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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#81 » by doordoor123 » Sat May 28, 2016 8:44 pm

saintEscaton wrote:His stock is on the rise. But taking him in the Top 5 is a massive reach IMO. He is a tweener in the mold of TJones/Queef/Marvin Williams and plays like a guard who had a late growth spurt. His go go gadget hops make him a lob threat and he can finish with authority in traffic as a roll man with soft hands and a promising midrange touch and right baby hook for a kid new to the game. Will over commit and rack up flashy weakside blocks leaving his teammates vulnerable biting on everything and has a hard time staying on the floor. Fouled out in 15 of his 34 games. Surprisingly he tested terribly in lane agility, but he can stay in front of his man he just is too upright with little leverage in his defensive stance so he is blown by easily. Most concering is that he posted the second worst defensive rebound rate among first round prospects in the last 30 years, he doesn't box out or try to establish the inside position. He has a hard time anticipating the trajectory of the ball and just tries to corral it at its highest point(he was originally recruited as a tight end), he will be called for reaching behind the back in the NBA.


He doesn't know how to rebound yet. More often than not tries to jump and use his vertical to get the ball instead of chasing it down. He has good lower body strength and should be good at boxing out. In terms of committing too much on defense, I think that's an easy fix with a coach that understands defense. A big criticism on him has been his coaching and many others have reiterated it. He hasn't been coached enough.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#82 » by Dr Positivity » Sat May 28, 2016 10:18 pm

It used to be teams overestimated how easy it would be for PFs with jumpshots to to moved to SF (i.e. Derrick Williams). Now that everyone wants a stretch PF, I wonder if it will start to go the other way, and the odds that players like Chriss could be SFs will be overlooked
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#83 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat May 28, 2016 11:01 pm

Chriss have very average handles, unless he does the unexpected massive improvement in that part, he is NOT a SF.
He projects IMO, as a role player who can be an athletic stretch 4 with good lateral speed but not long enough(Reach) to be a consistent rim protector. Not a star but a solid starter.
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Post#84 » by doordoor123 » Sun May 29, 2016 4:06 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:Chriss have very average handles, unless he does the unexpected massive improvement in that part, he is NOT a SF.
He projects IMO, as a role player who can be an athletic stretch 4 with good lateral speed but not long enough(Reach) to be a consistent rim protector. Not a star but a solid starter.


He's a 4 that can stay on his man on the wing and has super athleticism that will make his length mean a lot less. He also gets great post position, but will have a harder time with bigger guys that have an experienced post game. Great off-ball in the post. Better help defender in the post than individual.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#85 » by Catchall » Sun May 29, 2016 8:59 pm

Chriss' measurables and athletic testing are very similar to Aaron Gordon. His offensive feel and shooting touch are actually better than Gordon's, but he doesn't have the motor, defensive tenacity and passing that Gordon has. With Chriss the question is whether he'll play harder, do the work to gain strength, make a better effort to rebound and continue to develop ball skills. High-reward prospect with limited risk overall. It's a question of how hard he'll work.
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Post#86 » by toussaud » Mon May 30, 2016 8:57 am

6'9 leaper who has no idea how to play basketball. He's a **** defender, **** rebounder, **** shooter, **** ball handler. He does literally nothing at an nba level except offensive rebound and the only reason he dies that is to try to get a SC top 10 put back. He's not even particularly long

I don't see the upside at all. A nba prospect who can't do one **** thing at an nba level. He can't rebound and all that requires you to do is put your ass on someone you learn how to box out playing jr high ball not in the d league


Rebounding is the most telling sign of big Ben translating to the nba if you can't rebound, and he can't, it's not something your gonna learn how to do. If you can't **** rebound against Santa Clara what makes you think your going to magically learn how to rebound against the Indiana pacers

This dude is such a bust it's ksughable. This is a classic 76er pick lol
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#87 » by GimmeDat » Mon May 30, 2016 1:51 pm

He's a PF, and I think he's one that fits well in to modern play on both sides of the ball, but the combination of IQ and rebounding does concern me.

Real boom/bust potential here.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#88 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon May 30, 2016 2:21 pm

I like Deyonta Davis much more, Chriss is that kind of player that when you see him you can't explain why but think about him not putting it all together.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#89 » by No-Man » Mon May 30, 2016 2:47 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:I like Deyonta Davis much more, Chriss is that kind of player that when you see him you can't explain why but think about him not putting it all together.

