Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[Sixerscan]

Teague was a top 7-9 PG in 2015 but he dropped off a bit this season and some other PGs improved, putting him in the 12-14 range. Dragic and Rose weren't better though. Rose is below average at this point.

Among pgs Teague was 16th in rpm last year and 34th this year.

Not that that's the be all end all, but I do think it's an indication that people overrate Teague because he was on a good team.

I'm also not sure about the argument that he's better than jrue unless you are just saying that jrue can't stay healthy. I would take jrue in a second over Teague.

[Cru Thik]

Curry, Westbrook, CP3, Wall, Irving, Lillard

Then everyone else is in the same boat for me.

[Ericb5]

I think that there is a bit of denial going on with some people as to whether or not we need to make a trade. We do.

Either Okafor or Noel needs to be traded.

Some people are adamant that the one to go should be Okafor, and some people think that the one to go should be Noel, but one of them has to go. We also need SERIOUS help in our back court.

I know that BC has a reputation for making dumb shortsighted trades, and I am very suspicious of him still in this regard.

I also am less concerned about us hopping up onto the treadmill now that we have what I consider to be two franchise type talents in the fold with Simmons and Embiid. We got what we needed to get from the tank. Now we are moving on. I have a hard time believing(maybe I'M in denial actually ) that he would trade Noel for a 1 year rental of Teague.

However, just doing the value judgement as basketball players between the two, I am FINE with exchanging Noel for Teague.

Teague is about to turn 28, and not 32. He is in his prime, and over the next 5 years should be basically the same player. That is a very good NBA point guard. MUCH better than MCW, or even Holliday.

I have always believed in the BPA philosophy when drafting simply because you can always trade for need later. We NEED a player like Teague a lot more than we need Noel.

Noel is an asset, and has value to us, and to others, but eventually we will have to pay him. Now he may be worth the contract in a pure basketball value sense, but I'm not sure that he will be worth that value to us.

Kobble just pointed out that the Cavs paid Thompson for basically a role, but they wouldn't have done that if they had a player like Embiid in front of him. We have to recognize that Noel, has less potential than other players that we already have.

So if we can extend Teague today, for something less than obscene money, it is a move worth doing imo.

Teague won't be the same player in 5 years. His game is based on speed and father time takes that from you. We'll have to overpay him (he's not worth the Max!) and even then he probably won't sign with up.
We also can't rely on Simmons (haven't played a game in that level) or Embiid (for obvious reasons) - this is not the time to move up. We have to know what we have and get another top8 pick. I just can't see any plus side to this trade. It's ridiculous.

I totally agree that he isn't worth the max, but I don't agree that his game is abnormally quickness based, or that he would be significantly less quick at 32-33.

We have the Lakers pick and the Kings swap for next year so we don't NEED to be bad ourselves.

Let's just take the optimistic tack that says that Embiid plays well and stays healthy, and Simmons comes in and plays well. Even with Teague, and those things happening, we still probably won't win more than 30-32 games, which is still a top 8 pick anyway.

[PhilasFinest]

Man, "No deal is imminent" and yet we have 20 pages of people going crazy emo, locking themselves in bathrooms with sharp objects.

It's a rumor. RELAX.

[Sportfan73]

The way brett talked about Jah yesterday I do think it makes it imminent that it will be Noel that is traded.

[PhillyRocks1]

I'm putting this at 30% on the bull crap meter.

My guess. Some rumor from his agent to drum up interest before FA hits.

[Samson]

It's not that I have any personal problem with Jeff Freaking Teague, I want to make that clear.

But the Colangelos are going to ruin this franchise -- this is exactly the type of thing that it does.

After "A Three Year Tour" like Gilligan's Tank Island of Terribleness -- Papa Boss of All Bosses Colangelo hijacks Hinkie's plan, process, and position, he acts like a total snake when he leaks Hinkie's letter of resignation (which I agree was a ridiculous letter, ridiculous way to resign, ridiculousness all over, people have said Hinkie has an inane desire to prove he's always the smartest guy in the room, and that letter is perfectly placed evidence of same.) and then he gets rid of Hinkie specifically for his son -- but says "I had nothing to do with hiring my son!"

And now we're trading Nerlens Noel for Jeff Freaking Teague.


Come on now, Colangelos. These freaking guys.


