OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[CharlesOakley]

There is no democratic socialism. The term itself is a paradox. There can't be any democracy in a system where government controls means of production.

I can't take you seriously. A democracy is a system of government where the people are involved in decision making, usually through voting. One of the tenants of socialism is democratic control of the means of production. We have tons of social institutions in the United States including the Interstate Highway system which is publicly owned and maintained. That highway system has enormous value for commercial distribution. Capitalism and Socialism working together inside a Democracy. We also have schools, hospitals, libraries, the mail, police and fire departments, all brought to you by that dirty little word - socialism.

In a democracy, if people want socialism, they can vote for it.

[Cr0w]

There is no democratic socialism. The term itself is a paradox. There can't be any democracy in a system where government controls means of production.

I can't take you seriously. A democracy is a system of government where the people are involved in decision making, usually through voting. One of the tenants of socialism is democratic control of the means of production. We have tons of social institutions in the United States including the Interstate Highway system which is publicly owned and maintained. That highway system has enormous value for commercial distribution. Capitalism and Socialism working together inside a Democracy. We also have schools, hospitals, libraries, the mail, police and fire departments, all brought to you by that dirty little word - socialism.

In a democracy, if people want socialism, they can vote for it.

Not only does this go against everything America stands for but it's been tried around the world and fails spectacularly every time. All this because you want shrinking middle class Americans to keep paying for your illegal buddies you met near the border. Treasonous.

[CharlesOakley]

Most of your arguments against Trump seem to be on baseless assumptions. You're ASSUMING that he's racist, sexist, against gender identification (honestly, Trump isn't against this, but I personally am - what's stopping someone from personally identifying as an attack helicopter and then requesting that they get their own bathroom? Really stupid concept).

Anyway, the problem with this country is certainly in regards to economic issues. He's the only candidate who has a sound economic plan in place for revitalizing the lower and middle classes, who have suffered for far too long at the hands of corporate shills. Keep creating silly little social issues to argue (baseless assumptions, at that), while you ignore the real issues that plague this country.

I am judging Trump by what comes out of his own mouth. He says racist and sexist stuff all the time. I also don't understand why you believe a billionaire is going to crack down on other billionaires? The attack helicopter point is a solid one.

Don't think I didn't notice you avoided the climate denial question.

[CharlesOakley]

There is no democratic socialism. The term itself is a paradox. There can't be any democracy in a system where government controls means of production.

I can't take you seriously. A democracy is a system of government where the people are involved in decision making, usually through voting. One of the tenants of socialism is democratic control of the means of production. We have tons of social institutions in the United States including the Interstate Highway system which is publicly owned and maintained. That highway system has enormous value for commercial distribution. Capitalism and Socialism working together inside a Democracy. We also have schools, hospitals, libraries, the mail, police and fire departments, all brought to you by that dirty little word - socialism.

In a democracy, if people want socialism, they can vote for it.

Not only does this go against everything America stands for but it's been tried around the world and fails spectacularly every time. All this because you want shrinking middle class Americans to keep paying for your illegal buddies you met near the border. Treasonous.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are confusing socialism with democratic socialism. My point to Rasho was the democratic socialism exists and to show ways that it is currently working in the US. You don't think people have a right to vote in a democracy.

[Cr0w]

Trumps going to run America like a successful business. Hillary is going to run America to pay her 1%er buddies. Bernie is going run it into the ground due to incompetence.

The Trump racist and sexist stuff is media creation. Look at his own businesses and how women are treated within. Look at his family and his very intelligence beautiful wife. His son is an incredible public speaker and has a future in politics himself.

Look at Trump's friends. Tons of black people love Trump. Mike Tyson one of his most fervent supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSWR1xlRRDs

[Cr0w]

I can't take you seriously. A democracy is a system of government where the people are involved in decision making, usually through voting. One of the tenants of socialism is democratic control of the means of production. We have tons of social institutions in the United States including the Interstate Highway system which is publicly owned and maintained. That highway system has enormous value for commercial distribution. Capitalism and Socialism working together inside a Democracy. We also have schools, hospitals, libraries, the mail, police and fire departments, all brought to you by that dirty little word - socialism.

In a democracy, if people want socialism, they can vote for it.

Not only does this go against everything America stands for but it's been tried around the world and fails spectacularly every time. All this because you want shrinking middle class Americans to keep paying for your illegal buddies you met near the border. Treasonous.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are confusing socialism with democratic socialism. My point to Rasho was the democratic socialism exists and to show ways that it is currently working in the US. You don't think people have a right to vote in a democracy.

