Should the Knicks tank in the '16-'17 season?

F N 11 · Post #141 » by **F N 11** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 2:46 pm

Aint tanking. There will be a lot of player development this year along with winning.

NewYorkPride85 · Post #142 » by **NewYorkPride85** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 4:54 pm

You only tank when you have nothing going for you. We actually have some decent guys and a future all star in KP. With Horny on deck and actually having a real coach and our goal should be development and showing that we are relevant and competitive. Grow from within and plug in as we continue to grow and develop. Tanking will just stunt the development of the team and players, not to mention that this year is the year we need to show something considering how good free agency will be next year.

Post #143 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 4:57 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:You only tank when you have nothing going for you. We actually have some decent guys and a future all star in KP. With Horny on deck and actually having a real coach and our goal should be development and showing that we are relevant and competitive. Grow from within and plug in as we continue to grow and develop. Tanking will just stunt the development of the team and players, not to mention that this year is the year we need to show something considering how good free agency will be next year.

Then Jackson needs to talk Anthony into waiving his no trade clause.

NewYorkPride85 · Post #144 » by **NewYorkPride85** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:16 pm

moocow007 wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:You only tank when you have nothing going for you. We actually have some decent guys and a future all star in KP. With Horny on deck and actually having a real coach and our goal should be development and showing that we are relevant and competitive. Grow from within and plug in as we continue to grow and develop. Tanking will just stunt the development of the team and players, not to mention that this year is the year we need to show something considering how good free agency will be next year.

Then Jackson needs to talk Anthony into waiving his no trade clause.

Not if the goal is to improve and look attractive to stars next year. Stars want to play with other stars on teams that are on the upswing. Can't do that with just KP. You only ask Melo to waive his clause if you are looking to tank.

Dr. Detfink · Post #145 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 5:19 pm

Should the Knicks tank? Why else did Phil hire Jeff Hornacek if not to sabotage the next season.

EricAnderson · Post #146 » by **EricAnderson** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 6:34 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:You only tank when you have nothing going for you. We actually have some decent guys and a future all star in KP. With Horny on deck and actually having a real coach and our goal should be development and showing that we are relevant and competitive. Grow from within and plug in as we continue to grow and develop. Tanking will just stunt the development of the team and players, not to mention that this year is the year we need to show something considering how good free agency will be next year.

But we need another young stud to pair with Kp.. The other young players are future rotation players at best

delvec19 · Post #147 » by **delvec19** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 7:01 pm

If we strike out on FA's like we usually do, we won't need to tank. We're going to be bad anyway.

NewYorkPride85 · Post #148 » by **NewYorkPride85** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 7:11 pm

EricAnderson wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:You only tank when you have nothing going for you. We actually have some decent guys and a future all star in KP. With Horny on deck and actually having a real coach and our goal should be development and showing that we are relevant and competitive. Grow from within and plug in as we continue to grow and develop. Tanking will just stunt the development of the team and players, not to mention that this year is the year we need to show something considering how good free agency will be next year.

But we need another young stud to pair with Kp.. The other young players are future rotation players at best

How sure are you that whoever we get is going to be a stud? Like Alan Hahn says, picks are the currency of hope as in hope the player we get pans out (down the road). We should be focusing on improving and looking good for players that can help right away and advance KP's development. Take a look at the free agents for next year and you will see what I mean.

Marty McFly · Post #149 » by **Marty McFly** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 7:52 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:You only tank when you have nothing going for you. We actually have some decent guys and a future all star in KP. With Horny on deck and actually having a real coach and our goal should be development and showing that we are relevant and competitive. Grow from within and plug in as we continue to grow and develop. Tanking will just stunt the development of the team and players, not to mention that this year is the year we need to show something considering how good free agency will be next year.

But we need another young stud to pair with Kp.. The other young players are future rotation players at best

How sure are you that whoever we get is going to be a stud? Like Alan Hahn says, picks are the currency of hope as in hope the player we get pans out (down the road). We should be focusing on improving and looking good for players that can help right away and advance KP's development. Take a look at the free agents for next year and you will see what I mean.

i'm baffled at how many times this argument gets made. as if the knicks always hit a home run in free agency. free agency is the currency of what? pipedreams? as far as i'm concerned, the draft has panned out for us a hell of alot more than free agency.

in all of knick history I might add.

NewYorkPride85 · Post #150 » by **NewYorkPride85** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 8:23 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:
But we need another young stud to pair with Kp.. The other young players are future rotation players at best

How sure are you that whoever we get is going to be a stud? Like Alan Hahn says, picks are the currency of hope as in hope the player we get pans out (down the road). We should be focusing on improving and looking good for players that can help right away and advance KP's development. Take a look at the free agents for next year and you will see what I mean.

i'm baffled at how many times this argument gets made. as if the knicks always hit a home run in free agency. free agency is the currency of what? pipedreams? as far as i'm concerned, the draft has panned out for us a hell of alot more than free agency.

in all of knick history I might add.

Besides KP, who has panned out? Actually, when was the last time we resigned our own damn draft pick? Really want to know where this "hell of a lot" comes from...

Marty McFly · Post #151 » by **Marty McFly** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 8:34 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
How sure are you that whoever we get is going to be a stud? Like Alan Hahn says, picks are the currency of hope as in hope the player we get pans out (down the road). We should be focusing on improving and looking good for players that can help right away and advance KP's development. Take a look at the free agents for next year and you will see what I mean.

i'm baffled at how many times this argument gets made. as if the knicks always hit a home run in free agency. free agency is the currency of what? pipedreams? as far as i'm concerned, the draft has panned out for us a hell of alot more than free agency.

in all of knick history I might add.

