If the option is on the table, would you trade the 4th pick for Okafor?

[bwgood77]

OK4 got caught doing something every NBA player does - speeding. Whoop de do.

Dude is 19 and he is a millionaire. You give a 19 year old kid a 450hp twin turbo V8 Mercedes that can do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and feels super stable at 160mph and you'll are surprised that he gets clipped for doing 90?

Well ... he was going 108 in a 45-mph zone.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Jahlil-Okafor-TMZ-Speeding-Ben-Franklin-Bridge-Philadelphia-Video-369708141.html

I am not saying that such an act is a disqualifier (as you said, he is nineteen), but that is extremely dangerous and blatantly reckless. We are not talking about going 90 in the left lane on a 65-mph highway.

Wow, I didn't know that. That is a bit concerning. Moreso than the reaction to the heckling fan imo.

[bwgood77]

OK4 got caught doing something every NBA player does - speeding. Whoop de do.

Dude is 19 and he is a millionaire. You give a 19 year old kid a 450hp twin turbo V8 Mercedes that can do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and feels super stable at 160mph and you'll are surprised that he gets clipped for doing 90?

Well ... he was going 108 in a 45-mph zone.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Jahlil-Okafor-TMZ-Speeding-Ben-Franklin-Bridge-Philadelphia-Video-369708141.html

I am not saying that such an act is a disqualifier (as you said, he is nineteen), but that is extremely dangerous and blatantly reckless. We are not talking about going 90 in the left lane on a 65-mph highway.

I did the same thing in my stepmoms Mazda-Rx8 when I was 19 in most likely a 45 zone. It was like 1am, did this frequently actually.

Well I'm guessing we wouldn't trade the 4th pick for you for sure. I did drive 120 once when I was like 17, but at least it was on the freeway.

[JMac1]

Lol, I thought this was an Okafor thread, not Car and Driver.

[Bogyo]

How many times during the year do I read people want to get rid of Bledsoe or Knight because they aren't great with handle, passing or shooting - 3 basic PG / G skills.

Then we'd get a big who can't rebound, defend or stretch with the 3, on even bigger contract once extended.

That would be one of the points - to actually get rid of Knight.
Plus he is still better (especially for us, but in general as well), than anything that the #4 pick has to offer this year - unless you are sure about Bender, which I'm not, but I'm torn between these two guys in all honesty.

[jcsunsfan]

I thought Okafor was a decent rebounder. He certainly is a low post scorer, and has an OK midrange game. I have seen video of him playing good D, but he doesn't seem to do it consistently. I think interviews will make a huge difference in knowing what he actually can be. Its hard to get a good read when he was playing with that Philly team this year. It must be demoralizing to play for a team that you know WANTS to lose. Why play D in that situation? --especially for such a young player.

I don't really care whether he plays C or PF. We can figure that out later.

[darealjuice]

I'd take Okafor for the 4th pick and run with it no doubt. A Booker/Okafor inside-out game would be beautiful to watch develop, and I think he can definitely be a top center in the modern NBA with how skilled he is. His fighting incident was a bit stupid, but word is that guy was following him around and antagonizing him all night so I probably would have dropped him too if I were Jah. He showed improvement through the year on defense and has a silky post game, I'm all for it. He's a 1st team All-Rookie in what's looking like a stacked draft class, I seriously doubt we'll find better than him at #4 in this draft, so you can mark me down for #1 and #3

[Ericb5]

As a Sixers fan, and big Okafor fan, I would definitely take 4 and Knight for him, and that is purely because of fit on our team, and a need to balance our roster.


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[letsgosuns]

Look how much Sixers fans love the Pick 4/Knight for Okafor deal. I cannot believe so many fans want to get rid of a 1st team All-Rookie 20 year old center that averaged 18 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk a game. Seems insane.

[Ericb5]

Look how much Sixers fans love the Pick 4/Knight for Okafor deal. I cannot believe so many fans want to get rid of a 1st team All-Rookie 20 year old center that averaged 18 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk a game. Seems insane.

