Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 season Pick Watch Thread

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Guess they're holding out for 1st tier guys then...

They won't get 1st tier guys. I think Conley if he loses his **** mind in the summer might be the only one they have a shot at. They should try for 1+1 overpaid deals like the one we gave Amir this year. At the very least they have to try and screw us out of the top 4..lol

was being sarcastic lol..i hope they dont get 3rd tier guys as well..no one with a remote chance of providing veteran help.

[ddb]

listen, every team in the league is going to try to get better this offseason. Even the teams that are "rebuilding" are trying to "better" their situation by picking a path and going down that path. In BK's case, they have money....They have a good market. But they have no draft picks of value, and no story to tell. At best they are overspending for 2nd and 3rd tier Free agents. Unless Marks has some sort of crazy pull around the league that nobody knows about.

[Celts17Pride]

I don't think Ainge trades that 2017 Nets pick unless it makes the Celtics instant contenders.

Matter of fact I don't think Ainge can trade the pick swap at all.

[Celts17Pride]

I also don't think anyone knew Deron Williams was so far gone. He seemed like a little weight loss and motivation away from being closer to his star level.

I've been saying Deron Williams is done for 3 years now. You just caught up.

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I don't think Ainge trades that 2017 Nets pick unless it makes the Celtics instant contenders.

Matter of fact I don't think Ainge can trade the pick swap at all.

He can trade the lesser or better of the pick swap, so he could add the 2017 pick, just not the good pick

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Ainge can deal that 2017 pick, because all rights/protections on the pick will be transferred with it. At least that's how it works when you deal a protected pick that belonged to another team. Don't see why it wouldn't work going the other way.

[theman]

Ainge can deal that 2017 pick, because all rights/protections on the pick will be transferred with it. At least that's how it works when you deal a protected pick that belonged to another team. Don't see why it wouldn't work going the other way.

Likewise the Net's can trade their/Boston's pick. If Brooklyn makes the trade they are trading the "least favorable of their own and the Celtics picks". If Boston trades the pick they are trading "the more favorable of their own and the Nets pick".

[theman]

Who do the Celtics have that are better than Thad Young and Brooke Lopez? Is the problem that the rest of the team is that dreadful? If Young and Lopez didn't play for the Nets or the Celtics didn't own their picks would you trade Isaiah Thomas for one of those two guys? What about Jae Crowder?

That said the only other Net I would be interested in is RHJ.

I wonder if the new GM will try to orchestrate things so the Nets can be mediocre in the next two seasons and tank for the 2019 draft. Maybe he could give out max contracts that only last two seasons.

The problem for the Nets is every team will have money to spend. So unless a player wants to be in Brooklyn (and why there over the Knicks?) it will be hard to lure a player there.

How many free agents this summer will deserve max money? Although that could be a net strategy. Instead of signing one player to the max sign two players to half max contracts. Who ever those players might be are likely upgrades to their current roster.

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I don't think Ainge trades that 2017 Nets pick unless it makes the Celtics instant contenders.

Matter of fact I don't think Ainge can trade the pick swap at all.

He can trade the lesser or better of the pick swap, so he could add the 2017 pick, just not the good pick

Just realised that was a dumb statement lol. We can't trade the lesser pick, it belongs to the Nets.

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Kyler responding to Nets fans
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[celtxman]

Who do the Celtics have that are better than Thad Young and Brooke Lopez? Is the problem that the rest of the team is that dreadful? If Young and Lopez didn't play for the Nets or the Celtics didn't own their picks would you trade Isaiah Thomas for one of those two guys? What about Jae Crowder?

That said the only other Net I would be interested in is RHJ.

I wonder if the new GM will try to orchestrate things so the Nets can be mediocre in the next two seasons and tank for the 2019 draft. Maybe he could give out max contracts that only last two seasons.

The problem for the Nets is every team will have money to spend. So unless a player wants to be in Brooklyn (and why there over the Knicks?) it will be hard to lure a player there.

How many free agents this summer will deserve max money? Although that could be a net strategy. Instead of signing one player to the max sign two players to half max contracts. Who ever those players might be are likely upgrades to their current roster.

