like this. Why would the NYPD be able to tell EVERYONE who was shot, BUT Troy... His man was shot in the stomach and the other two...

One man, who was not involved in the fight, was shot downstairs by a bullet that went through the floor. He was hit in the abdomen, and is likely to recover, said NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce.

A 26-year-old woman also was shot in the leg while in the green room and was taken to Bellevue in stable condition.

NYPD may not be great, but I don't see how they can get this wrong. INTIAL reports is ONE THING...to keep REHASHING the point is another. They are not retracting that he shot himself after two days of investigation. News Reports are already retracting the Maino involvement, but not Troy Shooting himself.

We both agree more needs to come out, but ya man is looking real suspect right now.

[E-Balla]

Police get motives, witnesses etc like that wrong. But Forensics is usally always on the money. I dont think the police would keep reporting he shot himself, unless he did. It explains why he was seen cocking the gun. He clearly is bloody by his knee area, if that is the case, then to me, it means the Gun Jammed, when he see him appear on camera. The Jeans are Proof that it had to go off before we see him. Not one police source says he was shot by anyone.

The police originally said he was the one that was dead (Banga, 33). I'm not going to take the oh so great NYPD's reports as 100% factual until everything has come out.

All I'm stating fam is that it doesn't seem possible or probable that he shot himself because if we're going by the reports that all shots fired came from him then that means he shot his boy, he shot himself & he shot his girl.

You tell me how much sense that makes.

As you quoted from that article, the police are still looking for other guns that may have been used.

I'm just going to continue waiting.

Yeah and the story I heard was that Troy saw Taxstone and they got it popping. They're saying Troy didn't even come in strapped and that he went to get it after Tax's crew pulled their gats out on him for swinging on Tax. Makes sense to me too Tax always talking about Troy losing but he's real quiet on this one.

EDIT: Not saying it's true tho or even that I believe it just that that's the story I heard from my homie.

[Thugger HBC]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QUhi7zuqVA[/youtube]

This man is speaking truth, but most of it doesn't apply to Troy Ave,

[IllmaticHandler]

If all Troy Did was Swing on Him, they what is there to Hide. Unless they are saying Taxstone got bet up, then there is no reason to be quiet on it. A swing on is NOTHING. I never once heard Troy Ave ACTUALLY got Busy with Tax even from the streets. Forget an Internet report. Im a BK dude who is connected. Never once heard anything of him getting beat up.


To show you that tax stone, is not afraid to say he lost to someone, let alone to say he was swung on, watch this video. He admits to losing a fight that he was rumored to have lost. A real dude don't have to front like he lost a fight, and he don't have to keep quiet over a swing on him. Tax stone would have squared up and they would have shot the fifth like that. You think Think Troy would not have gotten his as whipped if he was outnumbered by that many cats AND they had Gats? LOL that makes NO sense. Tax stone is not a chump.


This is the problem with the internet, to much **** be fabricated or to many rumors are spread and people get the info wrong. Im confused on how non street people can speak about things they have no Idea about.



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TatuewH9CLM[/youtube]

[IllmaticHandler]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QUhi7zuqVA[/youtube]

This man is speaking truth, but most of it doesn't apply to Troy Ave,

I know Doggie Diamonds personally. He used to come to Brownsville to check my older Brother. Doggie is speaking the truth, but he also helps promote the Beef. He is being a little contradictory here. He stay posting beefs, and using click bait tittles on Forbez. We don't really speak anymore, mostly cause I told him that before and he took it personal.

[Phish Tank]

Illmatic's right on Troy Average.

People who're bout that life handle their business in silence (duh folks, lasagna). If they got beef, they get others to handle it. If Troy Average was bout that life, he wouldn't be shooting.

[IllmaticHandler]

I am not one of those people who are glad to see Sun locked up.I dont wish Jail on anyone. BK has had mad thug rappers over the years, dudes who banged out in all kinds of places, lost they friends right in front of them, but he the FIRST to let off in a club. I dont count Shine, cause he was a stool for diddy.... Troy claims he a boss, and he has shooters around him. He basically killed his whole movement, cause he was the Head, and now he is done. Everyone who was getting money with BSB, it will dry up now. Nobody will care about his team, they barely cared about him. He better just hope no bullets come back, that says it was his shell that hit his man....that would be the worst possible outcome, and will really kill him inside.

When Troy Ave goes to Rikers Island, we will see how ill he is for real. He claims to have never been caught for anything. Rikers Island will be a culture shock for him. He will be tested just cause he some what famous, and claims to be a goon. He better not sign in protective Custody either. Bobby mad younger than him, and he thugged it out like he was supposed to...The only people I truly feel bad for, is the family of the person who died.

[N8isScofield]

I just hate rappers acting a fool and behaving like savages. It gives all of these racist mofos the ammunition they need to fuel their preconceived notions of minorities. You don't see musicians in any other genre getting involved in this f*ckery. Yo Yo Ma isn't out there trying to run up on Michael Bach. Slash isn't trying to kill Bryan May. Garth Brooks isn't going after Blake Shelton. It's just so embarrassing to have these ignorant ghetto MFs ruining things for everyone. I'm tired of it.

Racists don't need examples. If you think the behavior of black people has anything to do with our treatment feel bad for you.

I'm fully aware of that. However I don't think that perpetuating negative stereotypes is something to condone or celebrate. No need to feel bad for me, I'm good thanks.

[IllmaticHandler]

When a poster brought up Troy confronting Taxstone, I was hinking this was the rumor from last year, which never was true.


now I see On Instagram, There are a like four different versions on this floating all over Instagram on what happened this week. You can't find this on any Valid Blogs or news sites. **** even twitter hardly mentions it. All are reported by cheesy gossip blogs that no one knows on the gram. Well now you know how fast rumors start. If taxstone was there, then he better be quiet. I will say this, if tax stone crew popped off in the club over a fist fight, I lost respect for tax stone and his team.

[EricAnderson]

I know nothing about rappers who came out the last 10 years or so but I heard this Troy ave last night on a replay of a radio show..it was a show that was far removed from the hiphop world and not a show you'd expect a guy like that on..

He talked about how both his parents made a good amount of money and lived in a million dollar brownstone in crown heights but he went into the street life because it was fun.. It was one of the more ignorant interviews I've ever heard..Doesn't surprise me that this could be how it ends for him

[IllmaticHandler]

Jail won't be Fun. I never knew his parents had cake like that.

if his man was shot and he picked up a gun that was on the floor, then I can understand what he was thinking a little more. If true, then the Gun def had to jam,if you we see him cocking it in the video. We Know Troy is not inserting a clip.


If it really was tax crew that he was firing off on, then he should have held fast to settle that back in BK, but I can understand the adrenaline. These are not random cats, you know them, and you can lay and wait for him. That was his Mistake. Its sad, cause dude lost his life over some BS, if really true. Tax and Troy should have just be allowed to square up. The dude who popped off is a clown to the first degree as well. You just made everything HOT.