Keep that garbage in failing western europe. That place is rotting for a reason. No thank you.

[AllanH20]

Stop it. You're losing it.

Trump himself has never been close to out of money. A few of his businesses haven't made it. As an entrepenuer he's has countless amounts of businesses and in that world, some sink and some swim.

If the best businessman in the world invests in enough businesses, some of them will be expected to go bankrupt. Just the law of averages.

What you're saying is like saying Steph Curry isn't a good 3 point shooter because he misses 3s sometimes.

I find it hilarious that cr0w sounds exactly like you would expect a Trump supporter to sound.

[Rasho Brezec]

There is no democratic socialism. The term itself is a paradox. There can't be any democracy in a system where government controls means of production.

I can't take you seriously. A democracy is a system of government where the people are involved in decision making, usually through voting. One of the tenants of socialism is democratic control of the means of production. We have tons of social institutions in the United States including the Interstate Highway system which is publicly owned and maintained. That highway system has enormous value for commercial distribution. Capitalism and Socialism working together inside a Democracy. We also have schools, hospitals, libraries, the mail, police and fire departments, all brought to you by that dirty little word - socialism.

In a democracy, if people want socialism, they can vote for it.

Those are public services. Socialism doesn't have proprietary rights over them.

[Rasho Brezec]

I can't take you seriously. A democracy is a system of government where the people are involved in decision making, usually through voting. One of the tenants of socialism is democratic control of the means of production. We have tons of social institutions in the United States including the Interstate Highway system which is publicly owned and maintained. That highway system has enormous value for commercial distribution. Capitalism and Socialism working together inside a Democracy. We also have schools, hospitals, libraries, the mail, police and fire departments, all brought to you by that dirty little word - socialism.

In a democracy, if people want socialism, they can vote for it.

Not only does this go against everything America stands for but it's been tried around the world and fails spectacularly every time. All this because you want shrinking middle class Americans to keep paying for your illegal buddies you met near the border. Treasonous.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are confusing socialism with democratic socialism. My point to Rasho was the democratic socialism exists and to show ways that it is currently working in the US. You don't think people have a right to vote in a democracy.

Name one example of democratic socialism.

[knicksrbake]

Most of your arguments against Trump seem to be on baseless assumptions. You're ASSUMING that he's racist, sexist, against gender identification (honestly, Trump isn't against this, but I personally am - what's stopping someone from personally identifying as an attack helicopter and then requesting that they get their own bathroom? Really stupid concept).

Anyway, the problem with this country is certainly in regards to economic issues. He's the only candidate who has a sound economic plan in place for revitalizing the lower and middle classes, who have suffered for far too long at the hands of corporate shills. Keep creating silly little social issues to argue (baseless assumptions, at that), while you ignore the real issues that plague this country.

I am judging Trump by what comes out of his own mouth. He says racist and sexist stuff all the time. I also don't understand why you believe a billionaire is going to crack down on other billionaires? The attack helicopter point is a solid one.

Don't think I didn't notice you avoided the climate denial question.

"Don't think I didn't notice you avoided the climate denial question." - I don't agree with him on every issue. Ultimately, when you choose a candidate, you must consider their stances as a whole and how they fit in line with your thinking. I think that revitalizing the lower and middle classes is far more important of an issue.

As for the racism/sexism, again, those are all just baseless assumptions.

Being against the "Black Lives Matter" movement is not racist.

[Cr0w]

Stop it. You're losing it.

Trump himself has never been close to out of money. A few of his businesses haven't made it. As an entrepenuer he's has countless amounts of businesses and in that world, some sink and some swim.

If the best businessman in the world invests in enough businesses, some of them will be expected to go bankrupt. Just the law of averages.

What you're saying is like saying Steph Curry isn't a good 3 point shooter because he misses 3s sometimes.

I find it hilarious that cr0w sounds exactly like you would expect a Trump supporter to sound.

http://www.businessknowhow.com/startup/business-failure.htm

According to statistics published by the Small Business Administration (SBA), about half of all employer establishments survive at least five years and a third survive ten years or more.

Idiot.

[HarthorneWingo]

Doesn't really conflict with his dig at Sanders. You're worse than NY beat writers regarding using misleading article titles.

