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PhilasFinest wrote:Sundown wrote:PhilasFinest wrote:
Its a rumor, just like the Rose deal and Okafor for #3. Relax
It is a little more than that in fairness. The Bulls deal was just made up.
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How is it more than a rumor?
NYSixersFan wrote:
the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
NYSixersFan wrote:
the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
Negrodamus wrote:Even if we do this, I still am not certain that an Okafor trade is off the shelf, especially if they love Dunn. It would kill me a little bit to see 2 of our last 3 top draft picks be traded, thus wiping away most of Hinkie's work.
Sam Hinkie wrote:The illusion of control is an opiate, though.
Ericb5 wrote:Negrodamus wrote:Even if we do this, I still am not certain that an Okafor trade is off the shelf, especially if they love Dunn. It would kill me a little bit to see 2 of our last 3 top draft picks be traded, thus wiping away most of Hinkie's work.
There are no bigger Hinkie fans than me, but I wouldn't see moves like those as wiping away his legacy at all.
We knew that he was always thinking of assets instead of how they would fit together, and that one, if not both of them, would need to be traded eventually.
This kind of deal would piss me off last summer, but now that we are getting Simmons, my mind set has shifted towards roster building around him and Embiid.
That doesn't mean burn everything else, but I am ok with a deal "like" this one now in the sense that it OBVIOUSLY improves us right away.
I have to think about it some more, and I'm hoping that there would be more too it, but I'm sort of surprised by my gut reaction not being very negative on this one.
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ozzykhan16 wrote:Dennis Schroeder is better than Teague.
Arsenal wrote:Ericb5 wrote:Negrodamus wrote:Even if we do this, I still am not certain that an Okafor trade is off the shelf, especially if they love Dunn. It would kill me a little bit to see 2 of our last 3 top draft picks be traded, thus wiping away most of Hinkie's work.
There are no bigger Hinkie fans than me, but I wouldn't see moves like those as wiping away his legacy at all.
We knew that he was always thinking of assets instead of how they would fit together, and that one, if not both of them, would need to be traded eventually.
This kind of deal would piss me off last summer, but now that we are getting Simmons, my mind set has shifted towards roster building around him and Embiid.
That doesn't mean burn everything else, but I am ok with a deal "like" this one now in the sense that it OBVIOUSLY improves us right away.
I have to think about it some more, and I'm hoping that there would be more too it, but I'm sort of surprised by my gut reaction not being very negative on this one.
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Hinkie wasn't in the business of pissing away assets. There's NO CHANCE he would make this deal when Teague is highly likely to walk away to a contender next summer leaving us with nothing.
Best case is we are able to resign a league average PG for $20-$25M/year, but why wouldn't he get the same from one of the other dozens of teams with a cr@pload of cap room? The whole damn league can pay out a max contract, and many teams will be able to pay out more than one. Why would he stick around going into his age 29 season to babysit a bunch of 20-22 year olds?
The Colangelo's of the world on the other hand don't seem to think 1 or 2 seasons ahead, so for them it's a good deal because we'll be better next year.
Arsenal wrote:Ericb5 wrote:Negrodamus wrote:Even if we do this, I still am not certain that an Okafor trade is off the shelf, especially if they love Dunn. It would kill me a little bit to see 2 of our last 3 top draft picks be traded, thus wiping away most of Hinkie's work.
There are no bigger Hinkie fans than me, but I wouldn't see moves like those as wiping away his legacy at all.
We knew that he was always thinking of assets instead of how they would fit together, and that one, if not both of them, would need to be traded eventually.
This kind of deal would piss me off last summer, but now that we are getting Simmons, my mind set has shifted towards roster building around him and Embiid.
That doesn't mean burn everything else, but I am ok with a deal "like" this one now in the sense that it OBVIOUSLY improves us right away.
I have to think about it some more, and I'm hoping that there would be more too it, but I'm sort of surprised by my gut reaction not being very negative on this one.
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Hinkie wasn't in the business of pissing away assets. There's NO CHANCE he would make this deal when Teague is highly likely to walk away to a contender next summer leaving us with nothing.
Best case is we are able to resign a league average PG for $20-$25M/year, but why wouldn't he get the same from one of the other dozens of teams with a cr@pload of cap room? The whole damn league can pay out a max contract, and many teams will be able to pay out more than one. Why would he stick around going into his age 29 season to babysit a bunch of 20-22 year olds?
