Draft Thread Part 2

[Waylay13]

You mean the Hoop Summit ? He played pretty damn well that game and definitely got to the bucket a good amount, pick and rolls are a big part of the game, especially now so it's good to see he knows how to use them. Nash definitely used a lot of pick and rolls back in the day too (especially in the video you posted lol). Unless you mean the Pan American Games where he played PG for Canada, which are not U19 lol, and Jamal Murray was the youngest player in that entire tournament. Also, show me one player in this draft or in the league right now that can do even close to what Nash did that isn't named Chris Paul or Steph Curry. Interestingly enough, Steve Nash is the GM of the Canadian National Team and brought on Jamal Murray, and has actually had some good words on him.

Ok Hoops Summit or whatever you want to call it, I will say that that Jamal Murray is a nice looking combo guard/shooting guard and if the Suns didnt have Booker I would be looking at Hield and Murray but the Suns have Booker, Knight and Bogdanovic all playing shooting guard; heck even Bledsoe is more of a shooting guard then a point guard. In the end we need a power forward first and foremost after that we can look at back up small forward and point guard but personally the word combo guard has became a 4 letter word because in the end it means you have a black hole that come down the court and look for their own shot while the rest of the team stands around looking for scraps to pick up.

[rsavaj]

Jaylen Brown is nothing but potential, he's undoubtably the least skilled player in terms of actual Basketball ability that's a consensus Top 10 pick in this draft. All this talk about his defense having elite potential is based solely off of his lateral quickness, athleticism, and wingspan, because this year he was nowhere near an elite defender against college talent. He was good at getting to the Free Throw line, but he shot pretty bad at 65% on the season, which also doesn't bode well for his 3-point shot, which was already mediocre, considering FT% is one of the best indicators for NBA 3-point shooting ability. His ball handling isn't terrible but it's still too loose, he turns the ball over way too much, and his shot isn't completely broken but it needs tightening and isn't where it needs to be.

Wow replace Jaylen Brown with Archie Goodwin and everything I said still fits

If that's the case, why isn't he projected late 20's like Archie

because Archie's skillset makes a lot more sense in a bigger wing

[JMac1]

Jaylen Brown is nothing but potential, he's undoubtably the least skilled player in terms of actual Basketball ability that's a consensus Top 10 pick in this draft. All this talk about his defense having elite potential is based solely off of his lateral quickness, athleticism, and wingspan, because this year he was nowhere near an elite defender against college talent. He was good at getting to the Free Throw line, but he shot pretty bad at 65% on the season, which also doesn't bode well for his 3-point shot, which was already mediocre, considering FT% is one of the best indicators for NBA 3-point shooting ability. His ball handling isn't terrible but it's still too loose, he turns the ball over way too much, and his shot isn't completely broken but it needs tightening and isn't where it needs to be.

Wow replace Jaylen Brown with Archie Goodwin and everything I said still fits

If that's the case, why isn't he projected late 20's like Archie

because Archie's skillset makes a lot more sense in a bigger wing

[rsavaj]

If that's the case, why isn't he projected late 20's like Archie

because Archie's skillset makes a lot more sense in a bigger wing

if you're gonna have a slashing wing who can't shoot, it's nice to have that player be a larger, stronger SF paired with a shooter at SG/Booker, especially if Brown's defensive potential comes through

I'm not a huge fan but I can see why a team would talk themselves into him

[darealjuice]

Jaylen Brown is nothing but potential, he's undoubtably the least skilled player in terms of actual Basketball ability that's a consensus Top 10 pick in this draft. All this talk about his defense having elite potential is based solely off of his lateral quickness, athleticism, and wingspan, because this year he was nowhere near an elite defender against college talent. He was good at getting to the Free Throw line, but he shot pretty bad at 65% on the season, which also doesn't bode well for his 3-point shot, which was already mediocre, considering FT% is one of the best indicators for NBA 3-point shooting ability. His ball handling isn't terrible but it's still too loose, he turns the ball over way too much, and his shot isn't completely broken but it needs tightening and isn't where it needs to be.

