The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[JMac1]

The point of the trade is getting Kris Dunn, as both BC and Brett Brown seem to be very interested in.
My offer is still the same lol. Okafor + 24 + 26 for Knight and Dunn.

Hard pass then. Okafor for #4? Yes. Knight for 24 & 26? No. If you want Knight you have to put Saric on the table, period.

Lets just talk about assembling the 76ers roster for a moment. Saric is a better shooting version of Ben SImmons right now. If you draft Simmons it's my opinion Saric never comes over as a 76er. You should really consider drafting Ingram, keeping Okafor and moving Noel instead. Ingram-Saric-Okafor is one hell of a front court. I would seriously consider trading 24 & 26 to move up in the draft slightly to draft Ulis.

Yeah, I agree. Ingram, Saric and Okafor/Embiid would be HIGHLY preferable to me over Murray or Dunn or Hield/Simmons/Noel/Embiid[/quote]


Why not Dunn or Murray, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid/Noel? You have a 1,3,4,5 and Noel (different 5); Why have a 3 and 4 who are the same player in Saric/Ingram and two C's that are redundant in Okafor and Embiid. Saric makes a big difference, you excluded him in your second lineup.

[bwgood77]

Hard pass then. Okafor for #4? Yes. Knight for 24 & 26? No. If you want Knight you have to put Saric on the table, period.

Lets just talk about assembling the 76ers roster for a moment. Saric is a better shooting version of Ben SImmons right now. If you draft Simmons it's my opinion Saric never comes over as a 76er. You should really consider drafting Ingram, keeping Okafor and moving Noel instead. Ingram-Saric-Okafor is one hell of a front court. I would seriously consider trading 24 & 26 to move up in the draft slightly to draft Ulis.

Yeah, I agree. Ingram, Saric and Okafor/Embiid would be HIGHLY preferable to me over Murray or Dunn or Hield/Simmons/Noel/Embiid[/quote]


Why not Dunn or Murray, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid/Noel? You have a 1,3,4,5 and Noel (different 5); Why have a 3 and 4 who are the same player in Saric/Ingram and two C's that are redundant in Okafor and Embiid. Saric makes a big difference, you excluded him in your second lineup.

Simmons/Noel/Embiid all lane cloggers. No spacing.

[carey]

Why not Dunn or Murray, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid/Noel? You have a 1,3,4,5 and Noel (different 5); Why have a 3 and 4 who are the same player in Saric/Ingram and two C's that are redundant in Okafor and Embiid. Saric makes a big difference, you excluded him in your second lineup.

If you read the post, there is a reason Saric is left out. I do not think he comes over to the 76ers if you draft Simmons #1. Why would he come over to get the 4th front-court minutes and backup Simmons? I believe he's much better than that so I assume he believes it too.

[Bogyo]

If that happens we need to trade Chandler or Len I assume.

Not necessarily. Len is on the last year of his rookie deal, and did play some 4 already next to Chandler. Plus he is injury prone a bit, so we should definatley wait and see what we got here. Chandler is also injured more and more, so I guess we would have enough time for all 3 at the C and the PF positions. Sure, its not fully ideal, but nowhere near as big of a problem as the Hydra was.

[bwgood77]

Trade idea on trade forum viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1449595

[JMac1]

Yeah, I agree. Ingram, Saric and Okafor/Embiid would be HIGHLY preferable to me over Murray or Dunn or Hield/Simmons/Noel/Embiid[/quote]


Why not Dunn or Murray, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid/Noel? You have a 1,3,4,5 and Noel (different 5); Why have a 3 and 4 who are the same player in Saric/Ingram and two C's that are redundant in Okafor and Embiid. Saric makes a big difference, you excluded him in your second lineup.

Simmons/Noel/Embiid all lane cloggers. No spacing.

Noel and Embiid wouldn't be on the floor at the same time, and Simmons is a Point Forward. Okafor and Embiid and Noel and Embiid are the lane cloggers Philly knows that first hand with Okafor and Noel.

[JMac1]

Why not Dunn or Murray, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid/Noel? You have a 1,3,4,5 and Noel (different 5); Why have a 3 and 4 who are the same player in Saric/Ingram and two C's that are redundant in Okafor and Embiid. Saric makes a big difference, you excluded him in your second lineup.

If you read the post, there is a reason Saric is left out. I do not think he comes over to the 76ers if you draft Simmons #1. Why would he come over to get the 4th front-court minutes and backup Simmons? I believe he's much better than that so I assume he believes it too.

