OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[Butch718]

The other day Trump brought up the ethnic background of the judge presiding over the Trump U case. Then he tried to play it stupid saying that it was great that he was Mexican.

First of all, what does it matter what the judges ethnic background is? The guy was born in Indiana. The only reason Trump brought it up was because he knew that it would draw negative connotations among his supporters. If the judge was white do you honestly think that he would have said "we believe he's Italian or German?"

And no not all of Trumps supporters are racist. But he sure is getting a lot of racists support with his extremely divisive and hateful rhetoric.




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[knicksrbake]

i understand your revulsion. it is a disgusting term and i did not use it without consideration. no i do not throw around such phrases flippantly

just to be perfectly clear if i write either of the following two phrases

the ku klux klan hates blacks
the ku klux klan hates negroes

does either make me any closer to a klansman? no of course not. maybe you find one very offensive but it can be used for effect like i did to make my point and i stand by that

now if i said

I support the rights of negroes

that would actually be pretty twisted

instead of saying blacks or african-americans. even now some hate the word blacks

so the impact of a term is heavily dependent on which pronouns are being used

and i did have the gall to project their pov into that term

yes i accused him of being a racist

the best you can accuse me of is being insensitive and willing to engage in culturally sensitive terms but i am the one fighting the rise of an ideology that is COMPLETELY RACIST and anyone who supports the build the wall or deport 10 million people agenda is most certainly a racist. for sure. i stand by that

So being a supporter of Trump makes one a racist? How did you draw such a conclusion? Is it because the deportation of illegal immigrants would prevent jobs being taken from citizens and prevent illegals from working without paying income tax? Or is it because Trump isn't politically correct? Political correctness leads towards a downward spiral: look at Sweden. Their political correctness/"progressive" politics have led them to create "gender neutral" pronouns which must be used in school, and have led them to allowing refugees indiscriminantly, something that is causing a lot of issues in Sweden, as well as Germany.

go ahead and tell us about your support for trumps plan to create a registry of all muslims in america then

and what color and symbol would you like for the muslims to wear to identify themselves in public?

dont forget. yellow stars are already taken

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

[HarthorneWingo]

The other day Trump brought up the ethnic background of the judge presiding over the Trump U case. Then he tried to play it stupid saying that it was great that he was Mexican.

First of all, what does it matter what the judges ethnic background is? The guy was born in Indiana. The only reason Trump brought it up was because he knew that it would draw negative connotations among his supporters. If the judge was white do you honestly think that he would have said "we believe he's Italian or German?"

And no not all of Trumps supporters are racist. But he sure is getting a lot of racists support with his extremely divisive and hateful rhetoric.

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Yeah, and now that judge (the one who presides over the lawsuit(s) against Trump "University") just unsealed a whole bunch of documents from the case which make Trump look like ... um, well, Trump, I guess. lol

[HarthorneWingo]

So being a supporter of Trump makes one a racist? How did you draw such a conclusion? Is it because the deportation of illegal immigrants would prevent jobs being taken from citizens and prevent illegals from working without paying income tax? Or is it because Trump isn't politically correct? Political correctness leads towards a downward spiral: look at Sweden. Their political correctness/"progressive" politics have led them to create "gender neutral" pronouns which must be used in school, and have led them to allowing refugees indiscriminantly, something that is causing a lot of issues in Sweden, as well as Germany.

go ahead and tell us about your support for trumps plan to create a registry of all muslims in america then

and what color and symbol would you like for the muslims to wear to identify themselves in public?

dont forget. yellow stars are already taken

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

It's a slippery slope my friend. First the refugees, everyone else after that.

[knicksrbake]

go ahead and tell us about your support for trumps plan to create a registry of all muslims in america then

and what color and symbol would you like for the muslims to wear to identify themselves in public?

dont forget. yellow stars are already taken

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

It's a slippery slope my friend. First the refugees, everyone else after that.