Because he doesn't fit well with 2 better players in Embiid and Simmons, plus 4 and Knight would be an entire starting backcourt for us.

You have to give to get in the NBA. It's a function of fit, and trade value.




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[letsgosuns]

Look how much Sixers fans love the Pick 4/Knight for Okafor deal. I cannot believe so many fans want to get rid of a 1st team All-Rookie 20 year old center that averaged 18 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk a game. Seems insane.

Because he doesn't fit well with 2 better players in Embiid and Simmons, plus 4 and Knight would be an entire starting backcourt for us.

You have to give to get in the NBA. It's a function of fit, and trade value.




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You are betting on two guys that have never played one minute in the NBA over a guy that has already proven good enough to be named 1st team All Rookie. Not to mention but Embiid was drafted two years ago and has not even played competitive basketball for a long time and no one knows what he will do when he starts playing. It is crazy to me that a team wants to trade a guy that was just named 1st team All Rookie and rely on players that are completely unproven.

[Ericb5]

Look how much Sixers fans love the Pick 4/Knight for Okafor deal. I cannot believe so many fans want to get rid of a 1st team All-Rookie 20 year old center that averaged 18 pts, 7 rbs, and 1 blk a game. Seems insane.

Because he doesn't fit well with 2 better players in Embiid and Simmons, plus 4 and Knight would be an entire starting backcourt for us.

You have to give to get in the NBA. It's a function of fit, and trade value.




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You are betting on two guys that have never played one minute in the NBA over a guy that has already proven good enough to be named 1st team All Rookie. Not to mention but Embiid was drafted two years ago and has not even played competitive basketball for a long time and no one knows what he will do when he starts playing. It is crazy to me that a team wants to trade a guy that was just named 1st team All Rookie and rely on players that are completely unproven.

Some Sixers fans agree with you.

I'm convinced of Simmons being the real deal, and Embiid is the franchise if he can be healthy.

I think that he is in a very good place medically right now. There are a lot concrete reasons to be optimistic, but the number one reason that I am optimistic is just that I AM optimistic. Lol

Trading Okafor is not without risk. I am willing to take that risk for Dunn, and Knight. I don't believe that Knight is a point guard, but as a shooting guard I really like him. You just have to make sure that you pair him with another guard with enough size to defend certain match ups.

Basically, I would rate our 4 best players in the following order.

1. Embiid
2. Simmons
3. Okafor
4. Noel

Okafor isn't a great fit with any of the other 3, and trading him slots the rest of them into ideal roles. Btw, his poor fit with Noel is mostly Noel's fault.

Noel starts at center until Embiid can get established, and then moves to the bench.

Simmons, Saric, and Covington split time at the 3 and 4.

Then we go from a Dleague backcourt to a talented young NBA backcourt, and maybe we start going places.




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[letsgosuns]

Because he doesn't fit well with 2 better players in Embiid and Simmons, plus 4 and Knight would be an entire starting backcourt for us.

You have to give to get in the NBA. It's a function of fit, and trade value.




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You are betting on two guys that have never played one minute in the NBA over a guy that has already proven good enough to be named 1st team All Rookie. Not to mention but Embiid was drafted two years ago and has not even played competitive basketball for a long time and no one knows what he will do when he starts playing. It is crazy to me that a team wants to trade a guy that was just named 1st team All Rookie and rely on players that are completely unproven.

Some Sixers fans agree with you.

I'm convinced of Simmons being the real deal, and Embiid is the franchise if he can be healthy.

I think that he is in a very good place medically right now. There are a lot concrete reasons to be optimistic, but the number one reason that I am optimistic is just that I AM optimistic. Lol

Trading Okafor is not without risk. I am willing to take that risk for Dunn, and Knight. I don't believe that Knight is a point guard, but as a shooting guard I really like him. You just have to make sure that you pair him with another guard with enough size to defend certain match ups.

