The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[jredsaz]

I mean your gutting your roster in the process but at least we acquired our big fish

Keep Bled, Booker, Len, and Goodwin. I don't think that roster is gutted. Warren is tough to give up. Knight not so much.

Knight, 4, 13, 28 and Warren? This was the deal for Carmelo Anthony in his prime: Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, a 2014 1st as well as two 2nds.

Maybe use green font next time?

Carmelo forced his way out with. Nuggets had to trade him or essentially get nothing. More over he forced his way to NY telling the world that he would only sign an extention if he was traded to the knicks. Carmelo was closer to a Dragic situation that the one we are discussing. Knicks were lucky to get that return.

Butler has three years left on his deal. Bulls are not forced to move him. Totally different situations.

Green for? Lol.

[jredsaz]

Keep Bled, Booker, Len, and Goodwin. I don't think that roster is gutted. Warren is tough to give up. Knight not so much.

Knight, 4, 13, 28 and Warren? This was the deal for Carmelo Anthony in his prime: Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, a 2014 1st as well as two 2nds.

Maybe use green font next time?

Carmelo forced his way out with. Nuggets had to trade him or essentially get nothing. More over he forced his way to NY telling the world that he would only sign an extention if he was traded to the knicks. Carmelo was closer to a Dragic situation that the one we are discussing. Nuggets were lucky to get that return.

Butler has three years left on his deal. Bulls are not forced to move him. Totally different situations.

Green font? Lol.

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[asudevil]

Keep Bled, Booker, Len, and Goodwin. I don't think that roster is gutted. Warren is tough to give up. Knight not so much.

Knight, 4, 13, 28 and Warren? This was the deal for Carmelo Anthony in his prime: Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, a 2014 1st as well as two 2nds.

Maybe use green font next time?

Carmelo forced his way out with. Nuggets had to trade him or essentially get nothing. More over he forced his way to NY telling the world that he would only sign an extention if he was traded to the knicks. Carmelo was closer to a Dragic situation that the one we are discussing. Knicks were lucky to get that return.

Butler has three years left on his deal. Bulls are not forced to move him. Totally different situations.

Green for? Lol.

I understand what you are saying....but the fact remains that NY got hosed in the deal. When healthy, Felton/Chandler/Gallinari/Mozgov was 4/5 of a decent starting lineup. Add a 1st and 2nds.....and it's an overpay even for a guy who has 4 years on a contract.

It was a stupid trade then, and a terrible trade now.

[sixers4real]

Listen, we are trading Okafor not because we don't like him, or because of the issues, or because he's bad. He's a beast inside and will only get better.
Two reasons: Embiid, Simmons. This is our starters at 5 and 4 next year with Noel and Saric off the bench.
I really want to trade Okafor for #4 and Knight.

[Cactus Jack]

Listen, we are trading Okafor not because we don't like him, or because of the issues, or because he's bad. He's a beast inside and will only get better.
Two reasons: Embiid, Simmons. This is our starters at 5 and 4 next year with Noel and Saric off the bench.
I really want to trade Okafor for #4 and Knight.

Deal. Can you make the trade call? Let's make this thing official.

[AtheJ415]

Listen, we are trading Okafor not because we don't like him, or because of the issues, or because he's bad. He's a beast inside and will only get better.
Two reasons: Embiid, Simmons. This is our starters at 5 and 4 next year with Noel and Saric off the bench.
I really want to trade Okafor for #4 and Knight.

Many here hate Knight, but pretty sure Phoenix would never do that trade. Knight or #4 is possible, but I'd be shocked if it was both.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If that happens we need to trade Chandler or Len I assume.

[Qwigglez]

If that happens we need to trade Chandler or Len I assume.

Would rather just play Okafor at the 4. He has a decent mid-range shot and will likely improve in that range. Len should also be improving on his mid-range shot as well so I think both can co-exist without getting in each other way on the offensive end of the court. Now, Okafor and Chandler may be tough to adjust to, but we can mitigate that by having Chandler come off the bench with Tellytubby.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If you look at the final 4 teams Okafor fits in much better at PF:

Able to negate weaknesses with Scola and Ibaka being similar rebounders, Love a similar defender, then beats Green and the 3 others as a scorer.

I really don't like him a Center though, head to head he's a worse rebounder and defender than Valanciunus, Thompson, Adams, Bogut and they have other players who can score effeciently.

I guess if we targetted an Aldridge / Chandler front court, then we'd be ok with similar duo with Okafor.

[sunsbum]

Listen, we are trading Okafor not because we don't like him, or because of the issues, or because he's bad. He's a beast inside and will only get better.
Two reasons: Embiid, Simmons. This is our starters at 5 and 4 next year with Noel and Saric off the bench.
I really want to trade Okafor for #4 and Knight.

i hate to break it to you but there is no way you are drafting simmons.

[Mulhollanddrive]

They are, Brett Brown coached Simmons Dad about 20 years ago and has known Ben all his life.

If they draft Ingram, they have no reason to trade out Okafor.

[thamadkant]

Listen, we are trading Okafor not because we don't like him, or because of the issues, or because he's bad. He's a beast inside and will only get better.
Two reasons: Embiid, Simmons. This is our starters at 5 and 4 next year with Noel and Saric off the bench.
I really want to trade Okafor for #4 and Knight.

Many here hate Knight, but pretty sure Phoenix would never do that trade. Knight or #4 is possible, but I'd be shocked if it was both.

Okafor's numbers as a 19 year old was almost as nice if not nicer than a 23 year old Knight that was given high usage and green light to shoot.

And Okafor is 7 to 8 inches taller....

