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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1161 » by Cr0w » Sat May 28, 2016 2:58 pm

Ron Paul ether's Bernie.

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These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1162 » by CharlesOakley » Sat May 28, 2016 3:04 pm

So destroy the environment for money - got it. You believe private companies should be able to profit off the destruction of public lands. I don't. I don't believe oil is the future. The Institute for Energy Research is a Koch brothers company, meaning their numbers cannot be trusted. Keep believing everything this fake feeds you.

Trump is a scammer and con artist. He has declared bankruptcy multiple times. Trump Entertainment Resorts - over a billion in debt, Trump Taj Mahal - destroyed by debt, Trump Club Panama - lost over half its value, two golf courses in Europe - lost money and destroyed natural habitat, Trump Waikiki - ended up empty, Trump International Las Vegas - caught illegally trying to bust his workers union, Trump Baja - took money for a project that never got built and never refunded the money (over $100 million), Trump Baja also violated state and federal law. Trump has also built towers all over. Philadelphia - $300 million gone, Fort Lauderdale - $140 million, Trump Place - lost a billion, Dubai, Charlotte, Tampa, Toronto, New Orleans, Istanbul - all disasters. Trump Tower Chicago - used crooked politicians to get millions in tax breaks. Trump Plaza - lost $80 million and when it was taken over by real businessmen they made $1 billion in profit.

Trump's gambling license in New Jersey was blocked when officials found out about his mafia connections. Trump University stole millions and lied about it. Claimed he had an A rating from the BBB which was refuted. He is under a RICO investigation (usually reserved for organized crime). Trump Shuttle - cost $380 million and collapsed. Trump Steaks - health code violations and collapsed. Trump the Game, Trump Vodka, GoTrump, Trump Magazine, Trump Ice - all failures. Trump Network - a health vitamin scam with false health claims. The network didn't pay its debts and collapsed. One part of the scam was testing women’s urine to see if they had “good estrogen” or “bad estrogen”.

Even in the campaign, he can’t resist his natural impulse to cheat and lie. The rules for the campaign debates say you can’t run into the back during a break with a cellphone and get policy answers from your staff. But they caught Trump doing exactly that, and then they caught him actually meeting a staffer in person backstage. When they were confronted, Trump refused to send the staffer away.

Trump has lied about virtually every aspect of how he made his fortune, including how much he inherited, and how much money he turned it into, and his brand valuation, and how he used junk bonds. You are falling for his biggest scam of all.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1163 » by Cr0w » Sat May 28, 2016 3:17 pm

Stop it. You're losing it.

Trump himself has never been close to out of money. A few of his businesses haven't made it. As an entrepenuer he's has countless amounts of businesses and in that world, some sink and some swim.

If the best businessman in the world invests in enough businesses, some of them will be expected to go bankrupt. Just the law of averages.

What you're saying is like saying Steph Curry isn't a good 3 point shooter because he misses 3s sometimes.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1164 » by Cr0w » Sat May 28, 2016 3:24 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:Even in the campaign, he can’t resist his natural impulse to cheat and lie. The rules for the campaign debates say you can’t run into the back during a break with a cellphone and get policy answers from your staff. But they caught Trump doing exactly that, and then they caught him actually meeting a staffer in person backstage. When they were confronted, Trump refused to send the staffer away.


Take this into consideration then stack this up to Hillary who has had a complete criminal career as a politician. Flip flopping all over the place and lining her friends pockets.

Remember, Hillary was staunchly against gay marriage until it became politically safe to move the other way. Does this woman actually have a personal set of ethics herself? Look at the nonchalant way she dismisses bengazi questions with hatefulness and disgust. It might be politics for her but she ruined lives because of her crimes. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Bringing up flimsy crap like you do with Trump does not even begin to stack up to what Hillary's done and will ramp up as President. If she didn't have the Clinton name attached to her she would be rotting in a prison right now.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1165 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat May 28, 2016 3:46 pm

Cr0w wrote:Ron Paul ether's Bernie.

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Bernie in 2011-
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?


You mean THIS Ron Paul?

http://progressiveissue.com/ron-paul-says-ted-cruz-is-no-libertarian-and-bernie-sanders-is-the-most-free-market/

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Now that Rand Paul is out of the race for the White House his father Ron Paul, who ran in 2008 and 2012, isn’t impressed by Ted Cruz’s attempts to pick up the “free market” libertarian banner.

“You take a guy like Cruz, people are liking the Cruz — they think he’s for the free market, and [in reality] he’s owned by Goldman Sachs. I mean, he and Hillary have more in common than we would have with either Cruz or Trump or any of them so I just don’t think there is much picking,” Paul said of the Texas senator on Fox Business’ “Varney & Company” on Friday.