I like Deyonta's chances of been solid more too, he is very similar to Ed Davis, the thing is that his ceiling is about that high, not that it is a bad player to get especially in a Draft like this, but theoretically you go for BPA and bigs value right now is at an extremely low, because of the overloaded market we have.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#90 » by saintEscaton » Mon May 30, 2016 6:26 pm

Deyonta could be Ed Davis with at least a semblance of a jumper and near elite rim protection/perimeter D with the ability to switch against the PnR. He matched up really well against Nigel Hayes could neutralize NBA Strech 4s and also play 5 in spurts
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#91 » by HeartBreakKid » Mon May 30, 2016 11:02 pm

I'm not a fan, the athleticism is enticing but the things he's bad at, hes REALLY bad at - I have a feeling some of it is just b-ball IQ and lack of motor, which are not easy things to correct. His length is very average also if I can recall, doesn't very long arms for a PF.
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Post#92 » by HotelVitale » Tue May 31, 2016 1:42 am

I like him where he's at in DX's mock, after the top 2 tiers and before some of the safer but lower upside guys. I think there's definitely some potential for busting, but I also think people are overstating his mental/IQ deficiencies and getting too gun shy. Not getting every rotation right, ball-watching, and taking some plays off are easily correctable flaws, and there's so much more impetus to get that stuff right in the NBA (money, attention, round-the-clock coaching, competition/peer pressure (since no one wants to be just a scrub in the league)). It's not a good sign that he misses that stuff now but it's not nearly as fatal as some are suggesting (for a 19 year-old).

The draft correctly values guys who can make easy impacts on the game--people with elite athleticism, quickness, or great changes of speed--more than those with perfect skills sets. Space is so tight in the NBA and defenders are so good and so big that those assets just matter a lot more than anything else (it's of course not the only thing). Bottom line is that Chriss is a gamble, but I don't think there's a huge chance he's a total washout and there's a really nice upside he can get to without much trouble (and potential for more, if he has some amazing, Paul George/Kawhi-type of development).
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#93 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jun 1, 2016 3:41 pm

HotelVitale wrote:I like him where he's at in DX's mock, after the top 2 tiers and before some of the safer but lower upside guys. I think there's definitely some potential for busting, but I also think people are overstating his mental/IQ deficiencies and getting too gun shy. Not getting every rotation right, ball-watching, and taking some plays off are easily correctable flaws, and there's so much more impetus to get that stuff right in the NBA (money, attention, round-the-clock coaching, competition/peer pressure (since no one wants to be just a scrub in the league)). It's not a good sign that he misses that stuff now but it's not nearly as fatal as some are suggesting (for a 19 year-old).

The draft correctly values guys who can make easy impacts on the game--people with elite athleticism, quickness, or great changes of speed--more than those with perfect skills sets. Space is so tight in the NBA and defenders are so good and so big that those assets just matter a lot more than anything else (it's of course not the only thing). Bottom line is that Chriss is a gamble, but I don't think there's a huge chance he's a total washout and there's a really nice upside he can get to without much trouble (and potential for more, if he has some amazing, Paul George/Kawhi-type of development).

DX's mock now has him going #3, lol.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#94 » by No-Man » Wed Jun 1, 2016 4:29 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Deyonta could be Ed Davis with at least a semblance of a jumper and near elite rim protection/perimeter D with the ability to switch against the PnR. He matched up really well against Nigel Hayes could neutralize NBA Strech 4s and also play 5 in spurts

other than the jumpshot Ed can do all that sort of, he can switch, he can defend the rim too.
I think they are fairly similar, unless Deyonta develops a terrific jumper I think he is more of a versatile rotation big than a start, not a bad player, I had Ed top3 in my 6th man rankings this year and he played for a pretty good team.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#95 » by Slartibartfast » Wed Jun 1, 2016 4:54 pm

GimmeDat wrote:I've seen some variation on how people's projections for Chriss' role and position in the NBA... he's a hard guy to project imo. A unique skill-set for a prospect.

Watching him I have to think he's a PF in the NBA. I can't see him at the 3.