I did read it, doesn't make it so and he is a member of the team so being that could be a lineup, you have to consider it.

[jcsunsfan]

Why not Dunn or Murray, Saric, Simmons, and Embiid/Noel? You have a 1,3,4,5 and Noel (different 5); Why have a 3 and 4 who are the same player in Saric/Ingram and two C's that are redundant in Okafor and Embiid. Saric makes a big difference, you excluded him in your second lineup.

If you read the post, there is a reason Saric is left out. I do not think he comes over to the 76ers if you draft Simmons #1. Why would he come over to get the 4th front-court minutes and backup Simmons? I believe he's much better than that so I assume he believes it too.

I did read it, doesn't make it so and he is a member of the team so being that could be a lineup, you have to consider it.

#4, #13 for Okafor and Saric?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

It's just incredible how many different directions we may be able go this offseason. Wouldn't be the case if we didn't have such a deep and diverse pool of assets at our disposal (thanks McD!).

[JMac1]

If you read the post, there is a reason Saric is left out. I do not think he comes over to the 76ers if you draft Simmons #1. Why would he come over to get the 4th front-court minutes and backup Simmons? I believe he's much better than that so I assume he believes it too.

I did read it, doesn't make it so and he is a member of the team so being that could be a lineup, you have to consider it.

#4, #13 for Okafor and Saric?

Why would Philly do that? Saric is better than the #13 and Okafor for the #4 alone would be doing us a favor IMO, and it is what I am hoping for if it were to happen.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I did read it, doesn't make it so and he is a member of the team so being that could be a lineup, you have to consider it.

#4, #13 for Okafor and Saric?

Why would Philly do that? Saric is better than the #13 and Okafor for the #4 alone would be doing us a favor IMO, and it is what I am hoping for if it were to happen.

Eh, looks pretty fair to me. We'd be perhaps the worst defensive team in the league afterwards, but given the hard-on everyone around here seems to have for Okafor, whatever.

I could stomach losing Knight in that trade - would prefer that to sending the #13. If we sent Len to Orlando for #11, I could stomach giving up #13. We don't know how good Saric is, though I think it's unlikely he'll be a great rebounder or defender. How about #4 and Knight for Noel and Saric? Keep Len, trade Chandler, and rotate those Len/Noel/Saric/Telly? Problem there is that Len would really have to improve his J to play next to Noel, and they'd both be up for extension.

The rosterbation is endless. And ultimately pointless. But here we all are.

[letsgosuns]

I watched a bunch of highlights of Okafor. I know it is a crude way to judge a player but it the only way you can sometimes unless you watch the player's team on a consistent basis. Anyway, his pros are great footwork and touch around the basket. Really good in the paint and solid mid-range game. Very creative. Cons are does not appear to be a dominant athlete and plays more on the ground. Is not a big, tall center. Not many highlights involve defense.

When you look at championship centers of the past that were focal points of their teams, what is the one thing they have in common? They are all huge (at least 7 feet) and usually athletically dominant. Shaq, Olajuwon, Kareem, Chamberlain, Robinson, even Pau Gasol. All of those guys towered over their opponents. What attributes does Okafor have that are unique? Idk. He is not 7 feet tall. He does not jump all over people. He does not shoot further than 12-18 feet so he cannot stretch the floor. He has not shown himself to be a good defender. He plays more like a power forward than a center. Now if the Suns want to play him as a power forward next to Chandler/Len and have a dominant inside game, I am all for that. I know people are in love with the Warriors style of play right now and obsessed with stretch fours, but that is not the only way to win. It should still be possible to win with dominant inside players.

The key is if Okafor is worth the fourth pick as a guy that, imo, is not a true center. There are some pretty great athletes available in the draft and/or other players in the league the Suns could trade for, so it is a tough decision. If the Suns do end up trading for Okafor, they better be sure he is 100% better than anyone they can draft at their slot or potentially trade for.

[jcsunsfan]

I did read it, doesn't make it so and he is a member of the team so being that could be a lineup, you have to consider it.

#4, #13 for Okafor and Saric?

Why would Philly do that? Saric is better than the #13 and Okafor for the #4 alone would be doing us a favor IMO, and it is what I am hoping for if it were to happen.

Just trying to get a feel for value. On the Philly board, the general consensus is that #4 and Knight for Okafor would be an excellent deal for them. So, I am thinking that #4 for Okafor is about right. Not sure the value of Saric, but if they add Simmons, Saric is a bit redundant. Maybe something like #4, #13, and Bogdan for Okafor and Saric.

