The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[Cactus Jack]

knight + 4 for okafor is the basis. If the 76ers include something else, which would be fair would be a late pick. This trade is very good ... it puts another player of the same age (booker), and I believe that 80% of fans here want to build around it. He and Okafor would be wonderful. Len, Warren and others can bring us another great piece.

knight + 4 for okafor + (Lakers pick)

I would hold out for that pick.

[Kerrsed]

knight + 4 for okafor is the basis. If the 76ers include something else, which would be fair would be a late pick. This trade is very good ... it puts another player of the same age (booker), and I believe that 80% of fans here want to build around it. He and Okafor would be wonderful. Len, Warren and others can bring us another great piece.

knight + 4 for okafor + (Lakers pick)

I would hold out for that pick.

Thats asking for waaaaaay too much.

#4/Knight/#28 for Okafor/#24/#26

[DirtyDez]

It probably is a slight overpay but from Philly's perspective I doubt Embiid plays significant minutes right away so they can ease him in with Len on board (do they even have another C on the the roster?)... Plus he's a RFA so they're not tied to him. If Embiid doesn't pan out they have the ability to let the market dictate Len's value with the ability to match.

They do have another, he's a little known player name NERLINS NOEL. I think you may know the kid, defensive juggernaut, currently better than Len, the guy we passed on to draft Len.

You man that toothpick that would obviously be PF to Embiid, Okafor or Len. And yes we made a mistake taking Len but at the time he was seen to have higher two way potential than Noel and maybe scared off cause he had multiple knee issues.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

You guys have somehow talked yourselves into wanting Okafor.

If we want him, the deal is simple. #4 for Okafor. That's it. Trade Len and #28 to Orlando for #11. We could move Chandler and Knight if we want, but we don't need to. And we certainly shouldn't give them away for nothing.

Personally, I don't want Okafor. Say what you will about his defense, I think he's a liability. And I think Warren can be our go-to offensive weapon, so we don't need Okafor. Len's undisputedly the better rebounder and, IMO, defender. But if I'm wrong, then #4 for Okafor. Clean and easy.

[Barkley_34]

knight + 4 for okafor is the basis. If the 76ers include something else, which would be fair would be a late pick. This trade is very good ... it puts another player of the same age (booker), and I believe that 80% of fans here want to build around it. He and Okafor would be wonderful. Len, Warren and others can bring us another great piece.

knight + 4 for okafor + (Lakers pick)

I would hold out for that pick.

Thats asking for waaaaaay too much.

#4/Knight/#28 for Okafor/#24/#26

Like that too

[thamadkant]

Pick 4 + Knight
for
Okafor + Pick 26

[sunskerr]

I'm not so high on Okafor but I would easily do #4 for him, and maybe even include Knight. I feel like Knight is expendable given that we have Booker/Bledsoe and that Okafor is a better prospect than anybody who would potentially be available at #4 in the draft. I think he's shown enough offensive promise however aged his game is and could improve with a 3 ball and better defense. If he can't get a 3 ball, then you just need more shooters and he only has to improve defense.

[letsgosuns]

I think some of you guys are severely underestimating the value of the 4th pick and also how much McDonough probably values Knight. I do not like him but he is still a 24 year old point guard that averages 20 pts, 5 ast, and 4 rbs signed long term on a very reasonable contract. That is a good asset to have. 24 year old guards that average 20 pts a game are usually not throw-ins in a trade. Anyway, remember the 76ers are the ones that want to trade Okafor. They are the ones that supposedly really want to acquire another top five pick. The Suns or Celtics are the ones that should dictate terms. Plus I believe there is something up with Okafor if Colangelo is willing to trade a 20 year old scoring center. When would he ever do something like that? Seems sketchy to me.

[thamadkant]

Okafor just needs to up his rebounding.... and punish small ball inside.... and he has done his job.

[Kerrsed]

Okafor's rookie season VS. Len's 3rd season in the league. Their defensive rating really isnt that far off from each other. Okafors is 110 and Lens is 107 (Both per 100 possessions).

[thamadkant]

I think some of you guys are severely underestimating the value of the 4th pick and also how much McDonough probably values Knight. I do not like him but he is still a 24 year old point guard that averages 20 pts, 5 ast, and 4 rbs signed long term on a very reasonable contract. That is a good asset to have. 24 year old guards that average 20 pts a game are usually not throw-ins in a trade. Anyway, remember the 76ers are the ones that want to trade Okafor. They are the ones that supposedly really want to acquire another top five pick. The Suns or Celtics are the ones that should dictate terms. Plus I believe there is something up with Okafor if Colangelo is willing to trade a 20 year old scoring center. When would he ever do something like that? Seems sketchy to me.