Yes it does. Paul supports Bernie's free market economy over that of Trump or Cruz. Venezuela is irrelevant. Perhaps you should check out how the other democratic/socialist countries like Norway, Canada, Denmark and Sweden are doing.

http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

The only socialist country you mentioned is Venezuela.

You're like a Jack-in-th-Box every time someone brings up the "democratic socialist" countries of Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc. That's fine. I'm going to assume that you are correct. So what? You're arguing about labels/semantics. Use whatever words you want to define the systems of government in those countries, it comes down to the set of of socio-economic policies which Sanders supports.

[Rasho Brezec]

Scandinavian countries are capitalistic countries.

[CharlesOakley]

Enjoy:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html

You guys might as well say:

No matter what Trump says or does I will vote for him.

How good of a businessman is he?

In the June filing, The Donald estimated his net worth at $8.74 billion, and now says the number exceeds $10 billion. He apparently had lots of fun valuing his brand, reporting an asset of $3.32 billion for “real estate licensing deals, brand and branded development.” In the PFD, however, Trump reported royalty income of somewhere between $10 million and $37.5 million. Assuming he earns 90% margins on his royalties—a generous assumption—and pays no tax, he’s telling the world his brand should carry a price-to-earnings ratio of 100. It’s more like 200 if you take the lower end of the range, and tack on a reasonable tax rate. It’s interesting that Martha Stewart sold her Martha Steward Living, one of the world’s leading licensing brands, for $353 million last year.

[thebuzzardman]

Scandinavian countries are capitalistic countries.

Right. With deeply socialistic tendencies. In terms of how they handle education, health care etc.

I'm not even going to get into this. Everyone is so propagandized on both sides it's nuts. Like there aren't elements of "socialism" in every Western Democracy. No one is advocating the abusive kind like Eastern Europe used to have. No one is even advocating it for the USA. Basically it's an argument over how much governmental reach and into what. Unfortunately, conservatives have bought so deeply into Ayn Randian bullsh*t that they can't tolerate even a little government involvement. F*ck. A well known conservative like Dwight D Eisenhower would be called a raging liberal by today's conservatives.

I'm sorry I typed this much. My IQ lowered like 40 points just reading half the simple minded crap in here.

[Riot Randolph]

There is no democratic socialism. The term itself is a paradox. There can't be any democracy in a system where government controls means of production.

I can't take you seriously. A democracy is a system of government where the people are involved in decision making, usually through voting. One of the tenants of socialism is democratic control of the means of production. We have tons of social institutions in the United States including the Interstate Highway system which is publicly owned and maintained. That highway system has enormous value for commercial distribution. Capitalism and Socialism working together inside a Democracy. We also have schools, hospitals, libraries, the mail, police and fire departments, all brought to you by that dirty little word - socialism.

In a democracy, if people want socialism, they can vote for it.

Not only does this go against everything America stands for but it's been tried around the world and fails spectacularly every time. All this because you want shrinking middle class Americans to keep paying for your illegal buddies you met near the border. Treasonous.

Except for all the countries with the highest standards of living ....

[Rasho Brezec]

Scandinavian countries are capitalistic countries.

Right. With deeply socialistic tendencies. In terms of how they handle education, health care etc.

No. Schools and hospitals can still be run by private contractors and they're publicly funded just like state-run schools and hospitals. There is no private enterprise in socialism.

No one is advocating the abusive kind like Eastern Europe used to have.

That's the only kind of socialism there is.

[CharlesOakley]

Rasho - get a grip buddy. The entire world, when using the term "democratic socialism", is talking specifically about the Scandinavian countries and that political ideology. You want to play a game of semantics that somehow shifts the conversation. Computer Science is neither a science nor about computers but it's the term we have for the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

[Rasho Brezec]

Rasho - get a grip buddy. The entire world, when using the term "democratic socialism", is talking specifically about the Scandinavian countries and that political ideology. You want to play a game of semantics that somehow shifts the conversation. Computer Science is neither a science nor about computers but it's the term we have for the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

No, it doesn't. There is no example of democratic socialism. Scandinavians have capitalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

[Cr0w]

Rasho - get a grip buddy. The entire world, when using the term "democratic socialism", is talking specifically about the Scandinavian countries and that political ideology. You want to play a game of semantics that somehow shifts the conversation. Computer Science is neither a science nor about computers but it's the term we have for the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Democratic socialism is a theorized branch of socialism in its infancy and failing spectacularly. The idea of it existing long term in a country is a fairy tale.

Are you aware in your countries where you are citing democratic socialism there is no freedom of speech? Nice democracy.