The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[bwgood77]

Okafor for 4

or

Vucevic + 11 for 4

?

Why are you guys so eager to get rid of Vucevic? I see everyone in Orlando wanting to trade him and then I see them asking why is trade value is so low on the trade forum.

If Okafor is available I think he goes to Boston.

If we needed a center, your deal seems fair, but we really don't right now. I'm willing to give Alex at least one more year before giving up on him. He's shown really good ability at times.

[Kerrsed]

Okafor for 4

or

Vucevic + 11 for 4

?

Honestly, id take Vucevic/#11 over Okafor for the #4 all day everyday.

[saintEscaton]

Vucevic is what he is at this point. Too early to write off Jah as a finished product just yet

[Skin]

Okafor for 4

or

Vucevic + 11 for 4

?

Why are you guys so eager to get rid of Vucevic? I see everyone in Orlando wanting to trade him and then I see them asking why is trade value is so low on the trade forum.

If Okafor is available I think he goes to Boston.

If we needed a center, your deal seems fair, but we really don't right now. I'm willing to give Alex at least one more year before giving up on him. He's shown really good ability at times.

I'm mostly eager to get the #4 pick. I see you guys wanting Okafor pretty badly and I think Vuc offers much of the same type of game. Figured the Magic could offer you a better deal by getting you a C, plus you get the 11th pick instead of a C alone.

If you don't need a C, then I'm confused about the want for Okafor.

[Skin]

Okafor for 4

or

Vucevic + 11 for 4

?

Honestly, id take Vucevic/#11 over Okafor for the #4 all day everyday.

Appreciate the responses. And1s delivered.

[TeamTragic]

Okafor for 4

or

Vucevic + 11 for 4

?

Why are you guys so eager to get rid of Vucevic? I see everyone in Orlando wanting to trade him and then I see them asking why is trade value is so low on the trade forum.

If Okafor is available I think he goes to Boston.

If we needed a center, your deal seems fair, but we really don't right now. I'm willing to give Alex at least one more year before giving up on him. He's shown really good ability at times.

I'm mostly eager to get the #4 pick. I see you guys wanting Okafor pretty badly and I think Vuc offers much of the same type of game. Figured the Magic could offer you a better deal by getting you a C, plus you get the 11th pick instead of a C alone.

If you don't need a C, then I'm confused about the want for Okafor.

Again. Vucevic is not worth jumping 7 spots in this draft. We are not the Brooklyn Nets

[bwgood77]

Okafor for 4

or

Vucevic + 11 for 4

?

Why are you guys so eager to get rid of Vucevic? I see everyone in Orlando wanting to trade him and then I see them asking why is trade value is so low on the trade forum.

If Okafor is available I think he goes to Boston.

If we needed a center, your deal seems fair, but we really don't right now. I'm willing to give Alex at least one more year before giving up on him. He's shown really good ability at times.

I'm mostly eager to get the #4 pick. I see you guys wanting Okafor pretty badly and I think Vuc offers much of the same type of game. Figured the Magic could offer you a better deal by getting you a C, plus you get the 11th pick instead of a C alone.

If you don't need a C, then I'm confused about the want for Okafor.

It's not so much because people see a need at center, but that a lot of people are extremely enamored with Okafor. I was during college but I can't really decide now. Still seems to be a premier prospect but I am not sure you can totally rely on his Philly #s since he was clear #1 option and also probably playing against a lot of second stringers after a team rested their starters because they were up 30.

Theoretically he would be our #1 option but our guards seem to have trouble setting up or getting the ball to centers (at least Knight and to a lesser extent Bledsoe) and they prefer to be options 1a and 1b.

[Skin]

Why are you guys so eager to get rid of Vucevic? I see everyone in Orlando wanting to trade him and then I see them asking why is trade value is so low on the trade forum.

If Okafor is available I think he goes to Boston.

If we needed a center, your deal seems fair, but we really don't right now. I'm willing to give Alex at least one more year before giving up on him. He's shown really good ability at times.