The most recent news from the Nets has them building around Lopez and Young. Bad news for the Celtics. Sometimes we are very cavalier about saying the Nets will provide us a lottery or even a "high lottery pick" yet in almost the same breath we talk about being so disappointed at how the ping pong balls just dropped over one or two spots. We seem totally content at this point whether it is the 2nd overall or the 7th overall. Who cares? Thank you Danny and Billy King - we'll just sit back and collect....yet we gnash our teeth that we lost a spot or two in this lottery when the balls fell.
No Isaiah Thomas or Crowder gooing anywhere. Get the Nets into a Philly like state right now and give them back the 2018 pick to Brooklyn to seal that fate. They probably won't do it anymore with new management in place. But unless Danny has something huge that has a real chance of happening I don't see anything more helpful from what I posted earlier that I included below. Obviously this
won't happen -but it probably should have:

To be clear I am all in favor of using the #3 pick to go after someone like Cousins, Whiteside etc.
But the best deal this team could (could have?) made, might have been going after Lopez with the 2018 Brooklyn pick, Amir and Jerebko. With new management in place for the Nets, the ship may have sailed on this idea as they now want to build around Lopez. But at the trade deadline, if you read the NY writers, there was some talk that they might trade Lopez and Young anyway and start from scratch.
It is inconceivable that the Nets finish 2018 the same if they keep Lopez and possibly add someone like Lin. No one is talking about the Nets making the playoffs. What we're talking about is a Nets team that could resemble this year's Philly team if they trade Lopez and Young as opposed to a team that might be say the 6th pick. As we well know this year, the difference of even one or two picks is monumental. I'd rather have one #2 overall and Lopez than two #6's.
On the other side you instantly upgrade your team, you now can afford to take a flyer on Bender, Hield or Murray, you have get a player to show free agents we're serious, you don't have to give up anybody else and you still have room for a free agent.
There is no doubt in my mind this deal COULD have been made at the deadline.

[Homerclease]

Who do the Celtics have that are better than Thad Young and Brooke Lopez? Is the problem that the rest of the team is that dreadful? If Young and Lopez didn't play for the Nets or the Celtics didn't own their picks would you trade Isaiah Thomas for one of those two guys? What about Jae Crowder?

That said the only other Net I would be interested in is RHJ.

I wonder if the new GM will try to orchestrate things so the Nets can be mediocre in the next two seasons and tank for the 2019 draft. Maybe he could give out max contracts that only last two seasons.

The problem for the Nets is every team will have money to spend. So unless a player wants to be in Brooklyn (and why there over the Knicks?) it will be hard to lure a player there.

How many free agents this summer will deserve max money? Although that could be a net strategy. Instead of signing one player to the max sign two players to half max contracts. Who ever those players might be are likely upgrades to their current roster.

IT, Crowder, Bradley and Smart are all better than Lopez and Thad. Those guys are what their record was. They are 4th and 5th bananas on a decent team, let the nets be stuck with them. They have nowhere to go but down barring a miracle in free agency and as you so well put, everyone has money this year

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Kyler responding to Nets fans
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Bazemore is going to make bank and probably Fournier too.

A better bench would go a long way for the Nets though. Have to wait and see what happens.

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Kyler responding to Nets fans
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Bazemore is going to make bank and probably Fournier too.

A better bench would go a long way for the Nets though. Have to wait and see what happens.

On the magic board they think the most ownership will pay fournier is 18 million

[jmr07019]

Kyler responding to Nets fans
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Baze and Fournier will get 15 per from good teams IMO. See Carroll getting 15 per from Toronto on a smaller cap last year. If Brooklyn wants guys like that they will be paying them 20 per.

[jmr07019]

I see no way that Brooklyn doesn’t finish with a bottom 5 record unless their ownership’s goal is to fight for the 10th-7th seed for the next 4 years. The decent guys who would sign there because Brooklyn is overpaying are going to want 4 year deals not 2 year deals. Is Brooklyn willing to go to 4 years for guys who aren’t in their long term plans? They may be able to sign Amir Johnson type deals but why sign with Brooklyn over any other team? They will be left with the bottom of the barrel FA’s and a bottom of the barrel roster.

[celtxman]

I see no way that Brooklyn doesn’t finish with a bottom 5 record unless their ownership’s goal is to fight for the 10th-7th seed for the next 4 years. The decent guys who would sign there because Brooklyn is overpaying are going to want 4 year deals not 2 year deals. Is Brooklyn willing to go to 4 years for guys who aren’t in their long term plans? They may be able to sign Amir Johnson type deals but why sign with Brooklyn over any other team? They will be left with the bottom of the barrel FA’s and a bottom of the barrel roster.

I can't see the Nets ownership goal being anything but trying to win as many games as possible -there is no reason for them to lose and if they manage to get to the 7th-10th seed it will ease the pain and embarrassment of the Nets/Celtics trade. I've posted many times I'd rather forego the 2018 pick to prime the pump for them to go into freefall into what Philly was this year. I'd rather have one #1 or #2 pick in what is said to be a strong draft than two #7's in 20-17 and 2018 and hence my desire to try to trade for Lopez to improve Boston and to give the Nets the green light to tear their team down.
Personally I think it would be great for the Celtics on every front, but we can focus on just the 2017 pick. We saw how just shutting down Lopez and Young a few games gave us the 3rd pick instead of the 4th pick. The Nets had a ton happen that hurt their record. If they can overpay for say Lin or somebody they don't have to get anywhere near the playoffs to affect the Celtics chances of getting a franchise player. At the same time the Nets could look forward to that type of player in 2018 - the player that would not be there for the Celtics in 2018 because the Nets would be changing direction.

