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Thank Nation! Raptors Pick 9th (PART 5)

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Re: Thank Nation! Raptors Pick 9th (PART 5) 

Post#1861 » by TheGoodDoctor » Thu Jun 2, 2016 10:12 pm

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Risk101 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAeyfInV0g[/youtube]

Quickest 3:50/3:51 ever. He's very impressive and knowledgeable in this interview and doesn't come off as I'm smarter then you. Might be early for me to say this but sign me up.


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Post#1862 » by BismackonLebron » Thu Jun 2, 2016 10:35 pm

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Just because Hield worked to become a better shooter doesn't mean Ellenson will be able to match that. Hield is the best shooter in the draft. He can create his own shot, use his dribble to get to the rim, and has good size for a wing. He's the most NBA ready player in the draft, in my opinion.


Lol. My point is: you are comparing a highly skilled 19-year-old freshman to a 22-year-old senior who needed four years of college to enter the first-round conversation.

Hield has good size for a wing? 6' 3.75 without shoes is piss poor size. Throw in his average-at-best athleticism and you have a problem. Who is he guarding in the NBA? Nobody. Throw a decent NBA defender on Hield and he will pretty much be useless.

Same was said about a guy in CJ McCollum and look at what he's doing in the NBA. Who was he suppose to guard? Hield's ability to pass even though he's a prolific scorer shows his feel for the game and history shows that guys can pass off of the point guard position in college means that there's almost zero bust potential when they reach the NBA.

Hield is going to be a stud. Tortellini is dead wrong on this one. If he drops to 9 you take him and forget about whoever else you thought you were going to select there.
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Post#1863 » by BismackonLebron » Thu Jun 2, 2016 10:39 pm

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S ID wrote:Who do you guys have at 27?

Maker, McCaw, Fielder, Yabusele, Bembry (if he's moved to point guard), Whitehead, Stone, Daniel Hamilton. Brogdan.

Sorry guys, there's just too many guys that sound intriguing early in the draft process. It's too bad we don't have any 2nd rounders in this year's draft.

If Maker is still available here youve got to swing for the fences on him. Low risk, huge reward. His potential is as high as anyones in the draft. Odds are he will never reach said potential, but if he did we've got ourselves that third star we need to compete for championships.
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Post#1864 » by Risk101 » Thu Jun 2, 2016 10:58 pm

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Post#1865 » by andyo » Thu Jun 2, 2016 11:08 pm

I will never be sold on Chriss as BPA or Best talent available despite the hype train going on right now. His game is similar to a college Thomas Robinson/Derrick Williams hybrid and I'm not convinced it will translate at this level. He doesn't have the first step or ball-skills to be anything more than a role player at best, IMO.

I'm a fan of Deyonta, he projects well at this level and even though we already have Jonas, unless Jaylen Brown or Dunn drop, I don't think there will be anything better at #9.
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Post#1866 » by bongmarley » Thu Jun 2, 2016 11:09 pm

Can the Raps draft a player at their pick and stash him on Dleague team without him taking up a roster spot on team or because its first rounder he must take up roster spot
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Post#1867 » by Grandia » Thu Jun 2, 2016 11:10 pm

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That's really more dependent on the readiness of the draft pick and the dearth at its position, than it is on Casey. I'm sure he'd love to have a player that's ready to contribute.


I hope so. Although I remember Powell was doing great in the playoffs then not only was his minutes trimmed down suddenly, he played 0 minutes whenever the game was remotely close.

I just hope Casey becomes a coach that can develop a player. I think that's the next thing he needsto improve on.


I think this is a weird narrative around here. I mean it's not like he's had a glut of blue chip prospects to groom. JV would be the closest thing to that and Casey started him from day one; and although he's brought him along a little slowly (not trusting him in 4th quarters until this year) JV has grown into an All-star calibre big man.


I see what you're saying but I believe JV is the reason JV is an all star caliber player. He has talent. Casey still doesn't like JV. He loves Biyombo. That's why i dont want Biyombo back. BB will take a lot of JV's minutes.
Casey plays Lowry & DD even if they're awful and benches JV for a slight mixup. Again, I hope you're right though. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post#1868 » by Risk101 » Thu Jun 2, 2016 11:20 pm

bongmarley wrote:Can the Raps draft a player at their pick and stash him on Dleague team without him taking up a roster spot on team or because its first rounder he must take up roster spot


It can be done under certain guidelines and an agreement before hand with the player and organization from my understanding. Josh Huestis did it with OKC and agreed to not come over to the team initially and go straight to the D-League. The only problem was he had to forfeit his pay and live off 30 grand for the year.

One year after making the somewhat shocking decision to use the 29th pick in the first round of the 2014 draft on Josh Huestis, a lightly regarded prospect who may well have fallen out of the draft entirely if he hadn't agreed to become the NBA's first-ever "domestic draft-and-stash" player, the Oklahoma City Thunder have formally brought the Stanford swingman into the big-league fold.

That $32,200 initial pay bump came at a cost, though. Per the terms of the pre-draft deal that Huestis' representatives reached with the Thunder, the 6-foot-7 wing had to spend his entire first professional season with the Oklahoma City Blue, the Thunder's D-League team, making somewhere around $25,000 for a year of work rather than the full freight of his first-year rookie salary.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/josh-huestis-finally-gets-his-deal--as-thunder-sign-d-league-draft-and-stash-for-4-year-184238228.html
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Post#1869 » by Landomar » Thu Jun 2, 2016 11:59 pm

This draft seems to have good depth. I think the tier from 9 to 22 or so is filled with comparable players. There are also a lot of intriguing names in the late first / early second. Picking 9th does seem to be a bit of an awkward spot, though.