I'm mostly eager to get the #4 pick. I see you guys wanting Okafor pretty badly and I think Vuc offers much of the same type of game. Figured the Magic could offer you a better deal by getting you a C, plus you get the 11th pick instead of a C alone.

If you don't need a C, then I'm confused about the want for Okafor.

Again. Vucevic is not worth jumping 7 spots in this draft. We are not the Brooklyn Nets

Fair enough. So are you among those not interested in Okafor for #4 either? If you are interested in Okafor, how come?

[Kerrsed]

Vucevic is what he is at this point. Too early to write off Jah as a finished product just yet

Yup and a 18points/9rebounds/1.5blocks player is pretty damn good. Granted his offense isnt as good as Okafor's (its very close), but his defense (Specifically in the post) is way way better than Okafor's. On top of all that we keep Knight (another asset that can be used in another trade) while also still having a 2nd lotto pick (instead of straight giving up #4 we are moving down 7 spots). Hell, we might even be able to package #11/#13 and move up (NO/SAC/DEN).

[darealjuice]

Vucevic is what he is at this point. Too early to write off Jah as a finished product just yet

Yup and a 18points/9rebounds/1.5blocks player is pretty damn good. Granted his offense isnt as good as Okafor's (its very close), but his defense (Specifically in the post) is way way better than Okafor's. On top of all that we keep Knight (another asset that can be used in another trade) while also still having a 2nd lotto pick (instead of straight giving up #4 we are moving down 7 spots). Hell, we might even be able to package #11/#13 and move up (NO/SAC/DEN).

Vucevic has only had 1 bpg twice in his career, and never 1.5. He's also a pretty damn bad defender, a lot of people have the Magic mocked drafting Deyonta Davis to help cover for his defensive deficiencies in the post. Not that Jahlil has been a much better defender, but he was improving as the season went on.

[jredsaz]

Okafor for 4

or

Vucevic + 11 for 4

?

Why are you guys so eager to get rid of Vucevic? I see everyone in Orlando wanting to trade him and then I see them asking why is trade value is so low on the trade forum.

If Okafor is available I think he goes to Boston.

If we needed a center, your deal seems fair, but we really don't right now. I'm willing to give Alex at least one more year before giving up on him. He's shown really good ability at times.

I'm mostly eager to get the #4 pick. I see you guys wanting Okafor pretty badly and I think Vuc offers much of the same type of game. Figured the Magic could offer you a better deal by getting you a C, plus you get the 11th pick instead of a C alone.

If you don't need a C, then I'm confused about the want for Okafor.

I'll trade #4 for Gordon!

I think you trade for Okafor because he has star potential. Vucivic does not. The value is fine IMO for the trade you proposed but we don't need another average or even good, as Vucivic is, center. Suns need a great or potentially great player. Thats why there is interest in Okafor. Or why I would be willing to talk on Gordon but probably why you are not.

[Walt_Uoob]

Trade idea on trade forum viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1449595

Trade proposed was Knight for Thad Young straight up. I liked my own response and am curious what others here think:

I think Brooklyn needs to add too, but don't see how that works, so my counter would be a package smaller pieces for Young. Archie Goodwin + John Jenkins + pick #13 or a future pick, or something like that.

That would give the Suns everything we seem to want out of the summer: reduces the number of guards on the team (and thus making it easier to draft best player available at #4 if we think it's Murray or Hield or Dunn), brings in a good player on a good contract at our position of greatest need, and just generally consolidates our assets.

For the Nets, Jenkins is a decent young guy on a super cheap contract, Goodwin is a pretty exciting and extremely athletic player who could break out on a team that chose to feature him, and they just need to get back into the draft in general. The pick could maybe even be a package of multiple lower picks / heavily protected picks.

Any thoughts on whether something like that would be workable?