Pick 4 this upcoming draft is not more valuable than a proven pick 3 player from last year..

[saintEscaton]

knight + 4 for okafor is the basis. If the 76ers include something else, which would be fair would be a late pick. This trade is very good ... it puts another player of the same age (booker), and I believe that 80% of fans here want to build around it. He and Okafor would be wonderful. Len, Warren and others can bring us another great piece.

knight + 4 for okafor + (Lakers pick)

I would hold out for that pick.

McMulligan doesn't get a do over. He'll never live that one down

[LukasBMW]

-There is no one on Orlando that I want. I'm not even that impressed with Aaron Gordon. I'd honestly rather have OK4.

-I have a sinking feeling that the front office would trade #4 for Gordon but won't trade #4 for OK4.

-If Len has another so/so season he is going to get PAID. If he improves even slightly, he will get the max easily. I'm not sure I want to pay him, but I also just don't want to give him away.

-I think the front office wants to give Knight another year even with the emergence of Booker. The front office is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and they could force the staw man head coach into starting Bledsoe/Knight/Booker. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we start the season that way. I WOULD be surprised if it actually worked.

-Chandler is still a valuable vet for leadership. This team absolutely needs some direction. Therefore I don't just want to give him away to dump the contract. If we get OK4, Chandler becomes even more valuable.

[letsgosuns]

I think some of you guys are severely underestimating the value of the 4th pick and also how much McDonough probably values Knight. I do not like him but he is still a 24 year old point guard that averages 20 pts, 5 ast, and 4 rbs signed long term on a very reasonable contract. That is a good asset to have. 24 year old guards that average 20 pts a game are usually not throw-ins in a trade. Anyway, remember the 76ers are the ones that want to trade Okafor. They are the ones that supposedly really want to acquire another top five pick. The Suns or Celtics are the ones that should dictate terms. Plus I believe there is something up with Okafor if Colangelo is willing to trade a 20 year old scoring center. When would he ever do something like that? Seems sketchy to me.

Pick 4 this upcoming draft is not more valuable than a proven pick 3 player from last year..

That is how you feel though. We do not know how McDonough feels. Plus I think there are two red flags regarding Okafor. One is that he already had a small meniscus tear in his right knee so that is never good. Bledsoe has had meniscus issues and we see how serious that can be. Second is the off the court fights he was in. People can say whatever they want about it but the fact remains that it happened and it is a knock on him.

Then factor this into the equation: "On the court, Okafor was averaging 17.5 points and seven rebounds per game, which ranked him second and third, respectively, among rookies. However, he has struggled to defend at an NBA level and has occasionally been a bit of a black hole in the post. The 76ers have been significantly better with Okafor on the bench this season, according to lineup data." http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

Never a good sign when the team performs better with the player on the bench. Can he improve over time? Sure. But when you factor everything together, the injury, the off the court issues, and the horrible defense, it is not good. It make me seriously question why they want to get rid of him. If Okafor is as good as you and other say, why is he even available. I do not buy that Embiid can replace him line at all. Embiid has never even played one minute of an NBA game and has had serious injury problems. And Noel does not play anything like Okafor. Franchise centers do not get traded in this league ever in the second year of rookie deals. It just sounds too good to be true.

[thamadkant]

I think some of you guys are severely underestimating the value of the 4th pick and also how much McDonough probably values Knight. I do not like him but he is still a 24 year old point guard that averages 20 pts, 5 ast, and 4 rbs signed long term on a very reasonable contract. That is a good asset to have. 24 year old guards that average 20 pts a game are usually not throw-ins in a trade. Anyway, remember the 76ers are the ones that want to trade Okafor. They are the ones that supposedly really want to acquire another top five pick. The Suns or Celtics are the ones that should dictate terms. Plus I believe there is something up with Okafor if Colangelo is willing to trade a 20 year old scoring center. When would he ever do something like that? Seems sketchy to me.

Pick 4 this upcoming draft is not more valuable than a proven pick 3 player from last year..

That is how you feel though. We do not know how McDonough feels. Plus I think there are two red flags regarding Okafor. One is that he already had a small meniscus tear in his right knee so that is never good. Bledsoe has had meniscus issues and we see how serious that can be. Second is the off the court fights he was in. People can say whatever they want about it but the fact remains that it happened and it is a knock on him.