Basically, I would rate our 4 best players in the following order.

1. Embiid
2. Simmons
3. Okafor
4. Noel

Okafor isn't a great fit with any of the other 3, and trading him slots the rest of them into ideal roles. Btw, his poor fit with Noel is mostly Noel's fault.

Noel starts at center until Embiid can get established, and then moves to the bench.

Simmons, Saric, and Covington split time at the 3 and 4.

Then we go from a Dleague backcourt to a talented young NBA backcourt, and maybe we start going places.




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Knight wants to play point guard. He said that many times. Yet I think everyone knows he is not a point guard except him. Anyway, if you really think the 4th pick and Knight together are better than Okafor, then okay. I am not going to try to convince you otherwise. I think one thing you are forgetting about is the 76ers employ Jerry Colangelo now. He is the master of recruiting. He did it his entire career with the Suns and also with the Diamondbacks. He got so many players to sign with both teams and I think it will shock everyone the caliber of players he will recruit to the 76ers. Have you thought about just signing guards instead of trading for them? Why not just go after free agents with the guy who has a personal relationship with everyone from Team USA.

[bwgood77]

You are betting on two guys that have never played one minute in the NBA over a guy that has already proven good enough to be named 1st team All Rookie. Not to mention but Embiid was drafted two years ago and has not even played competitive basketball for a long time and no one knows what he will do when he starts playing. It is crazy to me that a team wants to trade a guy that was just named 1st team All Rookie and rely on players that are completely unproven.

Some Sixers fans agree with you.

I'm convinced of Simmons being the real deal, and Embiid is the franchise if he can be healthy.

I think that he is in a very good place medically right now. There are a lot concrete reasons to be optimistic, but the number one reason that I am optimistic is just that I AM optimistic. Lol

Trading Okafor is not without risk. I am willing to take that risk for Dunn, and Knight. I don't believe that Knight is a point guard, but as a shooting guard I really like him. You just have to make sure that you pair him with another guard with enough size to defend certain match ups.

Basically, I would rate our 4 best players in the following order.

1. Embiid
2. Simmons
3. Okafor
4. Noel

Okafor isn't a great fit with any of the other 3, and trading him slots the rest of them into ideal roles. Btw, his poor fit with Noel is mostly Noel's fault.

Noel starts at center until Embiid can get established, and then moves to the bench.

Simmons, Saric, and Covington split time at the 3 and 4.

Then we go from a Dleague backcourt to a talented young NBA backcourt, and maybe we start going places.




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Knight wants to play point guard. He said that many times. Yet I think everyone knows he is not a point guard except him. Anyway, if you really think the 4th pick and Knight together are better than Okafor, then okay. I am not going to try to convince you otherwise. I think one thing you are forgetting about is the 76ers employ Jerry Colangelo now. He is the master of recruiting. He did it his entire career with the Suns and also with the Diamondbacks. He got so many players to sign with both teams and I think it will shock everyone the caliber of players he will recruit to the 76ers. Have you thought about just signing guards instead of trading for them? Why not just go after free agents with the guy who has a personal relationship with everyone from Team USA.

Man, Dunn and Knight sounds a little like Bledsoe and Knight. I was almost about to say Murray makes more sense, but with either of those pairing up in the backcourt, you are in for a lot of turnovers.

[DRK]

Lol, I thought this was an Okafor thread, not Car and Driver.

You mad because your mummy's Hyundai cant hit 60 in the highway?

[DirtyDez]

No way McD does this after markieff.

It has more to do with Len. Okafor and Len can't play together on a non-tanking team. Also Len's value is low. He's not good and coming off his rookie deal. McD isn't selling low on him.

[Ericb5]

You are betting on two guys that have never played one minute in the NBA over a guy that has already proven good enough to be named 1st team All Rookie. Not to mention but Embiid was drafted two years ago and has not even played competitive basketball for a long time and no one knows what he will do when he starts playing. It is crazy to me that a team wants to trade a guy that was just named 1st team All Rookie and rely on players that are completely unproven.