Wow replace Jaylen Brown with Archie Goodwin and everything I said still fits

If that's the case, why isn't he projected late 20's like Archie

because Archie's skillset makes a lot more sense in a bigger wing

This and he's still riding his HS hype where he was the either ranked consistently either the #1 or #2 recruit with Ben Simmons

[JMac1]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-cals-jaylen-brown-surges-into-top-4-would-be-great-fit-for-suns/

Jaylen Brown, SG, California: Brown has been much-discussed and somewhat maligned this draft season, with some teams questioning how much they want an intelligent, different-thinking player on their roster. While Brown also has some questions about his game, there's not much use in questioning his upside. At 6-7 with a 7-foot wingspan and tremendous explosiveness, Brown could become an all-star if things broke right for him. He's also a perfect fit next to Phoenix's two point guards or next to Devin Booker. Plus, you might even be able to use him as a small ball 4.

It's like some posters here hate other players sooooo much, because they want their player to be drafted, they just talked down the other player to the point where it makes no sense to me.

EVERY player has negatives. I don't player bash, I am looking at what they bring and can develop, not as if they are a finished product. If Brown develops, he'd be special, that's all you can ask for from your boom or bust player.

Someone said it best here, you don't draft safe at #4 especially when you are in our situation.

[gaspar]

Jaylen Brown is nothing but potential, he's undoubtably the least skilled player in terms of actual Basketball ability that's a consensus Top 10 pick in this draft. All this talk about his defense having elite potential is based solely off of his lateral quickness, athleticism, and wingspan, because this year he was nowhere near an elite defender against college talent. He was good at getting to the Free Throw line, but he shot pretty bad at 65% on the season, which also doesn't bode well for his 3-point shot, which was already mediocre, considering FT% is one of the best indicators for NBA 3-point shooting ability. His ball handling isn't terrible but it's still too loose, he turns the ball over way too much, and his shot isn't completely broken but it needs tightening and isn't where it needs to be.

Wow replace Jaylen Brown with Archie Goodwin and everything I said still fits

If that's the case, why isn't he projected late 20's like Archie

Well, their college stats are pretty darn similar:

Brown 14.6 pts, 5.4 reb, 2.0 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.6 blk, 3.1 tov, .431 FG%, .294 3P%, .654 FT% (6.4 FTA), .518 TS%, 17.6 PER
Archie 14.1 pts, 4.6 reb, 2.7 ast, 1.1 stl, 0.5 blk, 3.1 tov, .440 FG%, .266 3P%, .637 FT% (6.4 FTA), .509 TS%, 16.9 PER

[JMac1]

Jaylen Brown is nothing but potential, he's undoubtably the least skilled player in terms of actual Basketball ability that's a consensus Top 10 pick in this draft. All this talk about his defense having elite potential is based solely off of his lateral quickness, athleticism, and wingspan, because this year he was nowhere near an elite defender against college talent. He was good at getting to the Free Throw line, but he shot pretty bad at 65% on the season, which also doesn't bode well for his 3-point shot, which was already mediocre, considering FT% is one of the best indicators for NBA 3-point shooting ability. His ball handling isn't terrible but it's still too loose, he turns the ball over way too much, and his shot isn't completely broken but it needs tightening and isn't where it needs to be.

Wow replace Jaylen Brown with Archie Goodwin and everything I said still fits

If that's the case, why isn't he projected late 20's like Archie

Well, their college stats are pretty darn similar:

Brown 14.6 pts, 5.4 reb, 2.0 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.6 blk, 3.1 tov, .431 FG%, .294 3P%, .654 FT% (6.4 FTA), .518 TS%, 17.6 PER
Archie 14.1 pts, 4.6 reb, 2.7 ast, 1.1 stl, 0.5 blk, 3.1 tov, .440 FG%, .266 3P%, .637 FT% (6.4 FTA), .509 TS%, 16.9 PER

But their play wasn't! If you can't see the difference between Archie freshman play and Brown's, I don't know what to say and to use stats to infer they are similar players is ridiculous. But carry on as they say.