Knight for Okafor straight up is NOT going to happen.


Maybe Knight and pick 13... depending how generous Colangelo feels.

[sixers4real]

Listen, we are trading Okafor not because we don't like him, or because of the issues, or because he's bad. He's a beast inside and will only get better.
Two reasons: Embiid, Simmons. This is our starters at 5 and 4 next year with Noel and Saric off the bench.
I really want to trade Okafor for #4 and Knight.

Many here hate Knight, but pretty sure Phoenix would never do that trade. Knight or #4 is possible, but I'd be shocked if it was both.

Okafor's numbers as a 19 year old was almost as nice if not nicer than a 23 year old Knight that was given high usage and green light to shoot.

And Okafor is 7 to 8 inches taller....

Knight for Okafor straight up is NOT going to happen.


Maybe Knight and pick 13... depending how generous Colangelo feels.

The point of the trade is getting Kris Dunn, as both BC and Brett Brown seem to be very interested in.
My offer is still the same lol. Okafor + 24 + 26 for Knight and Dunn.

[carey]

The point of the trade is getting Kris Dunn, as both BC and Brett Brown seem to be very interested in.
My offer is still the same lol. Okafor + 24 + 26 for Knight and Dunn.

Hard pass then. Okafor for #4? Yes. Knight for 24 & 26? No. If you want Knight you have to put Saric on the table, period.

Lets just talk about assembling the 76ers roster for a moment. Saric is a better shooting version of Ben SImmons right now. If you draft Simmons it's my opinion Saric never comes over as a 76er. You should really consider drafting Ingram, keeping Okafor and moving Noel instead. Ingram-Saric-Okafor is one hell of a front court. I would seriously consider trading 24 & 26 to move up in the draft slightly to draft Ulis.

[Qwigglez]

I don't see the Suns saying playing hard ball if Okafor was on the table. I wouldn't walk away from the deal just because of Brandon Knight. I bet McD takes that deal, trades one of those picks for cash to the Nets (you know Sarver would love that), and then package the other two late picks for a pick in the late teens.

[bwgood77]

The point of the trade is getting Kris Dunn, as both BC and Brett Brown seem to be very interested in.
My offer is still the same lol. Okafor + 24 + 26 for Knight and Dunn.

Hard pass then. Okafor for #4? Yes. Knight for 24 & 26? No. If you want Knight you have to put Saric on the table, period.

Lets just talk about assembling the 76ers roster for a moment. Saric is a better shooting version of Ben SImmons right now. If you draft Simmons it's my opinion Saric never comes over as a 76er. You should really consider drafting Ingram, keeping Okafor and moving Noel instead. Ingram-Saric-Okafor is one hell of a front court. I would seriously consider trading 24 & 26 to move up in the draft slightly to draft Ulis.

Yeah, I agree. Ingram, Saric and Okafor/Embiid would be HIGHLY preferable to me over Murray or Dunn or Hield/Simmons/Noel/Embiid

[letsgosuns]

That FIFA report about Batum re-signing with the Hornets is actually from a little while ago and Idk how reliable it is, but let's just say it is accurate so he is off the table. Horford most likely will re-sign with the Hawks or go to a contending team. He is about to turn 30 so it does not make sense for him to go to any of the worst teams in the league. That leaves only Harrison Barnes out of the three guys Gambo mentioned. Does anybody want Harrison Barnes? I have no interest in him. He is averaging 9 pts and 5 rebounds in 31 minutes a game during the playoffs so far. His regular season averages are not much better. Surely T.J. Warren could average at least those same numbers or better with 31 minutes a game. Plus it would most likely take a max contract and a sign and trade to get Barnes. That sounds crazy. Suns should pass on trying to sign him.

[carey]

I don't see the Suns saying playing hard ball if Okafor was on the table. I wouldn't walk away from the deal just because of Brandon Knight. I bet McD takes that deal, trades one of those picks for cash to the Nets (you know Sarver would love that), and then package the other two late picks for a pick in the late teens.

In essence we'd have traded #4 in 2016, a future 1st from the Lakers that could be anywhere from #4 to #8 next year (I highly doubt it is any lower than that,) Tyler Ennis, and Miles Plumlee for Jahlil Okafor. That's an awful lot so yeah, I think Brandon Knight would be a sticking point for me. I know a lot of you will say that I can't look at the deal like that because the Knight trade has already been done but from an asset perspective it's just a ton.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If you're trading for a guy who you will pay the best part of $200m over his career (8 years @ Future Max) who you think will average 20 / 9 or something similar for a decade, you should be prepared to throw in all the junk necessary.

If you're worried about hedging bets, overpaying, not sure if value is there, or if he'll work out, then he's not the right target in the first place.

[Qwigglez]

I don't see the Suns saying playing hard ball if Okafor was on the table. I wouldn't walk away from the deal just because of Brandon Knight. I bet McD takes that deal, trades one of those picks for cash to the Nets (you know Sarver would love that), and then package the other two late picks for a pick in the late teens.

In essence we'd have traded #4 in 2016, a future 1st from the Lakers that could be anywhere from #4 to #8 next year (I highly doubt it is any lower than that,) Tyler Ennis, and Miles Plumlee for Jahlil Okafor. That's an awful lot so yeah, I think Brandon Knight would be a sticking point for me. I know a lot of you will say that I can't look at the deal like that because the Knight trade has already been done but from an asset perspective it's just a ton.

It's an awful lot of nothing. Ennis and Plumlee are hot garbage. Sure we trade our #4 pick which could turn out to be a phenomenal player, but also could be a complete bust. Brandon Knight is very expendable because we got Booker.