Some Sixers fans agree with you.

I'm convinced of Simmons being the real deal, and Embiid is the franchise if he can be healthy.

I think that he is in a very good place medically right now. There are a lot concrete reasons to be optimistic, but the number one reason that I am optimistic is just that I AM optimistic. Lol

Trading Okafor is not without risk. I am willing to take that risk for Dunn, and Knight. I don't believe that Knight is a point guard, but as a shooting guard I really like him. You just have to make sure that you pair him with another guard with enough size to defend certain match ups.

Basically, I would rate our 4 best players in the following order.

1. Embiid
2. Simmons
3. Okafor
4. Noel

Okafor isn't a great fit with any of the other 3, and trading him slots the rest of them into ideal roles. Btw, his poor fit with Noel is mostly Noel's fault.

Noel starts at center until Embiid can get established, and then moves to the bench.

Simmons, Saric, and Covington split time at the 3 and 4.

Then we go from a Dleague backcourt to a talented young NBA backcourt, and maybe we start going places.




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Knight wants to play point guard. He said that many times. Yet I think everyone knows he is not a point guard except him. Anyway, if you really think the 4th pick and Knight together are better than Okafor, then okay. I am not going to try to convince you otherwise. I think one thing you are forgetting about is the 76ers employ Jerry Colangelo now. He is the master of recruiting. He did it his entire career with the Suns and also with the Diamondbacks. He got so many players to sign with both teams and I think it will shock everyone the caliber of players he will recruit to the 76ers. Have you thought about just signing guards instead of trading for them? Why not just go after free agents with the guy who has a personal relationship with everyone from Team USA.

I don't know.

Part of me is just rationalizing the fact that I think that BC WILL trade Okafor at the draft.

I think that long term Okafor probably WILL need to be traded. My preference is to hold on to him and see if we can package him plus the Lakers pick for a better player, but the writing seems to be on the wall right now.

I don't like any of the players in this draft after the first two very much. I think that Dunn is the best of a relatively weak group, and I like Knight too. I actually didn't know that he thinks of himself as a point. I don't really know his personality at all. I just know his skills. If we got him hopefully that wouldn't be an issue.

He's a really good player. He just shouldn't be running your team. If we had him, Dunn, and Simmons then he wouldn't be running the team.




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[bwgood77]

Some Sixers fans agree with you.

I'm convinced of Simmons being the real deal, and Embiid is the franchise if he can be healthy.

I think that he is in a very good place medically right now. There are a lot concrete reasons to be optimistic, but the number one reason that I am optimistic is just that I AM optimistic. Lol

Trading Okafor is not without risk. I am willing to take that risk for Dunn, and Knight. I don't believe that Knight is a point guard, but as a shooting guard I really like him. You just have to make sure that you pair him with another guard with enough size to defend certain match ups.

Basically, I would rate our 4 best players in the following order.

1. Embiid
2. Simmons
3. Okafor
4. Noel

Okafor isn't a great fit with any of the other 3, and trading him slots the rest of them into ideal roles. Btw, his poor fit with Noel is mostly Noel's fault.

Noel starts at center until Embiid can get established, and then moves to the bench.

Simmons, Saric, and Covington split time at the 3 and 4.

Then we go from a Dleague backcourt to a talented young NBA backcourt, and maybe we start going places.




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Knight wants to play point guard. He said that many times. Yet I think everyone knows he is not a point guard except him. Anyway, if you really think the 4th pick and Knight together are better than Okafor, then okay. I am not going to try to convince you otherwise. I think one thing you are forgetting about is the 76ers employ Jerry Colangelo now. He is the master of recruiting. He did it his entire career with the Suns and also with the Diamondbacks. He got so many players to sign with both teams and I think it will shock everyone the caliber of players he will recruit to the 76ers. Have you thought about just signing guards instead of trading for them? Why not just go after free agents with the guy who has a personal relationship with everyone from Team USA.