Do you not see what the refugees are doing in Western Europe? It's pretty laughable to think that they should be able to come into the country without extensive background checks and keeping tabs on them.

[CharlesOakley]

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[knicksrbake]

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Yeah, use a crappy quote to speak for you. Your arguments against Trump are basically little nitpicky things: "he denies global warming," "he's racist" (really?), "he's been on a tv show" (seriously?).

Hillary is a MURDERER. She's responsible for thousands of deaths, if not more. The saddest part of it is that she denies any responsibility and now wants to help the refugees that are fleeing from a situation that she caused. It's okay though, Trump denies global warming so let's put in a murderer who only cares about herself and the large corporations that support her.

Honestly, at this point, I think people just identify with the liberal agenda so they can get everything handed to them. That's probably it. They'd rather have illegal immigrants leech off of our country at the detriment of millions of others. They'd rather sit at home collecting unemployment, welfare, etc., or endorse a $15 minimum wage for flipping burgers. It's a really pathetic world we live in. Trump is the type of change our country needs; Obama promised it 8 years ago and we damn sure haven't gotten it, so it's about time we put in someone who will at least try to shake things up in DC.

[CJackson]

So being a supporter of Trump makes one a racist? How did you draw such a conclusion? Is it because the deportation of illegal immigrants would prevent jobs being taken from citizens and prevent illegals from working without paying income tax? Or is it because Trump isn't politically correct? Political correctness leads towards a downward spiral: look at Sweden. Their political correctness/"progressive" politics have led them to create "gender neutral" pronouns which must be used in school, and have led them to allowing refugees indiscriminantly, something that is causing a lot of issues in Sweden, as well as Germany.

go ahead and tell us about your support for trumps plan to create a registry of all muslims in america then

and what color and symbol would you like for the muslims to wear to identify themselves in public?

dont forget. yellow stars are already taken

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

I am concerned for you if you say you are a muslim and you are a trump supporter and you dont know these basic facts. This is alarming to me. you would vote for this man and you dont even know the facts? dont you value your own freedom?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-he-would-certainly-implement-muslim-database-n466716

that is in addition to ban muslims from entering the country. I could give 100 links to that too but why should i bother?

you do realize that once muslims are banned from immigrating to the u.s. and you have a registry the next step is to prevent muslims from leaving the country to visit their friends and families or for family members to join them here. so not only do we have him saying he would deport 10 million people but we are also talking about locking down the free movement of millions of muslim americans

you better put more thought into this

much of what he has proposed is straight out of the nazi playbook. wake up

[CJackson]

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Yeah, use a crappy quote to speak for you. Your arguments against Trump are basically little nitpicky things: "he denies global warming," "he's racist" (really?), "he's been on a tv show" (seriously?).

Hillary is a MURDERER. She's responsible for thousands of deaths, if not more. The saddest part of it is that she denies any responsibility and now wants to help the refugees that are fleeing from a situation that she caused. It's okay though, Trump denies global warming so let's put in a murderer who only cares about herself and the large corporations that support her.

Honestly, at this point, I think people just identify with the liberal agenda so they can get everything handed to them. That's probably it. They'd rather have illegal immigrants leech off of our country at the detriment of millions of others. They'd rather sit at home collecting unemployment, welfare, etc., or endorse a $15 minimum wage for flipping burgers. It's a really pathetic world we live in. Trump is the type of change our country needs; Obama promised it 8 years ago and we damn sure haven't gotten it, so it's about time we put in someone who will at least try to shake things up in DC.

so now denying global warming is nit picking?

you are being completely flippant now

[CJackson]

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

It's a slippery slope my friend. First the refugees, everyone else after that.