Then factor this into the equation: "On the court, Okafor was averaging 17.5 points and seven rebounds per game, which ranked him second and third, respectively, among rookies. However, he has struggled to defend at an NBA level and has occasionally been a bit of a black hole in the post. The 76ers have been significantly better with Okafor on the bench this season, according to lineup data." http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

Never a good sign when the team performs better with the player on the bench. Can he improve over time? Sure. But when you factor everything together, the injury, the off the court issues, and the horrible defense, it is not good. It make me seriously question why they want to get rid of him. If Okafor is as good as you and other say, why is he even available. I do not buy that Embiid can replace him line at all. Embiid has never even played one minute of an NBA game and has had serious injury problems. And Noel does not play anything like Okafor.

well yeah, no one knows what McD is thinking, which makes me worried a bit.



Just like with Booker and Len pick.... the players rumored Suns wanted, was not the ones McD drafted... he's got something up his sleeves.

And evaluating Okafor's on court impact on the 76ers IS MEANINGLESS, the team was terrible with or without Okafor... beyond terrible.

its like saying Suns looked better and had more wins when Ronnie Price was playing high minutes than Devin Booker.

[letsgosuns]

Pick 4 this upcoming draft is not more valuable than a proven pick 3 player from last year..

That is how you feel though. We do not know how McDonough feels. Plus I think there are two red flags regarding Okafor. One is that he already had a small meniscus tear in his right knee so that is never good. Bledsoe has had meniscus issues and we see how serious that can be. Second is the off the court fights he was in. People can say whatever they want about it but the fact remains that it happened and it is a knock on him.

Then factor this into the equation: "On the court, Okafor was averaging 17.5 points and seven rebounds per game, which ranked him second and third, respectively, among rookies. However, he has struggled to defend at an NBA level and has occasionally been a bit of a black hole in the post. The 76ers have been significantly better with Okafor on the bench this season, according to lineup data." http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/11/11208614/jahlil-okafor-injury-76ers-knee

Never a good sign when the team performs better with the player on the bench. Can he improve over time? Sure. But when you factor everything together, the injury, the off the court issues, and the horrible defense, it is not good. It make me seriously question why they want to get rid of him. If Okafor is as good as you and other say, why is he even available. I do not buy that Embiid can replace him line at all. Embiid has never even played one minute of an NBA game and has had serious injury problems. And Noel does not play anything like Okafor.

well yeah, no one knows what McD is thinking, which makes me worried a bit.



Just like with Booker and Len pick.... the players rumored Suns wanted, was not the ones McD drafted... he's got something up his sleeves.

And evaluating Okafor's on court impact on the 76ers IS MEANINGLESS, the team was terrible with or without Okafor... beyond terrible.

its like saying Suns looked better and had more wins when Ronnie Price was playing high minutes than Devin Booker.

Yes I agree. But I still question why Colangelo wants to get rid of him. You keep saying how Okafor is so awesome and that he is far better than anyone potentially available at the fourth pick. So wouldn't you think that the 76ers want to put him and Simmons together. That pairing sounds like it could be a potential dynasty if they live up to their potential. A player like Okafor at his age should never be available. That is what I am saying. There has to be a reason why they want to get rid of him. I understand they have too many centers and want to trade one. But why trade the best one? Makes no sense.

[thamadkant]

Colangelo is shopping either Noel or Okafor.

Noel cant get them a top 4 pick.... not enough.
Okafor can get them a top 4 pick...

They cant get anything for Embiid... and Embiid replicates Okafor's strengths. So Embiid is worth more to them than other teams.. since they've invested so much for him.

[saintEscaton]

Because that pairing would kill any spacing in the frontcout and Simmons is a terrible defender in his own right.

[letsgosuns]

I watched highlights of Okafor. That guy has some serious offensive game. He appears to have a ton of talent. He was scoring all over people with a variety of moves. Kinda reminded me of Amare in a way minus the out of this world athleticism and powerful facial dunks. So I wonder what makes a team want to trade a guy like that. I figure an organization would want to build around him. Like I would have never traded Amare after his rookie season for any kind of package the current Suns or Celtics could offer.

[thamadkant]

The NBA has shifted to a jump shooting slash perimeter shooting game... which means defenders are also honed to stop scoring from that area.


The one area which has been overlooked is the inside...


Tim Duncan as recent as the 2013 and 2014 playoffs, have proven when shots stop falling, the Spurs had an inside guy who could score 20 and in crunch time too.

Very valuable. It also allows the team to have 2 options to score from.


I recall the golden era center days, where Hakeem would always get the ball, apply pressure inside, he either scored or kicked out to a Mario Ellie or Maxwell for an open 3pter... Robinson too...

Heck Barkley days, Majerle, Ainge at the perimeter worked... IN then OUT...