This thread is a Safe space to hate the Warriors

[McBulls]

Like it or not, the Warriers are the future of the NBA, unless the 3 pt line is pushed back 2-3 ft and the sideline 3 is eliminated.

i remember Oscar Robertson was interviewed when the 3 pt line was first installed. He went on the court with a reporter, shot a few, and commented that the shot was out of range. And so it was for many years. But eventually players who had spent their entire lives practicing shooting it started showing up in the NBA. Players like Steve Kerr, who would not have gotten into the league without the ability to hit the shot reliably.

Now, we have a team that has become dominant in the NBA that relies on the 3 pt shot -- not as a specialty shot saved for desperate times or for the rare player that can make it reliably, but as part of a dynamic team strategy. I think it is a development that potentially frees basketball from repetitive use of the ultimately boring Stockton-Malone pick and roll play, which relies too heavily on the discretion of referees in deciding whether the pick is moving or the defense is too physical.

The pace and team play inherent Warriers basketball is entertaining and interesting to watch. I look forward to inevitable movement of the rest of the league in the same direction. The big O was wrong. The shot is not out of range, and it changes the game the way it was intended to when it was introduced.

[greenwing]

It's probably been mentioned but I'll post this anyway in case it has not been. This current Warriors team has now lost more games over the year with five playoff losses so far than the '95-'96 Bulls if you include the playoffs. Granted, that Bulls team had a first round matchup that was a best of five series. However, they were never down 3-1 in a playoff series to anyone.

[DuckIII]

It's probably been mentioned but I'll post this anyway in case it has not been. This current Warriors team has now lost more games over the year with five playoff losses so far than the '95-'96 Bulls if you include the playoffs. Granted, that Bulls team had a first round matchup that was a best of five series. However, they were never down 3-1 in a playoff series to anyone.

They also didn't have Michael Jordan miss 6 playoff games and take a couple of more games to work himself back in once he returned.

This hair splitting is silly. Each season stands on its own merit. The Warriors' season has nothing to do with the Bulls' season, and vice versa.

The only way this gets "resolved" is if the Warriors lose the Finals. That's it. Other than that, both seasons are sick remarkable and there's no reason to turn it into a competition.

[DarthDiggler69]

I dont know how anyone can hate the Warriors. Their franchise has been losing for like 40 years before the last 5 years, they havent changed much the way they played since the early 90's and they play the right way (energy, intensity, ball movement, good defense, efficient offense). So what if they jack up threes, they are awesome at it. And dont forget this style was predicted to be the future of the NBA as early as the early 90's. And its not like they win by jacking up threes, they are a very too defensive team. They play as a team and they play the right way.

Pace and space is only a trend, once the league gets saturated with shooters and the floor becomes superextended watch for the return of slashers to take advantage of the open lanes. I watched the NBA for 32+ years, the NBA is trendy, styles come and go and come back again.

[Red Larrivee]

It's probably been mentioned but I'll post this anyway in case it has not been. This current Warriors team has now lost more games over the year with five playoff losses so far than the '95-'96 Bulls if you include the playoffs. Granted, that Bulls team had a first round matchup that was a best of five series. However, they were never down 3-1 in a playoff series to anyone.

They also didn't have Michael Jordan miss 6 playoff games and take a couple of more games to work himself back in once he returned.

This hair splitting is silly. Each season stands on its own merit. The Warriors' season has nothing to do with the Bulls' season, and vice versa.

The only way this gets "resolved" is if the Warriors lose the Finals. That's it. Other than that, both seasons are sick remarkable and there's no reason to turn it into a competition.

Agreed.

A lot of the people who are bitter will look back in 10 years and appreciate this Warriors team. We may never see anything like it again. What Curry and Thompson did in Game 6 was nothing short of legendary.

[greenwing]

It's probably been mentioned but I'll post this anyway in case it has not been. This current Warriors team has now lost more games over the year with five playoff losses so far than the '95-'96 Bulls if you include the playoffs. Granted, that Bulls team had a first round matchup that was a best of five series. However, they were never down 3-1 in a playoff series to anyone.

They also didn't have Michael Jordan miss 6 playoff games and take a couple of more games to work himself back in once he returned.

This hair splitting is silly. Each season stands on its own merit. The Warriors' season has nothing to do with the Bulls' season, and vice versa.

The only way this gets "resolved" is if the Warriors lose the Finals. That's it. Other than that, both seasons are sick remarkable and there's no reason to turn it into a competition.

I'm not denying what the Warriors have accomplished is not an incredible feat. I do not, however, think they are better than the 72-10 Bulls. They don't pass the eye test in my opinion and stasticically they Bulls were better in their era than the Warriors are in the current one. I do think, however, that this iteration of the Warriors is a terrific team and they should be lauded for their accomplishments. As a Bulls fan, though, despite the regular season record being broken I am happy that the 72-10 team will have a better record overall for the entirety of the year than this Warriors team. Also, one can make an argument, whether fair or not, that the Warriors pushed themselves hard enough to chase the record that resulted in Curry's injury. Injuries are a part of the game whether we like it or not. And a team is judged historically on their overall performance, not necessarily on the likelihood of performance given a different set of circumstances.