* and just to point out, I am of the opinion we should keep everyone and at least see what happens with everyone together, you never know who will play best with whom and how what will work out until you see it and see all angles. BUT, say we were to trade Okafor for #2 Lakers, I am all fine with Simmons and Ingram with Embiid and Noel , that would be great. I just don't see how veritably dumping pretty much our best player the last 2 years for Jeff Freaking Teague does anything but make the Colangelos feel like bosses.

[tk76]

Curry, Westbrook, CP3, Wall, Irving, Lillard

Then everyone else is in the same boat for me.

Yeah. You can argue about one guy versus another... but regardless, Teague is a second tier starting PG whether you rank him #8 or #16. Which is not in itself a terrible thing as Noel most likely projects to be a similar tier C. But the proposed deal becomes crap when you look at age and contract situation, and what this type of deal represents.

[King Ken]

I'm all for trading Noel, but this is a senseless deal. Trading for Schroeder makes some sense, but Teague shouldn't be this expensive. Hard to believe it's even true.

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Why shouldn't it be?

Top 10 PG
No real flaws as a PG.
Can play off as well as on the ball.
High BBIQ
Can run an offense
Can shoot the ball well
Is careful with the ball
Good passer.
Defends well especially 1v1.
Team player
Selfless, sometimes too selfless.
Good ball handler.
Very good footwork.
Improved every year.
Respected throughout NBA circles.
A silent leader.

The fact that you could get Teague for a package of Noel means Noel has very good value. Proven NBA players who aren't even in their prime yet are far from cheap.

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Off the top of my head:
Curry
Westbrook
CP3
Lowry
Wall
Irving
Kemba
Lillard
DRose
Reggie Jackson
Conley
Dragic
and Rubio
are all better than Teague. How is he top 10?

D. Rose. Clearly no
Dragic and Walker, no
Jackson and Rubio, hell no.

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[King Ken]

I think that there is a bit of denial going on with some people as to whether or not we need to make a trade. We do.

Either Okafor or Noel needs to be traded.

Some people are adamant that the one to go should be Okafor, and some people think that the one to go should be Noel, but one of them has to go. We also need SERIOUS help in our back court.

I know that BC has a reputation for making dumb shortsighted trades, and I am very suspicious of him still in this regard.

I also am less concerned about us hopping up onto the treadmill now that we have what I consider to be two franchise type talents in the fold with Simmons and Embiid. We got what we needed to get from the tank. Now we are moving on. I have a hard time believing(maybe I'M in denial actually ) that he would trade Noel for a 1 year rental of Teague.

However, just doing the value judgement as basketball players between the two, I am FINE with exchanging Noel for Teague.

Teague is about to turn 28, and not 32. He is in his prime, and over the next 5 years should be basically the same player. That is a very good NBA point guard. MUCH better than MCW, or even Holliday.

I have always believed in the BPA philosophy when drafting simply because you can always trade for need later. We NEED a player like Teague a lot more than we need Noel.

Noel is an asset, and has value to us, and to others, but eventually we will have to pay him. Now he may be worth the contract in a pure basketball value sense, but I'm not sure that he will be worth that value to us.

Kobble just pointed out that the Cavs paid Thompson for basically a role, but they wouldn't have done that if they had a player like Embiid in front of him. We have to recognize that Noel, has less potential than other players that we already have.

So if we can extend Teague today, for something less than obscene money, it is a move worth doing imo.

Teague won't be the same player in 5 years. His game is based on speed and father time takes that from you. We'll have to overpay him (he's not worth the Max!) and even then he probably won't sign with up.
We also can't rely on Simmons (haven't played a game in that level) or Embiid (for obvious reasons) - this is not the time to move up. We have to know what we have and get another top8 pick. I just can't see any plus side to this trade. It's ridiculous.

His game is based on versatility. That's what Jeff is. He's quick, but I don't think even think he is quicker than Ish

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[Kobblehead]

Jeff Teague is another guy that gets to the rim at will (35% of his attempts for his career) and can't finish (sub-60%).

[PhilasFinest]

I think no matter what type of trade we end up doing, its a going to be a lose lose in the fans eyes.

I feel like we as fans are sometimes overly attached to our own players and have a perceived value of what we think should be the return for our players, which may not be the case in the actual NBA.

Other GM's are sitting back, watching this situation and it can't be good for us in terms of value. They know we need to move somebody, and can hold it above our heads and call our bluff.

[mksp]

I think no matter what type of trade we end up doing, its a going to be a lose lose in the fans eyes.