[darealjuice]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-cals-jaylen-brown-surges-into-top-4-would-be-great-fit-for-suns/

Jaylen Brown, SG, California: Brown has been much-discussed and somewhat maligned this draft season, with some teams questioning how much they want an intelligent, different-thinking player on their roster. While Brown also has some questions about his game, there's not much use in questioning his upside. At 6-7 with a 7-foot wingspan and tremendous explosiveness, Brown could become an all-star if things broke right for him. He's also a perfect fit next to Phoenix's two point guards or next to Devin Booker. Plus, you might even be able to use him as a small ball 4.

It's like some posters here hate other players sooooo much, because they want their player to be drafted, they just talked down the other player to the point where it makes no sense to me.

EVERY player has negatives. I don't player bash, I am looking at what they bring and can develop, not as if they are a finished product. If Brown develops, he'd be special, that's all you can ask for from your boom or bust player.

Someone said it best here, you don't draft safe at #4 especially when you are in our situation.

I don't "hate him" because I want someone specific lol I just don't want him. His game is just full of holes right now, he's literally Archie Goodwin with 2 inches added to every one of his measurements and a bigger body. He reminds me so much of Archie Goodwin when I see him player it's crazy. Even their highlight reels are similar. Every time I watched Cal games I came away thinking Ivan Rabb was the better player on the team.

[bwgood77]

Jaylen Brown is nothing but potential, he's undoubtably the least skilled player in terms of actual Basketball ability that's a consensus Top 10 pick in this draft. All this talk about his defense having elite potential is based solely off of his lateral quickness, athleticism, and wingspan, because this year he was nowhere near an elite defender against college talent. He was good at getting to the Free Throw line, but he shot pretty bad at 65% on the season, which also doesn't bode well for his 3-point shot, which was already mediocre, considering FT% is one of the best indicators for NBA 3-point shooting ability. His ball handling isn't terrible but it's still too loose, he turns the ball over way too much, and his shot isn't completely broken but it needs tightening and isn't where it needs to be.

Wow replace Jaylen Brown with Archie Goodwin and everything I said still fits

If that's the case, why isn't he projected late 20's like Archie

Well, their college stats are pretty darn similar:

Brown 14.6 pts, 5.4 reb, 2.0 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.6 blk, 3.1 tov, .431 FG%, .294 3P%, .654 FT% (6.4 FTA), .518 TS%, 17.6 PER
Archie 14.1 pts, 4.6 reb, 2.7 ast, 1.1 stl, 0.5 blk, 3.1 tov, .440 FG%, .266 3P%, .637 FT% (6.4 FTA), .509 TS%, 16.9 PER

I was also just reviewing Brown's March game #s as well, because I remember not being impressed whatsoever when he played AZ and AZ St at the end of the season as well as the conf tourney and one tourney game.

Last five games when they became more important:

@ AZ 2-9, 5 pts, 1 rebound, 1 assist, 2 turnovers and fouled out in 15 minutes
@ ASU 3-10, 10 pts, 0-3 from 3, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 turnovers
Oregon St, 1-6, 8 pts, 1-3 from 3, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 6 turnovers
Utah, 3-17,12 pts, 0-3 from 3, 5 rebounds, 5 assists 4 fouls
Hawaii, 1-6, 4 pts, 0-2 from 3, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 7 turnovers, fouled out in 17 minutes

One thing you can definitely say about Brown is that he isn't clutch and plays his worst in big games.

Last 5 games, 10-48 from the field at 23% shooting overall.