[rsavaj]

just as a counterpoint...Enes Kanter got super-limited minutes last night because they couldn't afford to have a defensive liability on the floor, despite his post skills

Noel is a better fit for most teams, IMO...his defense will always make him playable, much like Biyombo. Problem is his offense is limited to garbage buckets, and he's in line for a payday next summer

Post skills from Kanter? He looked like hot garbage the last two games, missing bunny after bunny. Kanter offense isn't close to Okafor. Okafor makes up for his "lack" of defense on offense, Kanter doesn't.

Yeah, post skills. He played really well this season, and he did it on great efficiency, with most of his shots coming in the post.

Donovan decided that he couldn't be out on the floor because he didn't protect the rim.

I like Okafor, but there's a reason Philly is more likely to move Jah instead of Nerlens.

[Skin]

Vucevic is what he is at this point. Too early to write off Jah as a finished product just yet

Yup and a 18points/9rebounds/1.5blocks player is pretty damn good. Granted his offense isnt as good as Okafor's (its very close), but his defense (Specifically in the post) is way way better than Okafor's. On top of all that we keep Knight (another asset that can be used in another trade) while also still having a 2nd lotto pick (instead of straight giving up #4 we are moving down 7 spots). Hell, we might even be able to package #11/#13 and move up (NO/SAC/DEN).

What about this?

PHX gets: Elfrid Payton / Jahlil Okafor / 1st Round (26) via PHI

PHI gets: Brandon Knight / Nikola Vucevic

ORL gets: #4 / Tyson Chandler

PHX gets a pass first PG in Payton to pair with Okafor and balance the rotation, plus an additional 1st.
PHI gets a capable PG they lack plus a replacement for Okafor.
ORL gets #4 (Dunn) and a stop gap defensive C in Chandler. They keep #11 which they can use to draft a young big to develop.

[TeamTragic]

I'm mostly eager to get the #4 pick. I see you guys wanting Okafor pretty badly and I think Vuc offers much of the same type of game. Figured the Magic could offer you a better deal by getting you a C, plus you get the 11th pick instead of a C alone.

If you don't need a C, then I'm confused about the want for Okafor.

Again. Vucevic is not worth jumping 7 spots in this draft. We are not the Brooklyn Nets

Fair enough. So are you among those not interested in Okafor for #4 either? If you are interested in Okafor, how come?

Okafor peaks our interest. For the right package we won't hesitate. How about Vucevic/Payton for Knight/#28/#34?

Vucevic is what he is at this point. Too early to write off Jah as a finished product just yet

Yup and a 18points/9rebounds/1.5blocks player is pretty damn good. Granted his offense isnt as good as Okafor's (its very close), but his defense (Specifically in the post) is way way better than Okafor's. On top of all that we keep Knight (another asset that can be used in another trade) while also still having a 2nd lotto pick (instead of straight giving up #4 we are moving down 7 spots). Hell, we might even be able to package #11/#13 and move up (NO/SAC/DEN).

What about this?

PHX gets: Elfrid Payton / Jahlil Okafor / 1st Round (26) via PHI

PHI gets: Brandon Knight / Nikola Vucevic

ORL gets: #4 / Tyson Chandler

PHX gets a pass first PG in Payton to pair with Okafor and balance the rotation, plus an additional 1st.
PHI gets a capable PG they lack plus a replacement for Okafor.
ORL gets #4 (Dunn) and a stop gap defensive C in Chandler. They keep #11 which they can use to draft a young big to develop.

Does Philly really need Vucevic if they keep Noel/Embiid? I would to that deal although I would hate to lose Chandler guiding our youth. Tucker won't teach them anything expect how to chow down on nachos

[bwgood77]

Why are you guys so eager to get rid of Vucevic? I see everyone in Orlando wanting to trade him and then I see them asking why is trade value is so low on the trade forum.

If Okafor is available I think he goes to Boston.

If we needed a center, your deal seems fair, but we really don't right now. I'm willing to give Alex at least one more year before giving up on him. He's shown really good ability at times.

