Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[spikeslovechild]

If BC is gonna screw you of all your hard work, assets and time spent during this rebuilding process if I were you i'd just take a gun and end it.

BC is on a really short leash with me. I can get behind pretty much any plan as long as it's well thought out and makes sense.

This is a senseless trade. I have zero appetite to watch BC destroy another franchise brick-by-brick I'll watch something else or root for another team.

[76ciology]

Right now, there's not much perimeter players I want to deal Jah-Noel with.

And quite frankly, there are two tradeable guys I'd only like this team to target.

John wall and Jimmy Butler.

Both teams are in limbo or going nowhere and are a step away from rebuilding.

I'd rather hold unto Noel and overpay him. Than trading him for Teague.

[BullyKing]

If BC is gonna screw you of all your hard work, assets and time spent during this rebuilding process if I were you i'd just take a gun and end it.

BC is on a really short leash with me. I can get behind pretty much any plan as long as it's well thought out and makes sense.

This is a senseless trade. I have zero appetite to watch BC destroy another franchise brick-by-brick I'll watch something else or root for another team.

I'll just lose interest in the NBA like I did during the Doug Collins years.

[Sportfan73]

So what if Pompey is just an idiot and what really happened is they called about Noel for Teague and we said no thanks but we will give you Covington and Stauskas for him?

[KingKyrie1]

If BC is gonna screw you of all your hard work, assets and time spent during this rebuilding process if I were you i'd just take a gun and end it.

BC is on a really short leash with me. I can get behind pretty much any plan as long as it's well thought out and makes sense.

This is a senseless trade. I have zero appetite to watch BC destroy another franchise brick-by-brick I'll watch something else or root for another team.

It's unfair.
Noel can be a gamechanger on the right team, Teague is really mediocre, he has all the things going for him right now in order to thrive, he is surrounded by playmakers and shooters and he has yet to put up big numbers..
This trade can't happen..
On the other hand if Cle had Noel right now in the finals instead of TT he would have covered for stupid Irving defensive collapses and Loves inability to portect the rim.
Noel is the best perimeter defending big and can protect the rim with the best of them.

[pantalones]

I'm all for trading Noel, but this is a senseless deal. Trading for Schroeder makes some sense, but Teague shouldn't be this expensive. Hard to believe it's even true.

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Why shouldn't it be?

Top 10 PG
No real flaws as a PG.
Can play off as well as on the ball.
High BBIQ
Can run an offense
Can shoot the ball well
Is careful with the ball
Good passer.
Defends well especially 1v1.
Team player
Selfless, sometimes too selfless.
Good ball handler.
Very good footwork.
Improved every year.
Respected throughout NBA circles.
A silent leader.

The fact that you could get Teague for a package of Noel means Noel has very good value. Proven NBA players who aren't even in their prime yet are far from cheap.

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Off the top of my head:
Curry
Westbrook
CP3
Lowry
Wall
Irving
Kemba
Lillard
DRose
Reggie Jackson
Conley
Dragic
and Rubio
are all better than Teague. How is he top 10?

[ProcessDoctor]

A deal centered around Noel & Schroeder? Sure. Noel for Teague? No thanks. Makes no sense at all on our side.

[Att]

Even if he's top10, why does that matter?
He's a one year rental.

And if for some reason he decides to stay here, he'll be
1) severely overpaid
2) Far from his prime when the rest of our roster gets better.

This trade is senseless - The only that makes sense is that I've seen multiple trades like that bringing down the Toronto Raptors when BC was in charge there.

[Ericb5]

I think that there is a bit of denial going on with some people as to whether or not we need to make a trade. We do.

Either Okafor or Noel needs to be traded.

Some people are adamant that the one to go should be Okafor, and some people think that the one to go should be Noel, but one of them has to go. We also need SERIOUS help in our back court.

I know that BC has a reputation for making dumb shortsighted trades, and I am very suspicious of him still in this regard.

I also am less concerned about us hopping up onto the treadmill now that we have what I consider to be two franchise type talents in the fold with Simmons and Embiid. We got what we needed to get from the tank. Now we are moving on. I have a hard time believing(maybe I'M in denial actually ) that he would trade Noel for a 1 year rental of Teague.

However, just doing the value judgement as basketball players between the two, I am FINE with exchanging Noel for Teague.

Teague is about to turn 28, and not 32. He is in his prime, and over the next 5 years should be basically the same player. That is a very good NBA point guard. MUCH better than MCW, or even Holliday.

I have always believed in the BPA philosophy when drafting simply because you can always trade for need later. We NEED a player like Teague a lot more than we need Noel.

Noel is an asset, and has value to us, and to others, but eventually we will have to pay him. Now he may be worth the contract in a pure basketball value sense, but I'm not sure that he will be worth that value to us.

Kobble just pointed out that the Cavs paid Thompson for basically a role, but they wouldn't have done that if they had a player like Embiid in front of him. We have to recognize that Noel, has less potential than other players that we already have.

