The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

Post #1 » by **bwgood77** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:15 am

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Kerrsed wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I wonder if both Boston and Phoenix pass on Okafor (if he is really on the table) if the Pelicans would trade their pick for him to pair him with AD in the frontcourt, or if they'd rather have a guard. That wouldn't be a bad frontcourt.

If i was the Pelicans, i would target Noel as i think a Davis/Noel pairing would be

Hmm...I think the exact opposite. I think Okafor and AD would work well together. I mean, defensively AD and Noel would work well, but overall I like the former.

Post #2 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:31 am

I like Okafor and AD better. Okafor's defense is better than Noel's offense.

thamadkant · Post #3 » by **thamadkant** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:57 am

Okafor surrounded by athletic forwards and shooters would be a good way to start the new core.

sixers4real · Post #4 » by **sixers4real** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:43 am

I really hope your GM will pull the trigger of trading #4 + Knight for Okafor + #24 or/and #26

Post #5 » by **bwgood77** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:03 am

sixers4real wrote:I really hope your GM will pull the trigger of trading #4 + Knight for Okafor + #24 or/and #26

I seriously doubt he's going to trade for more picks in this year's draft. And I don't think he'd ship out Knight yet after trading for him and giving him a pretty big contract this offseason.

Post #6 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:09 am

sixers4real wrote:I really hope your GM will pull the trigger of trading #4 + Knight for Okafor + #24 or/and #26

I'm surprised both team fans can agree on a mutually beneficial trade. I'll do this trade in a heartbeat.

DRK · Post #7 » by **DRK** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:48 am

sixers4real wrote:I really hope your GM will pull the trigger of trading #4 + Knight for Okafor + #24 or/and #26

I'ld do that. Keep your late 1st's, we throw in #28 and you give us Covington and we have a deal.

Knight, #4, #28, for Okafor and Covington.

Mr Puddles · Post #8 » by **Mr Puddles** » Mon May 30, 2016 4:42 am

Qwigglez wrote:
sixers4real wrote:I really hope your GM will pull the trigger of trading #4 + Knight for Okafor + #24 or/and #26

I'm surprised both team fans can agree on a mutually beneficial trade. I'll do this trade in a heartbeat.

Because it makes sense for both teams.

The Sixers have a logjam at the 4-5 and likely have three more talented bigs coming in this season: Simmons, Embiid, Saric.

The Suns have a logjam at the guard position and have a shortage of talented big men.

With a rotation of Dunn, Knight, SF, Simmons, Noel Bench: Saric, Embiid - the 76ers are starting to look like a well balanced team team with plenty of young talent, and a good mix of offensive and defensive stalwarts.

The Suns meanwhile build around the best young inside/outside offensive duo in the league in Booker and Okafor.

thamadkant · Post #9 » by **thamadkant** » Mon May 30, 2016 4:56 am

They need to move Tucker for maybe a late pick or an early 2nd.... ship him to a playoff team where he can be useful.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #10 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon May 30, 2016 6:10 am

My thoughts on Okafor:

Comparing rookie years he had the worst Rebounds Per 36, TS % and D-Rating out of Kanter, Monroe, Jefferson, Lopez, Okafor who up until last month had 27 seasons on 9 teams with 0 playoff series wins.

DirtyDez · Post #11 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon May 30, 2016 6:23 am

I don't know. I just can't see McD trading the #4 pick and Knight for Jah. He probably values Knight more than anyone and wants to build with our own draft picks. I hope I'm wrong b/c trading 4 and something minor for Okafor would be the equivalent of winning the draft lottery cause he'd easily go #1.

Damkac · Post #12 » by **Damkac** » Mon May 30, 2016 8:47 am

If he is really this good then Philly would get the best they can for Noel and build around Simmons/OK4. Especially trading potentially franchise center (that are like unicors those days) for a guard (that you have thousands today) seems extremely stupid.
Imagine if Suns draft Buddy Hield and trade Booker. Fans here would go crazy. And Okafor is supposedly at least at Booker's level as a prospect. I don't understand how having 2 young players on the same position you trade away the better and younger one.
Maybe he is team cancer, maybe he has health issues or something that makes Philly wants to get rid of him.

Bogyo · Post #13 » by **Bogyo** » Mon May 30, 2016 9:25 am

DirtyDez wrote:I don't know. I just can't see McD trading the #4 pick and Knight for Jah. He probably values Knight more than anyone and wants to build with our own draft picks. I hope I'm wrong b/c trading 4 and something minor for Okafor would be the equivalent of winning the draft lottery cause he'd easily go #1.

Well, if Boston doesn't give up the #3 for him, then we might (should???) succed with 4th and 34th or 4th and Goodwin. This makes room for Bogdan while we are at it - I think he will have as much impact as Archie this year. Much more (big) game-time experience, better shooter, better passer, team player.

Fo-Real · Post #14 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon May 30, 2016 10:37 am

If we were able to work out a deal for Okafor for the 4, what would step two be? We would have assets to make another major move. Would still have another lotto pick in 13 to target an impact player or use it in a big trade. Alex Len would be a huge trade chip, along with Tucker who could be added in any deal as sweetener as a good playoff piece or a salary dump because his salary is not guaranteed for next year. Also Knight and Archie might have done enough for other teams to want to take a chance on them. Not to mention the extra picks we have gotten from the Cavs and Heat.