[JMac1]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-cals-jaylen-brown-surges-into-top-4-would-be-great-fit-for-suns/

Jaylen Brown, SG, California: Brown has been much-discussed and somewhat maligned this draft season, with some teams questioning how much they want an intelligent, different-thinking player on their roster. While Brown also has some questions about his game, there's not much use in questioning his upside. At 6-7 with a 7-foot wingspan and tremendous explosiveness, Brown could become an all-star if things broke right for him. He's also a perfect fit next to Phoenix's two point guards or next to Devin Booker. Plus, you might even be able to use him as a small ball 4.

It's like some posters here hate other players sooooo much, because they want their player to be drafted, they just talked down the other player to the point where it makes no sense to me.

EVERY player has negatives. I don't player bash, I am looking at what they bring and can develop, not as if they are a finished product. If Brown develops, he'd be special, that's all you can ask for from your boom or bust player.

Someone said it best here, you don't draft safe at #4 especially when you are in our situation.

I don't "hate him" because I want someone specific lol I just don't want him. His game is just full of holes right now, he's literally Archie Goodwin with 2 inches added to every one of his measurements and a bigger body. He reminds me so much of Archie Goodwin when I see him player it's crazy. Even their highlight reels are similar. Every time I watched Cal games I came away thinking Ivan Rabb was the better player on the team.

I totally disagree and thank god, because I would HATE to draft another Archie at #4.

[MrMiyagi]

Brown V. Goodwin and Bender V. Porzingis..... Screw both of them, take Buddy.

[darealjuice]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-cals-jaylen-brown-surges-into-top-4-would-be-great-fit-for-suns/




It's like some posters here hate other players sooooo much, because they want their player to be drafted, they just talked down the other player to the point where it makes no sense to me.

EVERY player has negatives. I don't player bash, I am looking at what they bring and can develop, not as if they are a finished product. If Brown develops, he'd be special, that's all you can ask for from your boom or bust player.

Someone said it best here, you don't draft safe at #4 especially when you are in our situation.

I don't "hate him" because I want someone specific lol I just don't want him. His game is just full of holes right now, he's literally Archie Goodwin with 2 inches added to every one of his measurements and a bigger body. He reminds me so much of Archie Goodwin when I see him player it's crazy. Even their highlight reels are similar. Every time I watched Cal games I came away thinking Ivan Rabb was the better player on the team.

I totally disagree and thank god, because I would HATE to draft another Archie at #4.

Lol well like Archie, Brown doesn't have one skill that is near NBA ready so he's going to be a project all the same

[saintEscaton]

Too bad Rabb decided to stay in school, he probably would have cracked the Top 10 and would have been the third best PF behind Simmons/Bender ahead of Chriss

[bwgood77]

Too bad Rabb decided to stay in school, he probably would have cracked the Top 10 and would have been the third best PF behind Simmons/Bender ahead of Chriss

Yeah, I wasn't a huge Rabb fan, but he would have helped give us better or more options at 13.

[JMac1]

If that's the case, why isn't he projected late 20's like Archie

Well, their college stats are pretty darn similar:

Brown 14.6 pts, 5.4 reb, 2.0 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.6 blk, 3.1 tov, .431 FG%, .294 3P%, .654 FT% (6.4 FTA), .518 TS%, 17.6 PER
Archie 14.1 pts, 4.6 reb, 2.7 ast, 1.1 stl, 0.5 blk, 3.1 tov, .440 FG%, .266 3P%, .637 FT% (6.4 FTA), .509 TS%, 16.9 PER

I was also just reviewing Brown's March game #s as well, because I remember not being impressed whatsoever when he played AZ and AZ St at the end of the season as well as the conf tourney and one tourney game.

Last five games when they became more important:

@ AZ 2-9, 5 pts, 1 rebound, 1 assist, 2 turnovers and fouled out in 15 minutes
@ ASU 3-10, 10 pts, 0-3 from 3, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 turnovers
Oregon St, 1-6, 8 pts, 1-3 from 3, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 6 turnovers
Utah, 3-17,12 pts, 0-3 from 3, 5 rebounds, 5 assists 4 fouls
Hawaii, 1-6, 4 pts, 0-2 from 3, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 7 turnovers, fouled out in 17 minutes

One thing you can definitely say about Brown is that he isn't clutch and plays his worst in big games.

