Thank Nation! Raptors Pick 9th (PART 5)

[God Squad]

Ellenson is fine at 9.

Not for us IMO.

[MavCarter]

Ellenson is fine at 9.

If you dont like defense

[Lukeem]

Just looking back a couple drafts last year I think Winslow was the only one that was expected to be top 8 that dropped with kaminsky rising


Year before Stauskas rose vonleh dropped

Year before no one really and that was a pretty poor top group

Year before Ross and waiters rose. Drummond dropped

Jan vessly rose kemba dropped

It does put us in an interesting spot this year. There's been some rumours of bender dropping a bit doubt he falls to us but maybe with in trading range.

If he does pan out anywhere close to his potential he could be best player in draft and best fit.

I would be trying to trade up to 3 to get him if it's at all possible / reasonable

[Clutch0z24]

Ellenson is fine at 9.

No

[Clutch0z24]

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Just Rewatching this brings back Memories ...Damn we are kind of like the Pistons had a good team with a high pick...Obv Pistons in a way better spot at 2...But ofc they passed up on Melo,Wade,Bosh Gotta hurt.

[omar36]

Ellenson is fine at 9.

he is the most safe pick, no real risk and u can get a solid player.

but, imo we need to go for someoone that can become a star and thats skal/davis.
i just see ellenson as a kaminsky type, a solid player but less potential then others.

[Brinbe]

Haters.

Ellenson is an okay defender. He gets undue hate on here because he's white.
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[T-d0t]

Really hope we don't draft ellenson...just think he doesn't have that high of a potential, at best I think he's a Meyers Leonard type of player...don't see him having a high ceiling. Would rather draft skal of the top 8 holds

you have nothing to worry about LOL

What makes you say that ?

Just doesn't seem like a player Masai would draft.

[super_balls]

Haters.

Ellenson is an okay defender. He gets undue hate on here because he's white.

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Or its because hes terribly slow, lacks explosiveness and struggles guarding on the perimeter and inside. Dude has the heaviest feet in the NCAA, he will get blown by every guard in the NBA. Pick n Roll defense is the biggest need in the NBA. Why do you think no matter how good JV is, Biyombo played those minutes down the stretch. Highlights are highlights (does not show deficiencies) and not to mention his inconsistency at shooting.

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[T-d0t]

The prospect thread vote seems to suggest Chriss is the clear favorite on this board. As usual, I'm in the minority and voted Korkmaz. lol. I swear I never like the same player as most of you guys. I don't mind Chriss though. I may have him ahead of the other PF prospects.

Korkmaz is my pick for steal of the draft.

[Brinbe]

Or its because hes terribly slow, lacks explosiveness and struggles guarding on the perimeter and inside. Dude has the heaviest feet in the NCAA, he will get blown by every guard in the NBA. Pick n Roll defense is the biggest need in the NBA. Why do you think no matter how good JV is, Biyombo played those minutes down the stretch. Highlights are highlights (does not show deficiencies) and not to mention his inconsistency at shooting.

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He's not terribly slow, he's 7 foot, 240 lbs. What the hell do you expect? He's actually not bad for his size. He'll drop some weight, and be a better athlete once you get him in the gym. Lowry transformed himself over a summer, and Ellenson can do the same.

And no question that the NBA is a steep learning curve for a big man. Biyombo and JV needed years to develop but Ellenson isn't some lost cause, he's only 19 years old! And the advanced stats say he's not as bad as people like to think.

He's certainly shown way more from outside than guys like Skal or Davis ever showed in college, but I bet ppl think they can improve on that in the league, right? The double standards are embarrassing around here.

[super_balls]

Or its because hes terribly slow, lacks explosiveness and struggles guarding on the perimeter and inside. Dude has the heaviest feet in the NCAA, he will get blown by every guard in the NBA. Pick n Roll defense is the biggest need in the NBA. Why do you think no matter how good JV is, Biyombo played those minutes down the stretch. Highlights are highlights (does not show deficiencies) and not to mention his inconsistency at shooting.

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He's not terribly slow, he's 7 foot, 240 lbs. What the hell do you expect? He's actually not bad for his size. He'll drop some weight, and be a better athlete once you get him in the gym. Lowry transformed himself over a summer, and Ellenson can do the same.

And no question that the NBA is a steep learning curve for a big man. Biyombo and JV needed years to develop but Ellenson isn't some lost cause, he's only 19 years old! And the advanced stats say he's not as bad as people like to think.

He's certainly shown way more from outside than guys like Skal or Davis ever showed in college, but I bet ppl think they can improve on that in the league, right? The double standards are embarrassing around here.