The Colangelo's of the world on the other hand don't seem to think 1 or 2 seasons ahead, so for them it's a good deal because we'll be better next year.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
Ericb5 wrote:Arsenal wrote:Ericb5 wrote:
There are no bigger Hinkie fans than me, but I wouldn't see moves like those as wiping away his legacy at all.
We knew that he was always thinking of assets instead of how they would fit together, and that one, if not both of them, would need to be traded eventually.
This kind of deal would piss me off last summer, but now that we are getting Simmons, my mind set has shifted towards roster building around him and Embiid.
That doesn't mean burn everything else, but I am ok with a deal "like" this one now in the sense that it OBVIOUSLY improves us right away.
I have to think about it some more, and I'm hoping that there would be more too it, but I'm sort of surprised by my gut reaction not being very negative on this one.
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Hinkie wasn't in the business of pissing away assets. There's NO CHANCE he would make this deal when Teague is highly likely to walk away to a contender next summer leaving us with nothing.
Best case is we are able to resign a league average PG for $20-$25M/year, but why wouldn't he get the same from one of the other dozens of teams with a cr@pload of cap room? The whole damn league can pay out a max contract, and many teams will be able to pay out more than one. Why would he stick around going into his age 29 season to babysit a bunch of 20-22 year olds?
The Colangelo's of the world on the other hand don't seem to think 1 or 2 seasons ahead, so for them it's a good deal because we'll be better next year.
Good point.
He would have to sign an extension with us now for me to feel good about it.
I'm not saying that I love this. I'm just saying that this kind of move isn't bad now that we won the lottery.
Noel did not improve this year, and while circumstances made him struggle a bit with the horrible guard play, and playing out of position, I'm not as thrilled about him long term as I was before.
The tank is over and it was a huge success. We have the internal pieces to build around now, and Noel isn't part of the core in my mind.
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Aussiepiston1 wrote:I don't see why Atlanta would do this unless they believe Milsap can play SF.....
For us, it really has to be a confidence thing that A: Teague will resign B: Okafor will learn how to play defense or Embiid will be healthy
Teague/Stauskas/Simmons/Okafor/Embiid (Saric 6th Man) Teague/Stauskas/Simmons/Saric/Okafor (Embiid 6th Man)
Don't think It's going to Happen but I'm bracing myself to like it hahahahaha
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
PhilasFinest wrote:Aussiepiston1 wrote:I don't see why Atlanta would do this unless they believe Milsap can play SF.....
For us, it really has to be a confidence thing that A: Teague will resign B: Okafor will learn how to play defense or Embiid will be healthy
Teague/Stauskas/Simmons/Okafor/Embiid (Saric 6th Man) Teague/Stauskas/Simmons/Saric/Okafor (Embiid 6th Man)
Don't think It's going to Happen but I'm bracing myself to like it hahahahaha
Or maybe they think a legitimate PG can help our core players grow?
Developing players by surrounding them with D-leaguers and playing them out of position doesn't exactly scream "ideal" to me.
NYSixersFan wrote:
the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
PhilasFinest wrote:Arsenal wrote:Ericb5 wrote:
There are no bigger Hinkie fans than me, but I wouldn't see moves like those as wiping away his legacy at all.
We knew that he was always thinking of assets instead of how they would fit together, and that one, if not both of them, would need to be traded eventually.
This kind of deal would piss me off last summer, but now that we are getting Simmons, my mind set has shifted towards roster building around him and Embiid.
That doesn't mean burn everything else, but I am ok with a deal "like" this one now in the sense that it OBVIOUSLY improves us right away.
I have to think about it some more, and I'm hoping that there would be more too it, but I'm sort of surprised by my gut reaction not being very negative on this one.
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Hinkie wasn't in the business of pissing away assets. There's NO CHANCE he would make this deal when Teague is highly likely to walk away to a contender next summer leaving us with nothing.
Best case is we are able to resign a league average PG for $20-$25M/year, but why wouldn't he get the same from one of the other dozens of teams with a cr@pload of cap room? The whole damn league can pay out a max contract, and many teams will be able to pay out more than one. Why would he stick around going into his age 29 season to babysit a bunch of 20-22 year olds?
The Colangelo's of the world on the other hand don't seem to think 1 or 2 seasons ahead, so for them it's a good deal because we'll be better next year.
Yea because we've saw what Hinkie can do turning assets into actual proven commodities?