Last 5 games, 10-48 from the field at 23% shooting overall.

Already deciding if someone is clutch? SMH.

Hield wasn't clutch in his last game, neither was Murray. Please show me where Bender was "clutch?"

I should go cherry pick Brown's stats, but it would be a waste of time. When I say something about a Bender its all gravy, but when I compliment Brown, the board goes crazy

I'm done commenting on Brown. If you don't like him, you will continue to not like him no matter what. There are a lot of people here who like him and are smart enough not to engage and trying to show the positives that have him rated top 5 because they know the people who don't like him will refute them incessantly.....too much

Edit: What's funny is, when I don't like a player and he is highly rated, for example Brown and Chris, I say to myself, what am I missing? Then I go look for the positives, then reassess. I think some posters here just think "you are crazy, he sucks and let me prove it."

[Saberestar]

Damian Jones is a very intruiging prospect. With his wingspan and blocking ability, it seems like he is the prototypical center for today's NBA. Will not be surprised if the Bucks take him at 10

From an upside standpoint no player stood out more than Jones. At 6-11½ and 244 pounds with a 7-4 wingspan and elite leaping ability in space, Jones looked like a plug-and-play NBA big man. His head was at the rim on every dunk attempt, and he continued to rise after he had already dunked. Jones also shot well in drills and proved to be one of the most intriguing long-term prospects in attendance.

While Jones' production this season didn't always match his talent, he did a great job of reminding NBA executives how physically gifted he is. Considering he's only 20 and was a late bloomer in high school, it's not a stretch to say he has one of the highest ceilings of any big man in the draft.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pro-day--kris-dunn--jakob-poeltl-171704752.html

[bwgood77]

Brown V. Goodwin and Bender V. Porzingis..... Screw both of them, take Buddy.

I found a player who played all four years and had similar stats to Hield as a senior and I think was national player of the year as well.

Side by side stats:

52.6% FG%, 56.7 2pt FG%, 44.9 3pt fg%, 86.4 FT%, 26.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 1.6 apg, 1.8 topg
50.1% FG%, 55.2 2pt fg%, 45.7 3 pt fg%, 88 FT%, 25 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 2 apg, 3.1, topg

Second player listed is Buddy. First player listed is also listed as 4 inches taller. Any guesses on who that might be?

[saintEscaton]

Brown V. Goodwin and Bender V. Porzingis..... Screw both of them, take Buddy.

I found a player who played all four years and had similar stats to Hield as a senior and I think was national player of the year as well.

Side by side stats:

52.6% FG%, 56.7 2pt FG%, 44.9 3pt fg%, 86.4 FT%, 26.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 1.6 apg, 1.8 topg
50.1% FG%, 55.2 2pt fg%, 45.7 3 pt fg%, 88 FT%, 25 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 2 apg, 3.1, topg

Second player listed is Buddy. First player listed is also listed as 4 inches taller. Any guesses on who that might be?

Jimmer Fredette?

[JMac1]

I don't "hate him" because I want someone specific lol I just don't want him. His game is just full of holes right now, he's literally Archie Goodwin with 2 inches added to every one of his measurements and a bigger body. He reminds me so much of Archie Goodwin when I see him player it's crazy. Even their highlight reels are similar. Every time I watched Cal games I came away thinking Ivan Rabb was the better player on the team.

I totally disagree and thank god, because I would HATE to draft another Archie at #4.

Lol well like Archie, Brown doesn't have one skill that is near NBA ready so he's going to be a project all the same

I 100 percent agree!

https://hoopshabit.com/2016/05/30/2016-nba-draft-jaylen-brown-player-breakdown/6/

Great read.