Do you not see what the refugees are doing in Western Europe? It's pretty laughable to think that they should be able to come into the country without extensive background checks and keeping tabs on them.

excuse me, but nothing is currently preventing anyone coming in from having their background checked already

that is an entirely different proposition than dog-tagging the muslim-AMERICAN population like cattle

[knicksrbake]

go ahead and tell us about your support for trumps plan to create a registry of all muslims in america then

and what color and symbol would you like for the muslims to wear to identify themselves in public?

dont forget. yellow stars are already taken

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

I am concerned for you if you say you are a muslim and you are a trump supporter and you dont know these basic facts. This is alarming to me. you would vote for this man and you dont even know the facts? dont you value your own freedom?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-he-would-certainly-implement-muslim-database-n466716

that is in addition to ban muslims from entering the country. I could give 100 links to that too but why should i bother?

you do realize that once muslims are banned from immigrating to the u.s. and you have a registry the next step is to prevent muslims from leaving the country to visit their friends and families or for family members to join them here. so not only do we have him saying he would deport 10 million people but we are also talking about locking down the free movement of millions of muslim americans

you better put more thought into this

much of what he has proposed is straight out of the nazi playbook. wake up

"I want surveillance of these people that are coming in -- the Trojan Horse -- I want to know who the hell they are."

""No, not at all," Trump responded. "I want a database for the refugees that -- if they come into the country. We have no idea who these people are. When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we don't know if they're ISIS, we don't know if it's a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watchlists. We want to go with databases. And we have no choice.""

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/

The irony is that Hillary is the closest thing to a fascist that we've seen since Hitler. It's okay though, keep covering your eyes. She wants to control absolutely everything in our lives, but you're too busy with your blind hatred of Trump to realize that.

You just keep using biased sources that are against Trump because they want their puppet Hillary in office.

[CJackson]

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

I am concerned for you if you say you are a muslim and you are a trump supporter and you dont know these basic facts. This is alarming to me. you would vote for this man and you dont even know the facts? dont you value your own freedom?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-he-would-certainly-implement-muslim-database-n466716

that is in addition to ban muslims from entering the country. I could give 100 links to that too but why should i bother?

you do realize that once muslims are banned from immigrating to the u.s. and you have a registry the next step is to prevent muslims from leaving the country to visit their friends and families or for family members to join them here. so not only do we have him saying he would deport 10 million people but we are also talking about locking down the free movement of millions of muslim americans

you better put more thought into this

much of what he has proposed is straight out of the nazi playbook. wake up

"I want surveillance of these people that are coming in -- the Trojan Horse -- I want to know who the hell they are."

""No, not at all," Trump responded. "I want a database for the refugees that -- if they come into the country. We have no idea who these people are. When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we don't know if they're ISIS, we don't know if it's a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watchlists. We want to go with databases. And we have no choice.""

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/

The irony is that Hillary is the closest thing to a fascist that we've seen since Hitler. It's okay though, keep covering your eyes. She wants to control absolutely everything in our lives, but you're too busy with your blind hatred of Trump to realize that.

You just keep using biased sources that are against Trump because they want their puppet Hillary in office.

OK we are done with each other. I have no love for her but saying she is the closest thing to Hitler in the past 80 years is enough for me to know we shouldnt discuss this any further

[CharlesOakley]

Yeah, use a crappy quote to speak for you. Your arguments against Trump are basically little nitpicky things: "he denies global warming," "he's racist" (really?), "he's been on a tv show" (seriously?).

Hillary is a MURDERER. She's responsible for thousands of deaths, if not more. The saddest part of it is that she denies any responsibility and now wants to help the refugees that are fleeing from a situation that she caused. It's okay though, Trump denies global warming so let's put in a murderer who only cares about herself and the large corporations that support her.

Honestly, at this point, I think people just identify with the liberal agenda so they can get everything handed to them. That's probably it. They'd rather have illegal immigrants leech off of our country at the detriment of millions of others. They'd rather sit at home collecting unemployment, welfare, etc., or endorse a $15 minimum wage for flipping burgers. It's a really pathetic world we live in. Trump is the type of change our country needs; Obama promised it 8 years ago and we damn sure haven't gotten it, so it's about time we put in someone who will at least try to shake things up in DC.