Surprisingly, the elder Paul seemed more attracted to the views of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is giving Hillary Clinton a run for her money in the Democratic primary.

“On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war,” the former Texas congressman said when asked if there was a candidate who was truly for the free market.


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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1166 » by Cr0w » Sat May 28, 2016 3:51 pm

“On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war,” the former Texas congressman said when asked if there was a candidate who was truly for the free market."


Doesn't really conflict with his dig at Sanders. You're worse than NY beat writers regarding using misleading article titles.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1167 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Sat May 28, 2016 4:17 pm

Cr0w wrote:An American First Energy Plan ~ May 26, 2016

Throughout this plan he first states more than a few different ways Obama and Hillary have purposely disregarded economic opportunities that would've been excellent for the United States and its citizens.

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http://www.vox.com/2016/5/26/11788374/donald-trump-energy-speech

Pretty much everything Trump said in his energy speech was incorrect.

In 2015, the US produces more gas and Natural gas than Russia and the Saudis

Thanks fracking!

We produce 74% of the energy our country needs and even if we produced 100%. An expansion into federal lands and We would still be tied to the global market just like Canada(who produces 100% of their energy needs).

Because of fracking the price is down on natural gas, that it's cheaper than coal. Even if Trump repealed the EPA regulations, it would be unlikely that these companies would want to switch back to coal. In the same speech, Trump even wants to expand natural gas productions, hurting the coal industry even more! Another huge problem for the coal industry, is China slowing demand for steel.

At least Hillary has proposed a 30 billion dollar plan to help these mining communities transition to another industry after coal becomes a thing of the past.

He uses that ridiculous statistic about wind turbines killing birds in California, it's straight out of the Carly Fiorina book of lies. When cats, windows, and power lines all kill more birds than wind turbines.

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So glad he decided to bring up the Keystone pipeline and all the jobs it cost America :crazy: :noway: :banghead:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/feb/10/van-jones/cnns-van-jones-says-keystone-pipeline-only-creates/

According to politifact, The pipeline would have created around 3,900 construction jobs and 35 permanent jobs. The article gives a break down of the State Dept. briefing on the pipeline and why that 42,000 is a cherry picked statistic.

I wanted to vote for Trump because I don't like Hildawg. He just makes it impossible to vote for someone that just has no clue about diplomacy and how global economics works.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1168 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat May 28, 2016 4:28 pm

Cr0w wrote:
“On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war,” the former Texas congressman said when asked if there was a candidate who was truly for the free market."


Doesn't really conflict with his dig at Sanders. You're worse than NY beat writers regarding using misleading article titles.


Yes it does. Paul supports Bernie's free market economy over that of Trump or Cruz. Venezuela is irrelevant. Perhaps you should check out how the other democratic/socialist countries like Norway, Canada, Denmark and Sweden are doing.

http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1169 » by Cr0w » Sat May 28, 2016 4:33 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Cr0w wrote:
“On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war,” the former Texas congressman said when asked if there was a candidate who was truly for the free market."


Doesn't really conflict with his dig at Sanders. You're worse than NY beat writers regarding using misleading article titles.


Yes it does. Paul supports Bernie's free market economy over that of Trump or Cruz. Venezuela is irrelevant. Perhaps you should check out how the other democratic/socialist countries like Norway, Canada, Denmark and Sweden are doing.

http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/


:lol:

You're hearing what you want to hear. I have similar views towards Bernie. There's a couple of small things he gets right but the big things he gets totally wrong make him a disaster. As far as slamming Cruz and Trump, your quote was in the middle of the primary when he was trying to siphon votes from them.

Good example with Sweden. Will that even still be a country in 20 years? Canada will be irreparably damaged by then too. Socialism has shown to be incredibly destructive and the idea of mimicking what is already failing around the world is close to mental illness.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1170 » by Rasho Brezec » Sat May 28, 2016 4:38 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Cr0w wrote:
“On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war,” the former Texas congressman said when asked if there was a candidate who was truly for the free market."


Doesn't really conflict with his dig at Sanders. You're worse than NY beat writers regarding using misleading article titles.


Yes it does. Paul supports Bernie's free market economy over that of Trump or Cruz. Venezuela is irrelevant. Perhaps you should check out how the other democratic/socialist countries like Norway, Canada, Denmark and Sweden are doing.

http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

The only socialist country you mentioned is Venezuela.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1171 » by knicksrbake » Sat May 28, 2016 4:44 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Cr0w wrote:
“On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war,” the former Texas congressman said when asked if there was a candidate who was truly for the free market."


Doesn't really conflict with his dig at Sanders. You're worse than NY beat writers regarding using misleading article titles.