I don't know.

Part of me is just rationalizing the fact that I think that BC WILL trade Okafor at the draft.

I think that long term Okafor probably WILL need to be traded. My preference is to hold on to him and see if we can package him plus the Lakers pick for a better player, but the writing seems to be on the wall right now.

I don't like any of the players in this draft after the first two very much. I think that Dunn is the best of a relatively weak group, and I like Knight too. I actually didn't know that he thinks of himself as a point. I don't really know his personality at all. I just know his skills. If we got him hopefully that wouldn't be an issue.

He's a really good player. He just shouldn't be running your team. If we had him, Dunn, and Simmons then he wouldn't be running the team.

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He has to be slowly realizing that he's not the point. His comments this year was that he has always played point and that's what he thinks he is. But at the end of the year reporters were asking him if he's ready to come off the bench (because of the emergence of Booker) and it was pretty clear he was not.

So getting that type of wake up call, probably made him realize he better accept a role if he wants to start.

The thing is, he was MUCH better playing with Bledsoe...I mean MUCH better than when he had to play point...but he still made some serious miscues at the end of games....I will say this...you don't want the ball in his hands in the closing seconds of a close game. He makes terrible turnovers that literally cost you the game. I'm talking just TERRIBLE ones like getting an inbounds pass that was almost a handoff out of bounds and then dribbling on his leg as it bounces out of bounds in a tie game with 2 seconds left leading to a last second out of bounds lob pass alley oop to Jeff Green for the win. Or being up in a game by like 1 with less than 24 seconds left (could have run out the clock) and trying to throw a pass over Marcus Morris (who played for Detroit) who stole it and they ended up winning.

In both of these games, in the game thread...and I think these were in consecutive games or at least on the same road trip were "ALL WE HAVE TO DO TO TO AVOID LOSING IS NOT TURN IT OVER ON THIS FINAL POSSESSION" and he proceeded to do it twice.

So ideally you want a better ball handler in crunch time. Once Knight gets rolling offensively and it is not a high pressure situation, he can get on fire....I mean not quite like Curry or Thompson, but he can just start sinking shot after shot. He does also get overconfident though and just jack up long 2s...sometimes right around the 3 pt line, with defenders on him and a wide open guy elsewhere, so he gets tunnel vision.

His best role is a spot up shooting guard, and although undersized for a SG, he is quick so can find his own shot if needed. So to play with a defensive pg like Dunn, he would be ok as long as he didn't handle the ball in crunch time.

It's too bad there isn't a pg out there with Ulis bbiq offensively and Dunn's ability defensively.

[jcsunsfan]

No way McD does this after markieff.

It has more to do with Len. Okafor and Len can't play together on a non-tanking team. Also Len's value is low. He's not good and coming off his rookie deal. McD isn't selling low on him.

Why in the world couldn't Okafor and Len play together? You don't know that. We really won't know until we try it.


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[Foshan]

It is interesting to see this debate from a different teams perspective.

From a Philly perspective (not that you care, i'm just avoiding working ) I would hate to give up on Okafor before we play him next to Embiid. I think they could be amazing together, yes they'd be big and slow... but I think their skill level would be worth it. So personally I'd prefer to trade Noel. Noel (IMO) is the ideal Center for the 'new NBA' but honestly i just don't see us having the talent at the other positions to match that GS style of play. But you guys probably aren't interested in Noel.

*IF* Bryan is intent on ignoring my advice and moving Okafor, I think PHX does make sense as a partner. #4/Knight (BC wants vets ) would be a better starting place than some other deals, although personally i'd hope for another asset, because I think Okafor is going to be a monster with a better supporting cast and better physical fitness.

[Damkac]

How about Bledsoe+13th instead and keeping 4th pick? If Philly wants Dunn then Bledsoe is very similar.