He's got some Tyrus in him.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#96 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:15 pm

I get a Tyrus Thomas vibe from him.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#97 » by HotelVitale » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:26 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:I've seen some variation on how people's projections for Chriss' role and position in the NBA... he's a hard guy to project imo. A unique skill-set for a prospect. Watching him I have to think he's a PF in the NBA. I can't see him at the 3.
He's got some Tyrus in him.

That means nothing in and of itself. Tyrus had all the physical tools necessary to be very very good, he just couldn't put it together and actually regressed after a little while. Comparing a good but not quite complete athlete to Tyrus Thomas is no more fair than comparing him to Paul George: prospects are gambles, and taking extremes of poor and amazingly good development doesn't help gauge how the average prospect will turn out.

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HotelVitale wrote:I like him where he's at in DX's mock, after the top 2 tiers and before some of the safer but lower upside guys. I think there's definitely some potential for busting, but I also think people are overstating his mental/IQ deficiencies and getting too gun shy....The draft correctly values guys who can make easy impacts on the game--people with elite athleticism, quickness, or great changes of speed--more than those with perfect skills sets. Space is so tight in the NBA and defenders are so good and so big that those assets just matter a lot more than anything else (it's of course not the only thing).

DX's mock now has him going #3, lol.

What's funny about that? I would still lean to the the Dunn-Murray-Bender group over him, but he's a legit prospect in terms of physical abilities and projectable skill. Do you not see that when you watch him? Remember, athletes like Blake Griffin and Dwyane Wade didn't have dominant freshman years but you could see how they weren't far from imposing their wills on the game. Chriss has good enough size/athleticism and was good enough this year to think he could do that with some more seasoning.
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Post#98 » by Slartibartfast » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:39 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:I've seen some variation on how people's projections for Chriss' role and position in the NBA... he's a hard guy to project imo. A unique skill-set for a prospect. Watching him I have to think he's a PF in the NBA. I can't see him at the 3.
He's got some Tyrus in him.

That means nothing in and of itself. Tyrus had all the physical tools necessary to be very very good, he just couldn't put it together and actually regressed after a little while. Comparing a good but not quite complete athlete to Tyrus Thomas is no more fair than comparing him to Paul George: prospects are gambles, and taking extremes of poor and amazingly good development doesn't help gauge how the average prospect will turn out.



He's a lot more TT than PG in terms of skill base.

Tyrus was a 3/4 tweener with fantastic bounce and quickness. He was bigger and meaner than Chriss, but Chriss has a lot more offensive upside with that J.

Comparing him to Tyrus as a prospect was compliment, not an insult.
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Re: Marquese Chriss 

Post#99 » by No-Man » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:56 pm

Tyrus was never ever a tweener or projectable as a SF and whoever even thought of that had 0 idea of his game.
He played like a C for LSU and was mainly that when succesful at the next elvel too.
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Post#100 » by HotelVitale » Wed Jun 1, 2016 6:14 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote: He's got some Tyrus in him.

That means nothing in and of itself. Tyrus had all the physical tools necessary to be very very good, he just couldn't put it together and actually regressed after a little while. Comparing a good but not quite complete athlete to Tyrus Thomas is no more fair than comparing him to Paul George: prospects are gambles, and taking extremes of poor and amazingly good development doesn't help gauge how the average prospect will turn out.
He's a lot more TT than PG in terms of skill base. Tyrus was a 3/4 tweener with fantastic bounce and quickness. He was bigger and meaner than Chriss, but Chriss has a lot more offensive upside with that J. Comparing him to Tyrus as a prospect was compliment, not an insult.

Ok, sorry. Too quick with the standard 'it's dumb to dismiss this guy because some other guy busted in the past.'

About the comp: Chriss isn't as long as Tyrus but he's significantly stronger and heavier, and almost two inches taller. (Their hops are about equal too, with TT coming in a little better). I'm not sure I see why he's much closer to TT than PG, though--Chriss' jumper is better and smoother than either guy's was, and he handles the ball and takes contact better than TT did, probably as well as PG (IIRC). Maybe not quite as agile on offense as PG, but the whole reason he's vaulted up is because he has a wide range of offensive skills and isn't the raw mega-athlete Tyrus was.

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