Yes it does. Paul supports Bernie's free market economy over that of Trump or Cruz. Venezuela is irrelevant. Perhaps you should check out how the other democratic/socialist countries like Norway, Canada, Denmark and Sweden are doing.

http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

Not sure if you're aware, but Canada's currency has gone to the gutters.

As for Sweden, let us please not mention that place. Their "progressive" politics have caused them so much harm, especially by letting in the refugees. Not even going to get into what the refugees are doing there.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1172 » by CharlesOakley » Sat May 28, 2016 5:02 pm

It's funny - everyone arguing the pro-Trump side in here does so without any data or facts. When facts are presented, they are ignored. Sanders and Hillary aren't really the point of this thread but comparing democratic socialism with socialism is apples and oranges - a distinction Paul is happy to blur. I'm not concerned that many of Trump's businesses have failed. This is normal even for successful businessmen. However, I am concerned that Trump has routine lied, cheated and bribed his way through all of his business deals.

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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1173 » by CharlesOakley » Sat May 28, 2016 5:11 pm

knicksrbake wrote:The 14th amendment was applied to slaves and those in the country legally. This is an issue that is currently being addressed in court, and the outcome will likely correct the issue: anchor babies are not citizens.

It's hilarious how all of those against Trump are against him from an emotional standpoint. Take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that it's going to be Trump vs. Shillary, and you can either vote for someone who has a sound economic plan in place for revitalizing the lower and middle classes who have been getting shafted for the past who knows how long, or you could put a corporate puppet in office who has a history of being a compulsive liar and is a war criminal.

Open your eyes.


Looks like you don't understand how difficult it is to overturn an amendment to the constitution. The language is pretty clear as much as your Republican overlords tell you different. Trump is also a compulsive liar so not sure the distinction you are trying to make.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1174 » by knicksrbake » Sat May 28, 2016 5:25 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:
knicksrbake wrote:The 14th amendment was applied to slaves and those in the country legally. This is an issue that is currently being addressed in court, and the outcome will likely correct the issue: anchor babies are not citizens.

It's hilarious how all of those against Trump are against him from an emotional standpoint. Take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that it's going to be Trump vs. Shillary, and you can either vote for someone who has a sound economic plan in place for revitalizing the lower and middle classes who have been getting shafted for the past who knows how long, or you could put a corporate puppet in office who has a history of being a compulsive liar and is a war criminal.

Open your eyes.


Looks like you don't understand how difficult it is to overturn an amendment to the constitution. The language is pretty clear as much as your Republican overlords tell you different. Trump is also a compulsive liar so not sure the distinction you are trying to make.

They don't need to overturn the amendment, they just need to change the current interpretation of the citizenship clause.

It's funny that you mention my "Republican overlords," considering that I don't identify my beliefs by partisan lines, and about 4-5 years ago I was probably more liberal than you are. No need to fire shots at me, just look at the reality here: it's Trump vs. Hillary. If you think Hillary is the better candidate, then by all means, vote for her.

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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1175 » by Rasho Brezec » Sat May 28, 2016 5:32 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:It's funny - everyone arguing the pro-Trump side in here does so without any data or facts. When facts are presented, they are ignored. Sanders and Hillary aren't really the point of this thread but comparing democratic socialism with socialism is apples and oranges - a distinction Paul is happy to blur. I'm not concerned that many of Trump's businesses have failed. This is normal even for successful businessmen. However, I am concerned that Trump has routine lied, cheated and bribed his way through all of his business deals.

https://www.facebook.com/motherjones/videos/10153777810687144/

There is no democratic socialism. The term itself is a paradox. There can't be any democracy in a system where government controls means of production.
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Post#1176 » by knicksrbake » Sat May 28, 2016 5:36 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:It's funny - everyone arguing the pro-Trump side in here does so without any data or facts. When facts are presented, they are ignored. Sanders and Hillary aren't really the point of this thread but comparing democratic socialism with socialism is apples and oranges - a distinction Paul is happy to blur. I'm not concerned that many of Trump's businesses have failed. This is normal even for successful businessmen. However, I am concerned that Trump has routine lied, cheated and bribed his way through all of his business deals.

https://www.facebook.com/motherjones/videos/10153777810687144/

Mind = blown with that video there. The speech is of Trump getting rid of people causing havoc at his rallies, and these people draw a connection to Civil Rights incidents? Really? It's hilarious how everyone labels Trump and his supports as being racist, and yet they're the first ones to bring up race.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1177 » by CharlesOakley » Sat May 28, 2016 6:05 pm

I hate Hillary. I honestly wish I could vote for someone else. However, I won't vote for Trump no matter what bs he shovels. He has been a liar and a cheat his whole career. He cares only for himself. He is a bully, a racist, and a misogynist. He has zero tact. He has done nothing but bring the worst out of our country. Many of his followers terrify me. His rhetoric is dangerous. I don't trust him with our foreign policies or our military. I don't think he has any kind of understanding of the Constitution, politics or the law.