Tier One - Simmons, Ingram
Tier Two - Murray, Hield, Dunn, Bender, Brown, Chriss (although I'm not sold on Brown or Chriss)

I'd be in favour of either trading up to get Murray/Hield/Bender, or trading down if possible.
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Post#1870 » by Skeezo » Fri Jun 3, 2016 1:17 am

0 - 100 wrote:had a dream we drafted Skal at 9th.


Mine was Chriss,

Happened a little over a month ago prior to when I really had any opinion on the draft. Dreamt I met Masai and he told me... Yeah pretty far fetched considering I don't live in Toronto, and it's doubtful Masai would just tell some random fan but that was it.
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Post#1871 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Fri Jun 3, 2016 1:56 am

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Post#1872 » by JShuttlesworth » Fri Jun 3, 2016 2:17 am

For some reason I feel as though the Raptors end up with Chriss or Brown. My gut tells me someone is going to take a chance on Chriss before we pick, and that Brown will fall. I'm not necessarily sold on Brown though, but I think Chriss can be a really good player.
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Post#1873 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:01 am

Skal n Val = too much length + those names just flow well together. Really I just like his length + rim protection and he's becoming a stretch big. He was highly touted this time last year, just had an up n down year for a coach who is more interested in winning than development. He's also working on his 3 if ya'all worried.
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Post#1874 » by UneducatedFan86 » Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:16 am

I wouldn't move the draft pick unless we are moving up or moving back. Having cheap, high-upside talent is going to be key for this team going forward. It might not equal instant production but it's not like we can't use some depth at certain positions (PF, SF and C). There are lots of playoff teams that have/had young players make an impact on their team.
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Post#1875 » by deeps6x » Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:25 am

If Murray falls to #6, I know how we can get him.

Offer the Pelicans #9, Ross and De Colo for #6 and Asik. BAM! Instant talent upgrades for the Pelicans, we get our future starting SG or PG in Murray, and we fill the backup C position. They also get to draft Poeltl which they wanted to do anyway.

Asik kind of sucks, and he is owed about as much as Ross per year, but to get a potential star in Murray, I think we'd have to do it. Plus, with Ross gone, we can even give Murray some of his minutes in the rotation.

Extra bonus. Casey can't under play JV because he won't love Asik as much as he loves Biyombo.


Deal is off though if Hield is the one to fall to #6. They seem to love him.
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Post#1876 » by deeps6x » Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:26 am

UneducatedFan86 wrote:I wouldn't move the draft pick unless we are moving up or moving back. Having cheap, high-upside talent is going to be key for this team going forward. It might not equal instant production but it's not like we can't use some depth at certain positions (PF, SF and C). There are lots of playoff teams that have/had young players make an impact on their team.


What if we are moving sideways?
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Post#1877 » by UneducatedFan86 » Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:33 am

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UneducatedFan86 wrote:I wouldn't move the draft pick unless we are moving up or moving back. Having cheap, high-upside talent is going to be key for this team going forward. It might not equal instant production but it's not like we can't use some depth at certain positions (PF, SF and C). There are lots of playoff teams that have/had young players make an impact on their team.


What if we are moving sideways?


Hm... I guess that will work too. I just wouldn't move it if it meant we were just getting a marginal veteran player back or something.
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Post#1878 » by Troubadour » Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:42 am

My Top 10:

1. Brandon Ingram
2. Ben Simmons
3. Buddy Hield
4. Dragan Bender
5. Kris Dunn
6. Marquese Chriss
7. Jaylen Brown
8. Jamal Murray
9. Deyonta Davis
10. Timothe Luwawu

If one of those Top 8 don't fall to #9, I think the Raptors should look at trading the pick.

My board at #27

1. Malik Beasley
2. Guerschon Yabusele
3. Brice Johnson
4. Thon Maker
5. Dorian Finney-Smith
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Post#1879 » by Stromile12 » Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:46 am

Troubadour wrote:My Top 10:

1. Brandon Ingram
2. Ben Simmons
3. Buddy Hield
4. Dragan Bender
5. Kris Dunn
6. Marquese Chriss
7. Jaylen Brown
8. Jamal Murray
9. Deyonta Davis
10. Timothe Luwawu

If one of those Top 8 don't fall to #9, I think the Raptors should look at trading the pick.

My board at #27

1. Malik Beasley
2. Guerschon Yabusele
3. Brice Johnson
4. Thon Maker
5. Dorian Finney-Smith


Agree with the top 8, so basically we are picking between Davis/Poetl/Skal/Luwawu/Ellenson? I hope that someone drop's and that is not actually the top 8 though
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Post#1880 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Jun 3, 2016 3:54 am

deeps6x wrote:If Murray falls to #6, I know how we can get him.

Offer the Pelicans #9, Ross and De Colo for #6 and Asik. BAM! Instant talent upgrades for the Pelicans, we get our future starting SG or PG in Murray, and we fill the backup C position. They also get to draft Poeltl which they wanted to do anyway.

Asik kind of sucks, and he is owed about as much as Ross per year, but to get a potential star in Murray, I think we'd have to do it. Plus, with Ross gone, we can even give Murray some of his minutes in the rotation.

Extra bonus. Casey can't under play JV because he won't love Asik as much as he loves Biyombo.


Deal is off though if Hield is the one to fall to #6. They seem to love him.


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