Besides KP, who has panned out? Actually, when was the last time we resigned our own damn draft pick? Really want to know where this "hell of a lot" comes from...

do patrick ewing, walt frazier, willis reed not exist in your universe? what fa that this team has signed were better than them? amare? allan houston? :lol:

NewYorkPride85 · Post #152 » by **NewYorkPride85** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 8:38 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:i'm baffled at how many times this argument gets made. as if the knicks always hit a home run in free agency. free agency is the currency of what? pipedreams? as far as i'm concerned, the draft has panned out for us a hell of alot more than free agency.

in all of knick history I might add.

Besides KP, who has panned out? Actually, when was the last time we resigned our own damn draft pick? Really want to know where this "hell of a lot" comes from...

do patrick ewing, walt frazier, willis reed not exist in your universe? what fa that this team has signed that were better than them? amare? allan houston?

Oh you mean guys drafted over 30 years ago... Got it. Nothing like living in the present :crazy:

Marty McFly · Post #153 » by **Marty McFly** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 8:47 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Besides KP, who has panned out? Actually, when was the last time we resigned our own damn draft pick? Really want to know where this "hell of a lot" comes from...

do patrick ewing, walt frazier, willis reed not exist in your universe? what fa that this team has signed that were better than them? amare? allan houston?

Oh you mean guys drafted over 30 years ago... Got it. Nothing like living in the present

i have history to base my argument on. two different teams, 20 years apart, led by draftees, that led this team to a championship series (in reed and walt's case, 2 wins) you know about some phantom championship that stat won us, that i haven't heard about?

NewYorkPride85 · Post #154 » by **NewYorkPride85** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 8:56 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:do patrick ewing, walt frazier, willis reed not exist in your universe? what fa that this team has signed that were better than them? amare? allan houston?

Oh you mean guys drafted over 30 years ago... Got it. Nothing like living in the present

i have history to base my argument on. two different teams, 20 years apart, led by draftees, that led this team to a championship series (in reed and walt's case, 2 wins) you know about some phantom championship that stat won us, that i haven't heard about?

Two completely different leagues for you to compare. Today's league is a different beast all together. Outside of Golden State and San Antonio which team has won a championships strictly on the talent they drafted? Both of those teams are run right from top to bottom and they can actually recruit because they built up a respectable program that is always competitive. Just look at Minasota or even OKC for that matter. Not going to lie though, if OKC was run right and wasn't stingy with the $4.5m extra that Harden was asking before they traded him they would have at the very least had one ring by now.

Marty McFly · Post #155 » by **Marty McFly** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 9:40 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Two completely different leagues for you to compare. Today's league is a different beast all together. Outside of Golden State and San Antonio which team has won a championships strictly on the talent they drafted? Both of those teams are run right from top to bottom and they can actually recruit because they built up a respectable program that is always competitive. Just look at Minasota or even OKC for that matter. Not going to lie though, if OKC was run right and wasn't stingy with the $4.5m extra that Harden was asking before they traded him they would have at the very least had one ring by now.

you mention today's league, and you mention the standard bearers for today's league, then you ask outside of said teams, who's been winning championships; like teams assembled through free agency have been dad dickin the league.

literally lebron's heat and shaq's lakers were the only teams in the last 25 years to win championships with the key component to their championship wins being had through free agency.

and this is beside the point. the fact is, this team has a minuscule chance of signing the sort of players that will change this teams fortunes overnight. if you think scratching and clawing to the 8th spot is going to be the main reason a durant or a westbrook make their way here, you're deluding yourself.

spree8 · Post #156 » by **spree8** » Wed Jun 1, 2016 10:28 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Besides KP, who has panned out? Actually, when was the last time we resigned our own damn draft pick? Really want to know where this "hell of a lot" comes from...

do patrick ewing, walt frazier, willis reed not exist in your universe? what fa that this team has signed that were better than them? amare? allan houston?

Oh you mean guys drafted over 30 years ago... Got it. Nothing like living in the present

Wait...you really can't say that because we've traded a shyt ton of draft picks that ended up as star players....so don't only count the picks we've kept. Plus, look at the times we traded it and marginally improved the team, i.e. with Marbury (but still sucked) and made the pick worse when we could've just kept it and had a much better player/higher pick. If we never did that Steph deal (one of many) we would've kept and had higher picks in 2004, 2005, and even if our pick stayed the same in 2010 look who we could've had (PGeorge or Hayward).

Now compare that with FA...

N Y K · Post #157 » by **N Y K** » Thu Jun 2, 2016 1:35 am

We hired a coach, that's all that's happened. It wasn't an ideal tank commander, but I'm still on team tank 2017.

Juggynaut · Post #158 » by **Juggynaut** » Thu Jun 2, 2016 1:57 am

Team tank is strong, we will make it a reality. 8-)

Jalen Bluntson · Post #159 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Thu Jun 2, 2016 2:15 am

We're not tanking. We were a better team than our record last season. We just had inconsistent or just plain lousy rotations and lineups. Terrible coaching. DNPs for young players we should have been playing. We could have made a run at .500 IMO.

We just hired a HC who took a supposed lottery bound team to 48 wins in a tough western conference.

Not sure team tank is gonna get what they want.

N Y K · Post #160 » by **N Y K** » Thu Jun 2, 2016 2:17 am

Are We Ther Yet wrote:We're not tanking. We were a better team than our record last season. We just had inconsistent or just plain lousy rotations and lineups. Terrible coaching. DNPs for young players we should have been playing. We could have made a run at .500 IMO.

We just hired a HC who took a supposed lottery bound team to 48 wins in a tough western conference.

Not sure team tank is gonna get what they want.

we aren't, we're going to get the 14th pick in the draft. thank the lord we will at least have big body clarence the god on our side draft night.

Should the Knicks tank '16-'17?