I feel like we as fans are sometimes overly attached to our own players and have a perceived value of what we think should be the return for our players, which may not be the case in the actual NBA.

I mean, ATL fans sure don't seem to have a problem with the value here.

[Los5782]

http://cavaliers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Cavs-PG-Kyrie-Irving-would-rather-play-somewhere-else-44002234

there has been long ongoing rumors of Kyrie being unhappy in Cleveland, slightly OT, but if we did make a move, Kyrie would be 1000x better than Teague imo. If the Cavs get knocked out in the Finals again, especially this year when they're at full strength, there's a good change there's a shakeup of their roster.

[Sportfan73]

http://cavaliers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Cavs-PG-Kyrie-Irving-would-rather-play-somewhere-else-44002234

there has been long ongoing rumors of Kyrie being unhappy in Cleveland, slightly OT, but if we did make a move, Kyrie would be 1000x better than Teague imo. If the Cavs get knocked out in the Finals again, especially this year when they're at full strength, there's a good change there's a shakeup of their roster.

I think they would try to go kyrie for cp3

[King Ken]

I think no matter what type of trade we end up doing, its a going to be a lose lose in the fans eyes.

I feel like we as fans are sometimes overly attached to our own players and have a perceived value of what we think should be the return for our players, which may not be the case in the actual NBA.

I mean, ATL fans sure don't seem to have a problem with the value here.

Not hyped on trading Teague, I mean, he's our best PG by a mile but we got two PG's and we need talent in other positions. We don't have a big off the bench who's as good as Noel. Not one. Some fans in our base are mad but far more are like me. This is the value we must get for Jeff or just keep him.

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[King Ken]

Jeff Teague is another guy that gets to the rim at will (35% of his attempts for his career) and can't finish (sub-60%).

Jeff drives to create for others but he can also finish. He's no Isaiah Thomas but he finishes well for a PG, much better than Dennis.

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[Sundown]

I think no matter what type of trade we end up doing, its a going to be a lose lose in the fans eyes.

I feel like we as fans are sometimes overly attached to our own players and have a perceived value of what we think should be the return for our players, which may not be the case in the actual NBA.

I mean, ATL fans sure don't seem to have a problem with the value here.

Because it's a great deal for them.

Atlanta is precisely the type of team that Hinkie supporters wanted to avoid becoming. They've reach their ceiling in terms of competitiveness, they know they are not good enough, but they don't have the salary structure or the draft position to easily improve. They're stuck. So the best they can do is look to make lopsided deals with bad franchises. Say hello to Bryan Colangelo.

The Sixers should have all the leverage in this deal. The Hawks need to make this deal for Teague with someone, SOON. They absolutely aren't going to pay him the money he'll command next year as a FA. That's why these same rumors around their PGs surfaced at the trade deadline last year. A Colangelo was probably behind those too. Jerry prioritized bringing in a vet PG and we saw Hinkie make the only questionable trade I've seen from him -- renting Ish Smith for half a year at the cost of a high 2nd round pick. Now the Sixers are looking to pay an even higher price for another rental. I see a pattern.

Sure, the Sixers have a decision to make with Noel. But it is FAR less dire. As a RFA, he's a controllable asset that teams should covet now and at the deadline, not just because of his talent but because he's on a rookie deal that they can squeeze into their cap (before it goes up) while retaining his bird-rights and RFA status. Combine that with the money they'll have in free agency when the cap goes up and it's a nice shot in the arm for any team that has limited growth opportunities.

[Kobblehead]

I mean, ATL fans sure don't seem to have a problem with the value here.

Because they're making out like thieves and pawning off a player they're trying to replace!

[the_process]

I think no matter what type of trade we end up doing, its a going to be a lose lose in the fans eyes.

I feel like we as fans are sometimes overly attached to our own players and have a perceived value of what we think should be the return for our players, which may not be the case in the actual NBA.

I mean, ATL fans sure don't seem to have a problem with the value here.

Not hyped on trading Teague, I mean, he's our best PG by a mile but we got two PG's and we need talent in other positions. We don't have a big off the bench who's as good as Noel. Not one. Some fans in our base are mad but far more are like me. This is the value we must get for Jeff or just keep him.

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If this is the value you need to get, then you need to keep Teague and get Schröder even more disgruntled.

I have to assume this rumor is ATL trying to build a market for Teague. No one can seriously be dumb enough to trade Noel for FA to be Teague.