I have some faith that as much as I dislike Hillary that her policies will be similar to Obama's. She isn't going to overturn Roe v. Wade. She isn't going to change the constitution. She believes in climate change. I really don't understand how anyone can support a climate change denier as president. Seriously, can any Trump supporter explain why they don't think planetary extinction is important?

There are just too many deal breakers for me. I try not to vote with the Klan. I happen to like and respect a lot of women. I think all people should be respected. I don't care how anyone self-identifies or what bathroom they use. Even if I could overlook all of that and even if I agreed with Trump's policies, I would still have to trust Trump to do what he says. He has no track record in politics. He has no voting record. He won't even show his tax returns. Why should I take anything he says at face value?
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#1178 » by Cr0w » Sat May 28, 2016 6:09 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:I hate Hillary. I honestly wish I could vote for someone else. However, I won't vote for Trump no matter what bs he shovels. He has been a liar and a cheat his whole career. He cares only for himself. He is a bully, a racist, and a misogynist. He has zero tact. He has done nothing but bring the worst out of our country. Many of his followers terrify me. His rhetoric is dangerous. I don't trust him with our foreign policies or our military. I don't think he has any kind of understanding of the Constitution, politics or the law.

I have some faith that as much as I dislike Hillary that her policies will be similar to Obama's. She isn't going to overturn Roe v. Wade. She isn't going to change the constitution. She believes in climate change. I really don't understand how anyone can support a climate change denier as president. Seriously, can any Trump supporter explain why they don't think planetary extinction is important?

There are just too many deal breakers for me. I try not to vote with the Klan. I happen to like and respect a lot of women. I think all people should be respected. I don't care how anyone self-identifies or what bathroom they use. Even if I could overlook all of that and even if I agreed with Trump's policies, I would still have to trust Trump to do what he says. He has no track record in politics. He has no voting record. He won't even show his tax returns. Why should I take anything he says at face value?


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Post#1179 » by knicksrbake » Sat May 28, 2016 6:18 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:I hate Hillary. I honestly wish I could vote for someone else. However, I won't vote for Trump no matter what bs he shovels. He has been a liar and a cheat his whole career. He cares only for himself. He is a bully, a racist, and a misogynist. He has zero tact. He has done nothing but bring the worst out of our country. Many of his followers terrify me. His rhetoric is dangerous. I don't trust him with our foreign policies or our military. I don't think he has any kind of understanding of the Constitution, politics or the law.

I have some faith that as much as I dislike Hillary that her policies will be similar to Obama's. She isn't going to overturn Roe v. Wade. She isn't going to change the constitution. She believes in climate change. I really don't understand how anyone can support a climate change denier as president. Seriously, can any Trump supporter explain why they don't think planetary extinction is important?

There are just too many deal breakers for me. I try not to vote with the Klan. I happen to like and respect a lot of women. I think all people should be respected. I don't care how anyone self-identifies or what bathroom they use. Even if I could overlook all of that and even if I agreed with Trump's policies, I would still have to trust Trump to do what he says. He has no track record in politics. He has no voting record. He won't even show his tax returns. Why should I take anything he says at face value?

"I have some faith that as much as I dislike Hillary that her policies will be similar to Obama's." - That's what scares me. Our country continues to help large corporations and the extremely wealthy profit, at the expense of everyone else.

"She isn't going to overturn Roe v. Wade. She isn't going to change the constitution." - You realize that Trump can't overturn a Supreme Court interpretation of the law, right? He also can't repeal amendments, lmao.

"I try not to vote with the Klan." - Not sure what Trump's affiliation is with the Klan...?

"I happen to like and respect a lot of women." - I would like to think he does as well?

"I don't care how anyone self-identifies or what bathroom they use." - Neither does Trump.

"He won't even show his tax returns." - Really? Ignore Hillary's war crimes and flip-flopping and bring up something stupid like tax returns? This is like Obama's birth certificate all over.

Most of your arguments against Trump seem to be on baseless assumptions. You're ASSUMING that he's racist, sexist, against gender identification (honestly, Trump isn't against this, but I personally am - what's stopping someone from personally identifying as an attack helicopter and then requesting that they get their own bathroom? Really stupid concept).

Anyway, the problem with this country is certainly in regards to economic issues. He's the only candidate who has a sound economic plan in place for revitalizing the lower and middle classes, who have suffered for far too long at the hands of corporate shills. Keep creating silly little social issues to argue (baseless assumptions, at that), while you ignore the real issues that plague this country.
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