[JMac1]

#4, #13 for Okafor and Saric?

Why would Philly do that? Saric is better than the #13 and Okafor for the #4 alone would be doing us a favor IMO, and it is what I am hoping for if it were to happen.

Eh, looks pretty fair to me. We'd be perhaps the worst defensive team in the league afterwards, but given the hard-on everyone around here seems to have for Okafor, whatever.

I could stomach losing Knight in that trade - would prefer that to sending the #13. If we sent Len to Orlando for #11, I could stomach giving up #13. We don't know how good Saric is, though I think it's unlikely he'll be a great rebounder or defender. How about #4 and Knight for Noel and Saric? Keep Len, trade Chandler, and rotate those Len/Noel/Saric/Telly? Problem there is that Len would really have to improve his J to play next to Noel, and they'd both be up for extension.

The rosterbation is endless. And ultimately pointless. But here we all are.

Maybe you should watch how he dominated KAT, Cousins, Staps, Jordan and others, then maybe you'll get a boner too.

Saric is good enough that Philly isn't discussing trading him.


Butler rosterbation and Cousins, but not Okafor. There is a report (how true, whatever) and we have the goods to get it done, sorry if that bothers you.

[rsavaj]

just as a counterpoint...Enes Kanter got super-limited minutes last night because they couldn't afford to have a defensive liability on the floor, despite his post skills

Noel is a better fit for most teams, IMO...his defense will always make him playable, much like Biyombo. Problem is his offense is limited to garbage buckets, and he's in line for a payday next summer

[Skin]

Okafor for 4

or

Vucevic + 11 for 4

?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Why would Philly do that? Saric is better than the #13 and Okafor for the #4 alone would be doing us a favor IMO, and it is what I am hoping for if it were to happen.

Eh, looks pretty fair to me. We'd be perhaps the worst defensive team in the league afterwards, but given the hard-on everyone around here seems to have for Okafor, whatever.

I could stomach losing Knight in that trade - would prefer that to sending the #13. If we sent Len to Orlando for #11, I could stomach giving up #13. We don't know how good Saric is, though I think it's unlikely he'll be a great rebounder or defender. How about #4 and Knight for Noel and Saric? Keep Len, trade Chandler, and rotate those Len/Noel/Saric/Telly? Problem there is that Len would really have to improve his J to play next to Noel, and they'd both be up for extension.

The rosterbation is endless. And ultimately pointless. But here we all are.

Maybe you should watch how he dominated KAT, Cousins, Staps, Jordan and others, then maybe you'll get a boner too.

Saric is good enough that Philly isn't discussing trading him.


Butler rosterbation and Cousins, but not Okafor. There is a report (how true, whatever) and we have the goods to get it done, sorry if that bothers you.

"Dominated"

I watched those highlight videos, too. Color me unimpressed. He's a better fit with the Celtics. IMO, he's more of a name than he is a true franchise cornerstone. I think we can do better.

If someone offered a young Al Jeff for the #4, would you take it? He's never been on a winning team. But he is a better rebounder than Okafor. And he doesn't get into fist fights with strangers or drive at reckless high speeds, from what I can tell. I wish we had been able to see Okafor against Len, but unfortunately, Okafor was injured for both those games.

I rosterbate as much as anyone. No criticism meant.

[JMac1]

just as a counterpoint...Enes Kanter got super-limited minutes last night because they couldn't afford to have a defensive liability on the floor, despite his post skills

Noel is a better fit for most teams, IMO...his defense will always make him playable, much like Biyombo. Problem is his offense is limited to garbage buckets, and he's in line for a payday next summer

Post skills from Kanter? He looked like hot garbage the last two games, missing bunny after bunny. Kanter offense isn't close to Okafor. Okafor makes up for his "lack" of defense on offense, Kanter doesn't.

[saintEscaton]

Okafor is on another stratosphere. This guys has the nimble footwork of a ballerina, he can reverse palm the ball with his gigantic hands going into a driving spin move and can fake out anybody

[TeamTragic]

Philly wants another top 5 pick and backcourt help.

PHI gets: #4, Knight

Chicago would presumably want young high ceiling talent and picks to build around if they do choose to move on from Butler.

CHI gets: Okafor, Warren, #13, #28

Phoenix wants a star.

PHX gets: Butler