[bbconair]

who cares what other people think? if you enjoy basketball the way it was meant to be played, the the warriors are a fun team to watch. nobody cares who the better team is.

also, the 90's weren't as great as we all like to think. there was a lot of weak teams. yes, physically the warriors woudn't have matched up well. shooting wise they wouldn't have matched up well. see what i did there?

[Mk0]

Like it or not, the Warriers are the future of the NBA, unless the 3 pt line is pushed back 2-3 ft and the sideline 3 is eliminated.

i remember Oscar Robertson was interviewed when the 3 pt line was first installed. He went on the court with a reporter, shot a few, and commented that the shot was out of range. And so it was for many years. But eventually players who had spent their entire lives practicing shooting it started showing up in the NBA. Players like Steve Kerr, who would not have gotten into the league without the ability to hit the shot reliably.

Now, we have a team that has become dominant in the NBA that relies on the 3 pt shot -- not as a specialty shot saved for desperate times or for the rare player that can make it reliably, but as part of a dynamic team strategy. I think it is a development that potentially frees basketball from repetitive use of the ultimately boring Stockton-Malone pick and roll play, which relies too heavily on the discretion of referees in deciding whether the pick is moving or the defense is too physical.

The pace and team play inherent Warriers basketball is entertaining and interesting to watch. I look forward to inevitable movement of the rest of the league in the same direction. The big O was wrong. The shot is not out of range, and it changes the game the way it was intended to when it was introduced.

McBulls continues to be my favorite poster on this forum. Thanks for this. You were missed when you took your last hiatus.

[kingkirk]

The Warriors only hit 9 3s tonight. The rest of their 34 field goals came from 2-point shots. They still won by 15 points despite Curry and Thompson being way off.

What ****.

[RedBulls23]

The Warriors only hit 9 3s tonight. The rest of their 34 field goals came from 2-point shots. They still won by 15 points despite Curry and Thompson being way off.

What ****.

Cavs defense is poor and not championship worthy. Warriors got so many easy buckets at the basket it was ridiculous.

If Klay and Steph could actually connect on their shots, it would have been a 15+ point lead at half-time.

[bbconair]

oh man, they won with 2-pointers! by cutting and passing and finding the open (undefended) man! change the rules!!!

[bledredwine]

Cavs and warriors average 40 pts each in the playoffs from 3-others alone. I personally can't stand seeing all of these 3 pt shots and I've felt this way since the rule changes in 99-2002. It reminds me of pickup games where everyone stays at the 3 pt line jacking up shots. Agreed w Hubie that it takes away from the cranial aspects of the game (think Kobe MJ Duncan their use of post game, how to defend that). It also takes away many beautiful shots and makes it tougher for guards to be crafty around the rim. I've been sick of the games rules shifting to guard-dominance and this series shows why. I say bring back hand checking, ban the 3 sec violation and all of this will eliminate these stupid drive-kicks and easy-to-overcome zone defenses. Call this old-man-rant but I just don't enjoy watching anymore and there was literally a five year period when I couldn't bare to watch until 2004 due to these changes. It still looks like guards are getting layups in transition, simply because they have no one to effectively stop them. Bring real defense back and the art of the lockdown defender. Two players on the Warriors regularly have games where they attempt 12 3-pters. That's ridiculous and a result of rules and roster allowing Kerr to design an offense that spaces defense sets picks + constantly rains 3's. Compared to the other greatest teams to grace this league (Celtics Pistons lakers Bulls etc), it annoying as hell to watch.

[bbconair]

can someone actually explain what a "beautiful shot" is? that's such a subjective statement. i think it's pretty amazing shot when someone (anyone) makes it from the logo, WHILE making it look effortless (as in not a heave). is it visually more appealing than doing a fadeaway turnaround with a hand in the face? maybe not, but it's a better basketball play.

do not disagree that open layup lines are annoying to watch.

and what's wrong with drive and kick? that's one of the most basic and simple plays you can run...also not sure what’s wrong with an "offense that spaces defense sets picks" sounds like pretty good fundamental basketball logic except you would rather they space the defense set picks and shoot a 2 pointer...right?

[johnnyvann840]

Cavs and warriors average 40 pts each in the playoffs from 3-others alone. I personally can't stand seeing all of these 3 pt shots and I've felt this way since the rule changes in 99-2002. It reminds me of pickup games where everyone stays at the 3 pt line jacking up shots. Agreed w Hubie that it takes away from the cranial aspects of the game (think Kobe MJ Duncan their use of post game, how to defend that)..

This is how I feel about it too. The games today just have this scrimmage/pick up game feel to them. EVEN playoff games. It's strange. I was watching some old Bulls 90's playoff games on NBATV and Classic and the thing that stands out the most is when you turn down the volume on the games... You can just FEEL the intensity of the play through the screen. When I turn the volume down on these playoff games today, it looks like a preseason game or like you put it, a scrimmage. Just has that loosey-goosey feeling to them. The volume thing seems silly but it's a great litmus test for how much of the drama and excitement is real and from the actual play or just broadcast and crowd generated. I agree with Hubie Brown and I'm really not sure how anyone over the age of 40, who actually was old enough to remember well, games in the 80's and 90's, can not see and FEEL the difference.