Come on man.. You can't teach athleticism. Lowry was a crazy athlete in college. He tore his ACL was still dunking at 6'0 feet tall. You can't expect to lose a couple pounds and automatically be able to run like the gazelles in the NBA. Doesn't work that way. Show me your advance stats that say he's alright defensively. At best he can become a Scola on defense, learn how to use his strength and positioning once he develops but against the faster 4s. He'll be a pylon, let's be real here.

[Totem]

I'd rather draft potle over Henry to be honest. Potle moves better and gives you some defence at least.

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[CoachJReturns]

Or its because hes terribly slow, lacks explosiveness and struggles guarding on the perimeter and inside. Dude has the heaviest feet in the NCAA, he will get blown by every guard in the NBA. Pick n Roll defense is the biggest need in the NBA. Why do you think no matter how good JV is, Biyombo played those minutes down the stretch. Highlights are highlights (does not show deficiencies) and not to mention his inconsistency at shooting.

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He's not terribly slow, he's 7 foot, 240 lbs. What the hell do you expect? He's actually not bad for his size. He'll drop some weight, and be a better athlete once you get him in the gym. Lowry transformed himself over a summer, and Ellenson can do the same.

And no question that the NBA is a steep learning curve for a big man. Biyombo and JV needed years to develop but Ellenson isn't some lost cause, he's only 19 years old! And the advanced stats say he's not as bad as people like to think.

He's certainly shown way more from outside than guys like Skal or Davis ever showed in college, but I bet ppl think they can improve on that in the league, right? The double standards are embarrassing around here.

Come on man.. You can't teach athleticism. Lowry was a crazy athlete in college. He tore his ACL was still dunking at 6'0 feet tall. You can't expect to lose a couple pounds and automatically be able to run like the gazelles in the NBA. Doesn't work that way. Show me your advance stats that say he's alright defensively. At best he can become a Scola on defense, learn how to use his strength and positioning once he develops but against the faster 4s. He'll be a pylon, let's be real here.

Agreed. You can make small increases to speed, vertical jump etc. through training, but you can't go from a stiff to a solid athlete. Unless you're really overweight and are simply out of shape with a weak heart, you're not going to move a great deal quicker.

[super_balls]

He's not terribly slow, he's 7 foot, 240 lbs. What the hell do you expect? He's actually not bad for his size. He'll drop some weight, and be a better athlete once you get him in the gym. Lowry transformed himself over a summer, and Ellenson can do the same.

And no question that the NBA is a steep learning curve for a big man. Biyombo and JV needed years to develop but Ellenson isn't some lost cause, he's only 19 years old! And the advanced stats say he's not as bad as people like to think.

He's certainly shown way more from outside than guys like Skal or Davis ever showed in college, but I bet ppl think they can improve on that in the league, right? The double standards are embarrassing around here.

Come on man.. You can't teach athleticism. Lowry was a crazy athlete in college. He tore his ACL was still dunking at 6'0 feet tall. You can't expect to lose a couple pounds and automatically be able to run like the gazelles in the NBA. Doesn't work that way. Show me your advance stats that say he's alright defensively. At best he can become a Scola on defense, learn how to use his strength and positioning once he develops but against the faster 4s. He'll be a pylon, let's be real here.

Agreed. You can make small increases to speed, vertical jump etc. through training, but you can't go from a stiff to a solid athlete. Unless you're really overweight and are simply out of shape with a weak heart, you're not going to move a great deal quicker.

It's funny because he was 265 coming into Marquette and lost 15-20 pounds. Dude is still slow AF.

[canballer]

Ellenson has the potential to be a real good player. The offensive skills he has demonstrated as a 19 year old freshman big are unquestionable. I think that his shooting form will certainly allow him to extend out to 3 and add some consistency.

With that being said, he is a bad pick for this team. He will be neither BPA (in my opinion) nor a good fit for this team. His defensive limitations are evident. As is being discussed above, much of those limitations are athletic in nature and unlikely to improve significantly. His upside on defense is an average to slightly below average P&R defender and potentially a slightly above average help and post defender. Not what this team wants or needs.

[omar36]

The prospect thread vote seems to suggest Chriss is the clear favorite on this board. As usual, I'm in the minority and voted Korkmaz. lol. I swear I never like the same player as most of you guys. I don't mind Chriss though. I may have him ahead of the other PF prospects.

Korkmaz is my pick for steal of the draft.

yup, in the right situation, he can have a booker like impact with his shooting..

id say, denver will go after him, he would be a good fit there aseptically with mudiay and his shooting problems. .

[TheGoodDoctor]

Ellenson has cinderblocks for feet and the 3pt shooting percentage of a young DeMar.

#nof'ingthanks

[RaptorsLife]

Elllinson sucks. Would be a waste of a Draft pick.