Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

Skates · Post #1861 » by **Skates** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:02 pm

Clearly he is improving those speed, leaping and agility numbers by foregoing the shirt and making himself more aerodynamic. He would clearly be just pedestrian when fully dressed (yes, sarcasm, not sure how to do the green text thing on my phone)

SelfishPlayer · Post #1862 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:03 pm

FreesFro wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:I've never seen Lebron give up an open dunk except maybe to a teammate for an open dunk when they were both on a 2 on zero fast break. That particular play by Simmons is something to scrutinize, giving up a dunk for 3 point attempt within the first 6 minutes of a game will not work in the NBA.

Hmm, really? Have you watched the Golden State Warriors play recently? Teams do it all the time these days. It's a new era. I don't like it, but it is what it is.

Obviously you didn't look at the video... No NBA team has ever passed up an open dunk below the foul line for a 3 point attempt so early in the game.

phiphan · Post #1863 » by **phiphan** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:10 pm

Simmons's lane agility and 3/4 sprint times are phenomenal to the point where I don't trust em

76ciology · Post #1864 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:10 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/that_guy_colin/status/738037111052488704[/tweet]

76ciology · Post #1865 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:11 pm

Skates wrote:Clearly he is improving those speed, leaping and agility numbers by foregoing the shirt and making himself more aerodynamic. He would clearly be just pedestrian when fully dressed (yes, sarcasm, not sure how to do the green text thing on my phone)

Stubhub patch would add extra weight that will slow him down.

Negrodamus · Post #1866 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:13 pm

76ciology wrote::lol: [tweet]https://twitter.com/that_guy_colin/status/738037111052488704[/tweet]

Check those legs right now!

phiphan · Post #1867 » by **phiphan** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:15 pm

For reference, top 3/4 sprint and lane agility by year:

3/4 Sprint (SIMMONS 3.05)

2000 3.00 Schea Cotton
2001 2.91 Cookie Belcher
2002 3.03 Damon Hancock
2003 3.04 Kirk Penney
2004 2.96 Nate Robinson
2005 3.00 Will Bynum
2006 3.06 Rodney Carney
2007 3.09 Mike Conley
2008 2.96 Sonny Weems
2009 3.03 Toney Douglas
2010 3.10 Trevor Booker
2011 3.02 Jereme Richmond
2012 3.16 Harrison Barnes
2013 3.08 Larkin, Shane
2014 3.10 KJ McDaniels
2015 3.02 Marcus Thornton
2016 3.12 Michael Gbinije

Lane Agility (SIMMONS 10.61)

2000 10.40 Igor Rakocevic
2001 9.65 Jamison Brewer
2002 10.34 Jay Williams
2003 10.44 Kirk Penney
2004 10.45 Chris Duhon
2005 10.32 Alan Anderson
2006 10.35 Daniel Horton
2007 10.39 Demetris Nichols
2008 10.54 DeMarcus Nelson
2009 10.44 Jack McClinton
2010 10.84 John Wall
2011 10.07 Norris Cole
2012 10.48 Quincy Acy
2013 10.19 Leslie, C.J.
2014 10.42 Zach LaVine
2015 10.22 Devin Booker
2016 10.26 Joel Bolomboy

76ciology · Post #1868 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:16 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
76ciology wrote::lol: [tweet]https://twitter.com/that_guy_colin/status/738037111052488704[/tweet]

Check those legs right now!

Needs to bring him to Qatar and clone him like Biid.

76ciology · Post #1869 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:18 pm

phiphan wrote:For reference, top 3/4 sprint and lane agility by year:

3/4 Sprint (SIMMONS 3.05)

2000 3.00 Schea Cotton
2001 2.91 Cookie Belcher
2002 3.03 Damon Hancock
2003 3.04 Kirk Penney
2004 2.96 Nate Robinson
2005 3.00 Will Bynum
2006 3.06 Rodney Carney
2007 3.09 Mike Conley
2008 2.96 Sonny Weems
2009 3.03 Toney Douglas
2010 3.10 Trevor Booker
2011 3.02 Jereme Richmond
2012 3.16 Harrison Barnes
2013 3.08 Larkin, Shane
2014 3.10 KJ McDaniels
2015 3.02 Marcus Thornton
2016 3.12 Michael Gbinije

Lane Agility (SIMMONS 10.61)

2000 10.40 Igor Rakocevic
2001 9.65 Jamison Brewer
2002 10.34 Jay Williams
2003 10.44 Kirk Penney
2004 10.45 Chris Duhon
2005 10.32 Alan Anderson
2006 10.35 Daniel Horton
2007 10.39 Demetris Nichols
2008 10.54 DeMarcus Nelson
2009 10.44 Jack McClinton
2010 10.84 John Wall
2011 10.07 Norris Cole
2012 10.48 Quincy Acy
2013 10.19 Leslie, C.J.
2014 10.42 Zach LaVine
2015 10.22 Devin Booker
2016 10.26 Joel Bolomboy

elite speed IMO.

phiphan · Post #1870 » by **phiphan** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:19 pm

For real. Check how many PFs or even SFs are on those lists...

Negrodamus · Post #1871 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:21 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/738057226892509184[/tweet]

Unbreakable99 · Post #1872 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:22 pm

These agility tests make give me pause. I don't know if I buy them. It's like when a football prospect runs a faster 40 time on his pro day than the combine. I want to see footage of this and I want it to be timed by people to see if these times are true. This seems too good to be true.

76ciology · Post #1873 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:22 pm

Negrodamus wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/738057226892509184[/tweet]

The defender also defends like Simmons. FWIW

Negrodamus · Post #1874 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:24 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:These agility tests make give me pause. I don't know if I buy them. It's like when a football prospect runs a faster 40 time on his pro day than the combine. I want to see footage of this and I want it to be timed by people to see if these times are true. This seems too good to be true.

I question them a bit too. On the other hand, I don't think these numbers should be weighted like the NFL. We all know Simmons is a fast dude and is skilled, so we don't really need numbers to tell us anything about him as a prospect. In the NFL, there are more players on the field and it's really about covering ground, so the numbers are a little more revealing.

MatthewGeigerII · Post #1875 » by **MatthewGeigerII** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:25 pm

.... i just can't help myself now to start building him

need it.

ET Da Gawd · Post #1876 » by **ET Da Gawd** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:25 pm

Stroke look fine to me..Here's to our new SMALL FORWARD
[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/738031922052497408[/tweet]

76ciology · Post #1877 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:27 pm

phiphan wrote:For real. Check how many PFs or even SFs are on those lists...

6'10" John Wall

Negrodamus · Post #1878 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:27 pm

ET Da Gawd wrote:Stroke look fine to me..Here's to our new SMALL FORWARD
[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/738031922052497408[/tweet]

Yea, but can he rainbow kick over his head and hit a 3?

phiphan · Post #1879 » by **phiphan** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:27 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:These agility tests make give me pause. I don't know if I buy them. It's like when a football prospect runs a faster 40 time on his pro day than the combine. I want to see footage of this and I want it to be timed by people to see if these times are true. This seems too good to be true.

Agreed. Dejounte Murray's 3/4 sprint would be like top 3 all time...

Post #1880 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:28 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:These agility tests make give me pause. I don't know if I buy them. It's like when a football prospect runs a faster 40 time on his pro day than the combine. I want to see footage of this and I want it to be timed by people to see if these times are true. This seems too good to be true.

Yeah I wouldn't put too much weight on them. That being said its not like him being fast and athletic should be a shock to anyone that's watched him play.