[Rerisen]

Cavs and warriors average 40 pts each in the playoffs from 3-others alone. I personally can't stand seeing all of these 3 pt shots and I've felt this way since the rule changes in 99-2002. It reminds me of pickup games where everyone stays at the 3 pt line jacking up shots. Agreed w Hubie that it takes away from the cranial aspects of the game (think Kobe MJ Duncan their use of post game, how to defend that)..

This is how I feel about it too. The games today just have this scrimmage/pick up game feel to them. EVEN playoff games. It's strange. I was watching some old Bulls 90's playoff games on NBATV and Classic and the thing that stands out the most is when you turn down the volume on the games... You can just FEEL the intensity of the play through the screen. When I turn the volume down on these playoff games today, it looks like a preseason game or like you put it, a scrimmage. Just has that loosey-goosey feeling to them. The volume thing seems silly but it's a great litmus test for how much of the drama and excitement is real and from the actual play or just broadcast and crowd generated. I agree with Hubie Brown and I'm really not sure how anyone over the age of 40, who actually was old enough to remember well, games in the 80's and 90's, can not see and FEEL the difference.

The perception is not just a function of three pointers attempted though, though that does space the game out more obviously, but just that its a much less physical game than 20 years ago. Not just the loss of hand check, or forearm in the back, but even cutting through the lane off ball, there is much less bumping of screeners and less physical play all around allowed.

[PaKii94]

Cavs and warriors average 40 pts each in the playoffs from 3-others alone. I personally can't stand seeing all of these 3 pt shots and I've felt this way since the rule changes in 99-2002. It reminds me of pickup games where everyone stays at the 3 pt line jacking up shots. Agreed w Hubie that it takes away from the cranial aspects of the game (think Kobe MJ Duncan their use of post game, how to defend that)..

This is how I feel about it too. The games today just have this scrimmage/pick up game feel to them. EVEN playoff games. It's strange. I was watching some old Bulls 90's playoff games on NBATV and Classic and the thing that stands out the most is when you turn down the volume on the games... You can just FEEL the intensity of the play through the screen. When I turn the volume down on these playoff games today, it looks like a preseason game or like you put it, a scrimmage. Just has that loosey-goosey feeling to them. The volume thing seems silly but it's a great litmus test for how much of the drama and excitement is real and from the actual play or just broadcast and crowd generated. I agree with Hubie Brown and I'm really not sure how anyone over the age of 40, who actually was old enough to remember well, games in the 80's and 90's, can not see and FEEL the difference.

I think you just nailed what i was feeling on the head. Years past I enjoyed the higher level intensity of playoff games. However, I just can't seem to get into them this year. The GSW-OKC series was the closest to intensity but that was lost too in game 7. Not saying GSW didn't deserve to win but the game doesn't have that feels anymore

[hellenicbull]

Cavs and warriors average 40 pts each in the playoffs from 3-others alone. I personally can't stand seeing all of these 3 pt shots and I've felt this way since the rule changes in 99-2002. It reminds me of pickup games where everyone stays at the 3 pt line jacking up shots. Agreed w Hubie that it takes away from the cranial aspects of the game (think Kobe MJ Duncan their use of post game, how to defend that)..

This is how I feel about it too. The games today just have this scrimmage/pick up game feel to them. EVEN playoff games. It's strange. I was watching some old Bulls 90's playoff games on NBATV and Classic and the thing that stands out the most is when you turn down the volume on the games... You can just FEEL the intensity of the play through the screen. When I turn the volume down on these playoff games today, it looks like a preseason game or like you put it, a scrimmage. Just has that loosey-goosey feeling to them. The volume thing seems silly but it's a great litmus test for how much of the drama and excitement is real and from the actual play or just broadcast and crowd generated. I agree with Hubie Brown and I'm really not sure how anyone over the age of 40, who actually was old enough to remember well, games in the 80's and 90's, can not see and FEEL the difference.

I agree as well, and I am so happy this farce of a season will be over soon. I will always support the Bulls, and will continue to watch them, but screw the rest of the NBA. For the first time in my life, I will switch to watching hockey next year as my main sport. I'm sick of this bull****

[League Circles]

I'm slowly realizing how great they are though despite my hatred of them (which isn't actually very strong - just don't like Curry and Draymond much but a number of their other guys I like a lot).

If teams want to beat this Warriors team this decade, they probably need to find a "Curry stopper". And that player, if anyone, would probably be somebody like Giannis Anten..........

We should trade for him...

[ChicagoChris]

the loosy goosy feel of the game is something I noticed too. though games often get that way in route to a blowout ala game 2.

I'm not going to bag on the warriors now though. sending lebron home from the finals with another loss will make them heroes to me. I hope they sweep him and his front running team stacking self. then he will probably try to join them in the off season and they will tell him nah.

[Am2626]

I hope the Warriors never win another championship again.

I hope Lebron never wins another championship again. That is unless he somehow plays for the Bulls.