[jmr07019]

I see no way that Brooklyn doesn’t finish with a bottom 5 record unless their ownership’s goal is to fight for the 10th-7th seed for the next 4 years. The decent guys who would sign there because Brooklyn is overpaying are going to want 4 year deals not 2 year deals. Is Brooklyn willing to go to 4 years for guys who aren’t in their long term plans? They may be able to sign Amir Johnson type deals but why sign with Brooklyn over any other team? They will be left with the bottom of the barrel FA’s and a bottom of the barrel roster.

I can't see the Nets ownership goal being anything but trying to win as many games as possible -there is no reason for them to lose and if they manage to get to the 7th-10th seed it will ease the pain and embarrassment of the Nets/Celtics trade. I've posted many times I'd rather forego the 2018 pick to prime the pump for them to go into freefall into what Philly was this year. I'd rather have one #1 or #2 pick in what is said to be a strong draft than two #7's in 20-17 and 2018 and hence my desire to try to trade for Lopez to improve Boston and to give the Nets the green light to tear their team down.
Personally I think it would be great for the Celtics on every front, but we can focus on just the 2017 pick. We saw how just shutting down Lopez and Young a few games gave us the 3rd pick instead of the 4th pick. The Nets had a ton happen that hurt their record. If they can overpay for say Lin or somebody they don't have to get anywhere near the playoffs to affect the Celtics chances of getting a franchise player. At the same time the Nets could look forward to that type of player in 2018 - the player that would not be there for the Celtics in 2018 because the Nets would be changing direction.

Thing is guys like Lin and Bazemore are not going to accept 1 or 2 year deals. They want that 4 year deal and guaranteed money. So are the Nets willing to delay their tank/rebuild for 2 years after they stop giving picks to the Celtics just so they gave a lesser pick over to us in 2017? I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility but it would be incredibly stupid.

[Jingles]

*Yawn* I've been reading since last offseason that the Nets would be better than expected because they have no reason to lose. The team sure played hard but boy were they terrible. With a healthy Lopez and Young the whole time. Now it's wish-casting on Jeremy Lin. Oh boy.

[celtxman]

I see no way that Brooklyn doesn’t finish with a bottom 5 record unless their ownership’s goal is to fight for the 10th-7th seed for the next 4 years. The decent guys who would sign there because Brooklyn is overpaying are going to want 4 year deals not 2 year deals. Is Brooklyn willing to go to 4 years for guys who aren’t in their long term plans? They may be able to sign Amir Johnson type deals but why sign with Brooklyn over any other team? They will be left with the bottom of the barrel FA’s and a bottom of the barrel roster.

I can't see the Nets ownership goal being anything but trying to win as many games as possible -there is no reason for them to lose and if they manage to get to the 7th-10th seed it will ease the pain and embarrassment of the Nets/Celtics trade. I've posted many times I'd rather forego the 2018 pick to prime the pump for them to go into freefall into what Philly was this year. I'd rather have one #1 or #2 pick in what is said to be a strong draft than two #7's in 20-17 and 2018 and hence my desire to try to trade for Lopez to improve Boston and to give the Nets the green light to tear their team down.
Personally I think it would be great for the Celtics on every front, but we can focus on just the 2017 pick. We saw how just shutting down Lopez and Young a few games gave us the 3rd pick instead of the 4th pick. The Nets had a ton happen that hurt their record. If they can overpay for say Lin or somebody they don't have to get anywhere near the playoffs to affect the Celtics chances of getting a franchise player. At the same time the Nets could look forward to that type of player in 2018 - the player that would not be there for the Celtics in 2018 because the Nets would be changing direction.

Thing is guys like Lin and Bazemore are not going to accept 1 or 2 year deals. They want that 4 year deal and guaranteed money. So are the Nets willing to delay their tank/rebuild for 2 years after they stop giving picks to the Celtics just so they gave a lesser pick over to us in 2017? I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility but it would be incredibly stupid.

I am really hoping that there are reasons NO ONE wants to come to the Nets and I'm worried about them overpaying or even people saying they will do a Durant type deal -one year + a player option to take advantage of the increased salary cap. We are SO underestimating their ability to wreck things in terms of say a top 5 pick. It is amazing how so many people in this forum talk about "Top 5 pick" as if it is a new word in the dictionary and believe the odds are the same they will get one if they keep Lopez and Young and try to cobble the next seasons together.
There are just so many benefits to such a trade it isn't funny.