I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'm voting against Trump. I think global warming and racism are important issues. I think Trump being a scam artist for his entire career is important. Trump pandering to the lowest common denominator and peppering his rallies with hate speech is important. I know a carnival barker when I see one. Politifact has him being truthful 8% of the time in his campaign speeches. Say what you will about Hillary but lying or speaking half-truths 92% of the time should send up some serious red flags. (Hillary is around 50%). You want to trust the platform of a man who only tells the truth 8% of the time, who has no political experience, who has dubious moral character and who has a poor financial track record. His only exceptional skill, as far as I can tell, is self-promotion.

I identify with a liberal agenda because I believe one of the roles of the government is to take care of its less-fortunate citizens. I don't think children or old folks should be starving or homeless. I don't think we should lead the world in prisons and lag the world in education. I make a good living and am willing to put my money where my mouth is.

I still haven't heard a rational argument for supporting him. I hear, "he is a good businessman", but a tiny amount of looking will disprove this claim. "The Wall" is completely absurd. I hear, "he is pro-America", but I've yet to see any evidence of this. He cheats his customers and makes his goods in China. He even marries foreigners. The only way to support Trump is to believe what comes out of his mouth. The only way to believe what comes out of his mouth is to pretend.

[CharlesOakley]

I'm... Muslim. Pretty sure the registry is for refugees coming into the country, to keep track of who's coming into the country...?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Yeah, use a crappy quote to speak for you. Your arguments against Trump are basically little nitpicky things: "he denies global warming," "he's racist" (really?), "he's been on a tv show" (seriously?).

Hillary is a MURDERER. She's responsible for thousands of deaths, if not more. The saddest part of it is that she denies any responsibility and now wants to help the refugees that are fleeing from a situation that she caused. It's okay though, Trump denies global warming so let's put in a murderer who only cares about herself and the large corporations that support her.

Honestly, at this point, I think people just identify with the liberal agenda so they can get everything handed to them. That's probably it. They'd rather have illegal immigrants leech off of our country at the detriment of millions of others. They'd rather sit at home collecting unemployment, welfare, etc., or endorse a $15 minimum wage for flipping burgers. It's a really pathetic world we live in. Trump is the type of change our country needs; Obama promised it 8 years ago and we damn sure haven't gotten it, so it's about time we put in someone who will at least try to shake things up in DC.

That crappy quote is about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

Here is what Trump looks like to a sane person: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA[/youtube]

[BBALLER4FR]

It's funny how before Trump threw his hat in the ring NO ONE would have ever said he'd the worst person in the world. Now that he'd up against someone who's spent their adulthood in the spotlight and in politics (so we all know her well), whom most have already baked in that she is untruthful and only cares about her political well being, then, ONLY THEN we can begin these chants of "Trump is the worst person in the world". Where was this before? And if it's so important now then why isn't Hillary's body of work also taken as seriously from those crusaders of truth and honesty?

[CJackson]

It's funny how before Trump threw his hat in the ring NO ONE would have ever said he'd the worst person in the world. Now that he'd up against someone who's spent their adulthood in the spotlight and in politics (so we all know her well), whom most have already baked in that she is untruthful and only cares about her political well being, then, ONLY THEN we can begin these chants of "Trump is the worst person in the world". Where was this before? And if it's so important now then why isn't Hillary's body of work also taken as seriously from those crusaders of truth and honesty?

that is a strange question to ask. when your greatest claim to fame is as the hokey host of a bad reality tv show why would people care about his character?

there were plenty of people who considered him a dick or a loser before he ran but it really didnt impact them either way unless they were some of the not insignificant number of people who had been scammed and ripped off by trump. he is a cheat and hustled innocent people out of their money so he had his share of haters before but they cared before he ran because he hurt them directly

but when you are running for president the context changes and you know that

[CJackson]

Yeah, use a crappy quote to speak for you. Your arguments against Trump are basically little nitpicky things: "he denies global warming," "he's racist" (really?), "he's been on a tv show" (seriously?).