I'm mostly eager to get the #4 pick. I see you guys wanting Okafor pretty badly and I think Vuc offers much of the same type of game. Figured the Magic could offer you a better deal by getting you a C, plus you get the 11th pick instead of a C alone.

If you don't need a C, then I'm confused about the want for Okafor.

Again. Vucevic is not worth jumping 7 spots in this draft. We are not the Brooklyn Nets

In this draft? I think Vucevic easily has that much value. The bigger question is need. He averages 18/9/3/1. It might make more sense if the team was ready to move Len and to ask for something else back from another team or more from the Magic.

[bwgood77]

Vucevic is what he is at this point. Too early to write off Jah as a finished product just yet

Yup and a 18points/9rebounds/1.5blocks player is pretty damn good. Granted his offense isnt as good as Okafor's (its very close), but his defense (Specifically in the post) is way way better than Okafor's. On top of all that we keep Knight (another asset that can be used in another trade) while also still having a 2nd lotto pick (instead of straight giving up #4 we are moving down 7 spots). Hell, we might even be able to package #11/#13 and move up (NO/SAC/DEN).

What about this?

PHX gets: Elfrid Payton / Jahlil Okafor / 1st Round (26) via PHI

PHI gets: Brandon Knight / Nikola Vucevic

ORL gets: #4 / Tyson Chandler

PHX gets a pass first PG in Payton to pair with Okafor and balance the rotation, plus an additional 1st.
PHI gets a capable PG they lack plus a replacement for Okafor.
ORL gets #4 (Dunn) and a stop gap defensive C in Chandler. They keep #11 which they can use to draft a young big to develop.

Can't see Philly doing that. Probably good for us. Payton would be a good backup for Bledsoe and injury insurance. Though I might rather have the 11 than Payton. Not sure though.

[TeamTragic]

I'm mostly eager to get the #4 pick. I see you guys wanting Okafor pretty badly and I think Vuc offers much of the same type of game. Figured the Magic could offer you a better deal by getting you a C, plus you get the 11th pick instead of a C alone.

If you don't need a C, then I'm confused about the want for Okafor.

Again. Vucevic is not worth jumping 7 spots in this draft. We are not the Brooklyn Nets

In this draft? I think Vucevic easily has that much value. The bigger question is need. He averages 18/9/3/1. It might make more sense if the team was ready to move Len and to ask for something else back from another team or more from the Magic.

Alright. Let's say we do that trade. Does that mean we trade Len in a package for Butler/Cousins?

[bwgood77]

Again. Vucevic is not worth jumping 7 spots in this draft. We are not the Brooklyn Nets

In this draft? I think Vucevic easily has that much value. The bigger question is need. He averages 18/9/3/1. It might make more sense if the team was ready to move Len and to ask for something else back from another team or more from the Magic.

Alright. Let's say we do that trade. Does that mean we trade Len in a package for Butler/Cousins?

Well, he is definitely more expendable and could be used in some type of package, and we've upgraded at center. I'm not really ready to give up on Len personally, but just for value, the deal seems fine, particularly since this draft isn't all that good and our primary need is PF. If Bender is gone, I'm not sure there is a PF that goes between 4-10 that is all that much better than someone we could get at 11, and I don't really think we need a guard or small forward.

[TeamTragic]

In this draft? I think Vucevic easily has that much value. The bigger question is need. He averages 18/9/3/1. It might make more sense if the team was ready to move Len and to ask for something else back from another team or more from the Magic.

Alright. Let's say we do that trade. Does that mean we trade Len in a package for Butler/Cousins?

Well, he is definitely more expendable and could be used in some type of package, and we've upgraded at center. I'm not really ready to give up on Len personally, but just for value, the deal seems fine, particularly since this draft isn't all that good and our primary need is PF. If Bender is gone, I'm not sure there is a PF that goes between 4-10 that is all that much better than someone we could get at 11, and I don't really think we need a guard or small forward.

We could also keep Len and have him backup Vucevic. What about Chandler?