So if we can extend Teague today, for something less than obscene money, it is a move worth doing imo.

[Kobblehead]

This would be like the Jazz trading Rudy Gobert for George Hill.

[FlightBrothers]

You can have 2 chances to get this PG of the future in next year's draft if you don't do short sighted moves like this. Why rush it now.

[Att]

I think that there is a bit of denial going on with some people as to whether or not we need to make a trade. We do.

Either Okafor or Noel needs to be traded.

Some people are adamant that the one to go should be Okafor, and some people think that the one to go should be Noel, but one of them has to go. We also need SERIOUS help in our back court.

I know that BC has a reputation for making dumb shortsighted trades, and I am very suspicious of him still in this regard.

I also am less concerned about us hopping up onto the treadmill now that we have what I consider to be two franchise type talents in the fold with Simmons and Embiid. We got what we needed to get from the tank. Now we are moving on. I have a hard time believing(maybe I'M in denial actually ) that he would trade Noel for a 1 year rental of Teague.

However, just doing the value judgement as basketball players between the two, I am FINE with exchanging Noel for Teague.

Teague is about to turn 28, and not 32. He is in his prime, and over the next 5 years should be basically the same player. That is a very good NBA point guard. MUCH better than MCW, or even Holliday.

I have always believed in the BPA philosophy when drafting simply because you can always trade for need later. We NEED a player like Teague a lot more than we need Noel.

Noel is an asset, and has value to us, and to others, but eventually we will have to pay him. Now he may be worth the contract in a pure basketball value sense, but I'm not sure that he will be worth that value to us.

Kobble just pointed out that the Cavs paid Thompson for basically a role, but they wouldn't have done that if they had a player like Embiid in front of him. We have to recognize that Noel, has less potential than other players that we already have.

So if we can extend Teague today, for something less than obscene money, it is a move worth doing imo.

Teague won't be the same player in 5 years. His game is based on speed and father time takes that from you. We'll have to overpay him (he's not worth the Max!) and even then he probably won't sign with up.
We also can't rely on Simmons (haven't played a game in that level) or Embiid (for obvious reasons) - this is not the time to move up. We have to know what we have and get another top8 pick. I just can't see any plus side to this trade. It's ridiculous.

[MatthewGeigerII]

I'm all for trading Noel, but this is a senseless deal. Trading for Schroeder makes some sense, but Teague shouldn't be this expensive. Hard to believe it's even true.

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Why shouldn't it be?

Top 10 PG
No real flaws as a PG.
Can play off as well as on the ball.
High BBIQ
Can run an offense
Can shoot the ball well
Is careful with the ball
Good passer.
Defends well especially 1v1.
Team player
Selfless, sometimes too selfless.
Good ball handler.
Very good footwork.
Improved every year.
Respected throughout NBA circles.
A silent leader.

The fact that you could get Teague for a package of Noel means Noel has very good value. Proven NBA players who aren't even in their prime yet are far from cheap.

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Off the top of my head:
Curry
Westbrook
CP3
Lowry
Wall
Irving
Kemba
Lillard
DRose
Reggie Jackson
Conley
Dragic
and Rubio
are all better than Teague. How is he top 10?

on the trade board some hornets fan offered kemba for noel and nik ....

kemba would be cool lol.

but yeah teague would fit in everyone's list somewhere between where you have rose and rubio

[NekiEcko]

Well, Teague was plastered to the bench in the key moments of their playoff games this year.

Shot 38% from the field and 25% from 3 in the postseason. Didn't look good at all. With a year left on his deal, no idea why Atlanta would be able to sell high on him now.

Hawks fan here and I can answer that question for you.

During the playoffs, Dennis was playing better than Teague at that time, so Coach Bud would ride with the hot hand. But for a monetary sense, Dennis has one year left on his contact as well (RFA) and he has the vote of confidence that he can be the starter, so we have to trade Teague to ensure that we have some insurance that if Al Horford does go somewhere else that we have a plan in place.

I can understand that you guys don't like this trade but in my opinion, you need a vet presence in that locker room and have experience to mentor the young guys if he is not flip since there will be many teams would love his services during trading deadline. He can be a stop gap for the next great PG for your guys.

For us, we need a young Big that can rebound and play defense (the Cavs has shown us that we cant win if you don't rebound), plus we are not lucky with superstars or elite player playing for us and you guys have good bigs here.

[sixerswillrule]

Teague was a top 7-9 PG in 2015 but he dropped off a bit this season and some other PGs improved, putting him in the 12-14 range. Dragic and Rose weren't better though. Rose is below average at this point.

[Sixteen]

This ain't happening

[Skates]

The 'tanking crap' is overrated except for last year. Does anyone honestly think there was an immediate path to any kind of reasonable success after the Bynum and Moultrie deals emptied our coffers? Yes, last year should have seen the beginning of the uptick, but that got all screwed up by Embiid's foot being out of commission for a second year and some panic moves that followed.