So not that another deal would have to be made , but if presented you have lotto pick 13 + Len + Knight + Tucker + Archie + 28 this year + future picks if needed. Who would possibly be interested in any of that and what could we possibly get back??? Also if you could get Jah and thought he needed to be paired with a defensive oriented pf, then you would be motivated to really push for Al Horford as a free agent this summer. Would any combo of that be nearly enough to get Butler from Chicago?? Bled, Booker, Butler, Horford, Okafor, and still have quality like Bogdan, Warren, Telly, and Tyson coming off the bench?? What are some other possibilities and who would maybe want any of our other pieces if the 4th pick got us Okafor??

Post #15 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:42 am

I was also wondering what step 2 could be and it really depends. Okafor isn't really a project on the offensive end so we could essentially start running plays for him from the get go. In fact, I think we could revolve our system around him and Booker at this point. He obviously still needs to work on his defense (as well as Booker) though.

We could either go full rebuild, and potentially trade our older guys such as Bledsoe/PJ, perhaps to the Kings for their No 8 pick. We could draft Baldwin and have Baldwin/Booker/Okafor as our building blocks, but I highly doubt Sarver has the patience for that seeing how we haven't made the playoffs in six years.

The other option would be to let this team play out, and hopefully re-sign Telly and upgrade our SF position. I see McD and Sarver going this route. I'd like to think we can trade PJ Tucker fore extra cap room to a contending team for their 2nd round pick but for some reason I believe the front office wouldn't trade him because of his hustle and veteran leadership. We could go after Nicolas Batum and have three solid defenders in our starting lineup (Bled/Batum/Chandler or Len) and that could help mask the defensive deficiencies from Booker/Okafor, at least until they learn to play better D. We could also see if the Bulls would entertain trading Butler around a package centered around the two Miami picks, a future 1st from us, and Archie Goodwin. I doubt they consider it though.

Realistically though, if we stand pat (after trading for Okafor) and only re-sign MT3 I think we're in a good position. We'd have solved our biggest problem which IMO was post presence/inside scoring. We'd have a solid mix of veterans/young guns and our bench would be pretty solid too.

Bledsoe/Booker/PJ/Okafor/Chandler
Archie/Bogdan/Warren/MT3/Len + rookie (pick 13)

Again, I'd like to upgrade our SF position and keep Warren on the bench as our spark plug but as long as we're healthy we have a good shot at being a 6th-8th seed.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #16 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon May 30, 2016 12:41 pm

The Pros, Neutrals, Cons of getting Okafor in as the Morris replacement:

Pro - Scores 5 points more per 36.
Neutral - Same Level Rebounder, Defender, Effeciency, Character
Cons - Will cost Max contract extension and need to trade pick 4 and other assets to get him.

Post #17 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:51 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:The Pros, Neutrals, Cons of getting Okafor in as the Morris replacement:

Pro - Scores 5 points more per 36.
Neutral - Same Level Rebounder, Defender, Effeciency, Character
Cons - Will cost Max contract extension and need to trade pick 4 and other assets to get him.

Come on man, you're being way to nitpicky.
Way more pros than that. For one, he'll command double teams. Pick 4 is a very good asset until we actually draft our guy we want there, which may not necessarily be the guy other teams are after, plus the bust factor of said pick, and the unlikely hood that whoever the pick is may never average 17/8/1.2 in any one season. As soon as the pick is made I'd say the value drops significantly.
Okafor had one season, not sure his character is in jeopardy just because of a fight (or two). If anything, that just makes him easier to get without giving up as much as the Sixers would possibly want.

NTB · Post #18 » by **NTB** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:53 pm

Ahh there isn't any insider anymore?

JMac1 · Post #19 » by **JMac1** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:53 pm

1UPZ wrote:The NBA has shifted to a jump shooting slash perimeter shooting game... which means defenders are also honed to stop scoring from that area.

The one area which has been overlooked is the inside...

Tim Duncan as recent as the 2013 and 2014 playoffs, have proven when shots stop falling, the Spurs had an inside guy who could score 20 and in crunch time too.

Very valuable. It also allows the team to have 2 options to score from.

I recall the golden era center days, where Hakeem would always get the ball, apply pressure inside, he either scored or kicked out to a Mario Ellie or Maxwell for an open 3pter... Robinson too...

Heck Barkley days, Majerle, Ainge at the perimeter worked... IN then OUT...

GS not the NBA. No NBA team in history has had the two best shooters probably ever on the same team! I don't think this will ever be duplicated no matter how many shooters teams draft. That could be fool's gold for the entire league. A inside scorer or rim attacker/FT shooter will always have their value.

bhawk · Post #20 » by **bhawk** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:04 pm

JMac1 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:The NBA has shifted to a jump shooting slash perimeter shooting game... which means defenders are also honed to stop scoring from that area.

The one area which has been overlooked is the inside...

Tim Duncan as recent as the 2013 and 2014 playoffs, have proven when shots stop falling, the Spurs had an inside guy who could score 20 and in crunch time too.

Very valuable. It also allows the team to have 2 options to score from.

I recall the golden era center days, where Hakeem would always get the ball, apply pressure inside, he either scored or kicked out to a Mario Ellie or Maxwell for an open 3pter... Robinson too...

Heck Barkley days, Majerle, Ainge at the perimeter worked... IN then OUT...

GS not the NBA. No NBA team in history has had the two best shooters probably ever on the same team! I don't think this will ever be duplicated no matter how many shooters teams draft. That could be fool's gold for the entire league. A inside scorer or rim attacker/FT shooter will always have their value.

It might happen with Booker and Hield... Hield is THAT good of a shooter. Confident but not cocky too...