Hillary is a MURDERER. She's responsible for thousands of deaths, if not more. The saddest part of it is that she denies any responsibility and now wants to help the refugees that are fleeing from a situation that she caused. It's okay though, Trump denies global warming so let's put in a murderer who only cares about herself and the large corporations that support her.

Honestly, at this point, I think people just identify with the liberal agenda so they can get everything handed to them. That's probably it. They'd rather have illegal immigrants leech off of our country at the detriment of millions of others. They'd rather sit at home collecting unemployment, welfare, etc., or endorse a $15 minimum wage for flipping burgers. It's a really pathetic world we live in. Trump is the type of change our country needs; Obama promised it 8 years ago and we damn sure haven't gotten it, so it's about time we put in someone who will at least try to shake things up in DC.

That crappy quote is about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

Here is what Trump looks like to a sane person: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA[/youtube]

I thought of that exact scene myself. That is exactly what Trump is and does. We are in the middle of Idiocracy

and that you were accused of using a crappy quote shows what level of historical illiteracy we are dealing with

[BBALLER4FR]

It's funny how before Trump threw his hat in the ring NO ONE would have ever said he'd the worst person in the world. Now that he'd up against someone who's spent their adulthood in the spotlight and in politics (so we all know her well), whom most have already baked in that she is untruthful and only cares about her political well being, then, ONLY THEN we can begin these chants of "Trump is the worst person in the world". Where was this before? And if it's so important now then why isn't Hillary's body of work also taken as seriously from those crusaders of truth and honesty?

that is a strange question to ask. when your greatest claim to fame is as the hokey host of a bad reality tv show why would people care about his character?

there were plenty of people who considered him a dick or a loser before he ran but it really didnt impact them either way unless they were some of the not insignificant number of people who had been scammed and ripped off by trump. he is a cheat and hustled innocent people out of their money so he had his share of haters before but they cared before he ran because he hurt them directly

but when you are running for president the context changes and you know that

And you don't think Hillary is anywhere near the despicable human garbage he is if not exceedingly worse? She's just as self serving. An even bigger liar. Cares just as much about $$$. Just as anti-woman with how she dealt with Bill's mistresses. Just as racially insensitive (see her CP schtick with DeBlasio. Yeah you'd say I'm reaching on that one but I say no more than the jumps people have made regarding Trump). It just seems peculiar that Democrats always make whomever the Republicans run into boogeymen quickly and via drawing conclusions.

[BBALLER4FR]

Yeah, use a crappy quote to speak for you. Your arguments against Trump are basically little nitpicky things: "he denies global warming," "he's racist" (really?), "he's been on a tv show" (seriously?).

Hillary is a MURDERER. She's responsible for thousands of deaths, if not more. The saddest part of it is that she denies any responsibility and now wants to help the refugees that are fleeing from a situation that she caused. It's okay though, Trump denies global warming so let's put in a murderer who only cares about herself and the large corporations that support her.

Honestly, at this point, I think people just identify with the liberal agenda so they can get everything handed to them. That's probably it. They'd rather have illegal immigrants leech off of our country at the detriment of millions of others. They'd rather sit at home collecting unemployment, welfare, etc., or endorse a $15 minimum wage for flipping burgers. It's a really pathetic world we live in. Trump is the type of change our country needs; Obama promised it 8 years ago and we damn sure haven't gotten it, so it's about time we put in someone who will at least try to shake things up in DC.

That crappy quote is about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

Here is what Trump looks like to a sane person: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA[/youtube]

I thought of that exact scene myself. That is exactly what Trump is and does. We are in the middle of Idiocracy

and that you were accused of using a crappy quote shows what level of historical illiteracy we are dealing with

Wanna know what's really weird about that scene? That clip shows a black president promising Americans he would heal climate and environment.

[CharlesOakley]

Let's see what one of the smartest people on the planet thinks of Trump: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/stephen-hawking-angers-trump-supporters-with-baffling-array-of-long-words