But had we not tried to tank, how good would the team have been? At some point good enough to lose the first rounder we owed because of the Moultrie trade? Then to lose one to Orlando? To build around Jrue (look how well his career has gone), Spencer Hawes (at least he wears funny suits), Thad (must have been a bad man in a previous life to never even sniff a winning team in years) and the bust phase of Evan Turner? No picks to trade, only Jrue with any kind of real value (hey, look, he was an all-star once...once), picks owed outwards, not coming in, and oh yes, let's not forget, we swallowed JRich's deal in the Bynum trade to clog up our cap too.

Other than last year, how much better, really better, were any of those teams going to be? Minimal draft reinforcements, cap limitations and an unappealing team to FA's generally. So get over the tank bitching, the team was hoping to suck at a below mediocre level long term, scraping together short term moves in hopes of scratching out a playoff spot in the weak East at the time so that Miami could get our pick. Wow, how exciting that would have been, eh??

So now, we did a tear down, had one bad year (really, no one except other teams complained the first two years and people were pretty damned excited) and it was a very bad year, but the pieces and assets are in place to build a contender. Build a contender, that is what the pan was, not to build a decent playoff team, a contender. Bring in a vet if you like to help the young guys develop like they should have done last year (though no one is complaining about having the top pick in the draft, are they?), just don't pay assets for a guy to move you into the next level unless it is a guy who will be here long term.

Want to bring in structural guys/vets who aren't part of becoming a contender? Sure, great, do it. Overpay short term for vet FA's with something to prove, make small deals with guys like Grant or Holmes going out to bring players like that in. If you move Noel, you move him for a keeper piece.

Our stars and superstars are all going to be rookies or second year players. Yes, help them win, but you aren't becoming contenders for three years minimum with them, and contention should be in the form of an 8-10 minimum contention window, not a let's see if we can grab one ring one year thing. Trade Noel, trade Okafor, but bring back long term pieces that more closely fit the team's future as regards contracts and age, including a young defensive center who you can plug and play in case Embiid's foot blows up and because we know Okafor can't protect the rim. Make moves, just don't make stupid overpay moves, because once you get marked as weak asa GM, no one ever gives you a fair deal again.

This is just a rumor, so I don't hold it against BC, but I hate the rumor and will hate the deal as rumored. Noel and Covington for a one year rental knowing you have just cornered yourself into a massive overpay to keep the guy or risk having lost assets for nothing.

[BobThornton]

Well, Teague was plastered to the bench in the key moments of their playoff games this year.

Shot 38% from the field and 25% from 3 in the postseason. Didn't look good at all. With a year left on his deal, no idea why Atlanta would be able to sell high on him now.

Hawks fan here and I can answer that question for you.

During the playoffs, Dennis was playing better than Teague at that time, so Coach Bud would ride with the hot hand. But for a monetary sense, Dennis has one year left on his contact as well (RFA) and he has the vote of confidence that he can be the starter, so we have to trade Teague to ensure that we have some insurance that if Al Horford does go somewhere else that we have a plan in place.

I can understand that you guys don't like this trade but in my opinion, you need a vet presence in that locker room and have experience to mentor the young guys if he is not flip since there will be many teams would love his services during trading deadline. He can be a stop gap for the next great PG for your guys.

For us, we need a young Big that can rebound and play defense (the Cavs has shown us that we cant win if you don't rebound), plus we are not lucky with superstars or elite player playing for us and you guys have good bigs here.

Teague is fine if we were acquiring him for a late first. He's on a different time line than the rest of our core. No reason to burn a top asset on a 1 year rental. He should be dealt to a team that is trying to contend now. That ain't us.

[HartfordWhalers]

Want to bring in structural guys/vets who aren't part of becoming a contender? Sure, great, do it. Overpay short term for vet FA's with something to prove, make small deals with guys like Grant or Holmes going out to bring players like that in. If you move Noel, you move him for a keeper piece.

Our stars and superstars are all going to be rookies or second year players. Yes, help them win, but you aren't becoming contenders for three years minimum with them, and contention should be in the form of an 8-10 minimum contention window, not a let's see if we can grab one ring one year thing. Trade Noel, trade Okafor, but bring back long term pieces that more closely fit the team's future as regards contracts and age, including a young defensive center who you can plug and play in case Embiid's foot blows up and because we know Okafor can't protect the rim. Make moves, just don't make stupid overpay moves, because once you get marked as weak asa GM, no one ever gives you a fair deal again.

This is just a rumor, so I don't hold it against BC, but I hate the rumor and will hate the deal as rumored. Noel and Covington for a one year rental knowing you have just cornered yourself into a massive overpay to keep the guy or risk having lost assets for nothing.

Would definitely take Skates as GM.

[Sixerscan]

Teague was a top 7-9 PG in 2015 but he dropped off a bit this season and some other PGs improved, putting him in the 12-14 range. Dragic and Rose weren't better though. Rose is below average at this point.

Among pgs Teague was 16th in rpm last year and 34th this year.

Not that that's the be all end all, but I do think it's an indication that people overrate Teague because he was on a good team.