Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[King Ken]

I mean, ATL fans sure don't seem to have a problem with the value here.

Not hyped on trading Teague, I mean, he's our best PG by a mile but we got two PG's and we need talent in other positions. We don't have a big off the bench who's as good as Noel. Not one. Some fans in our base are mad but far more are like me. This is the value we must get for Jeff or just keep him.

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If this is the value you need to get, then you need to keep Teague and get Schröder even more disgruntled.

I have to assume this rumor is ATL trying to build a market for Teague. No one can seriously be dumb enough to trade Noel for FA to be Teague.

Atlanta don't put out rumors.

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[Winejk]

Drafting Jahlil Okafor has set this team down a path of despair and darkness.


FML.

LOL. I just had an image of Okafor dressed up as Darth Vader wielding a light saber while walking into the arena and cleaning house.

[PhilasFinest]

I think no matter what type of trade we end up doing, its a going to be a lose lose in the fans eyes.

I feel like we as fans are sometimes overly attached to our own players and have a perceived value of what we think should be the return for our players, which may not be the case in the actual NBA.

I mean, ATL fans sure don't seem to have a problem with the value here.

Because it's a great deal for them.

Atlanta is precisely the type of team that Hinkie supporters wanted to avoid becoming. They've reach their ceiling in terms of competitiveness, they know they are not good enough, but they don't have the salary structure or the draft position to easily improve. They're stuck. So the best they can do is look to make lopsided deals with bad franchises. Say hello to Bryan Colangelo.

The Sixers should have all the leverage in this deal. The Hawks need to make this deal for Teague with someone, SOON. They absolutely aren't going to pay him the money he'll command next year as a FA. That's why these same rumors around their PGs surfaced at the trade deadline last year. A Colangelo was probably behind those too. Jerry prioritized bringing in a vet PG and we saw Hinkie make the only questionable trade I've seen from him -- renting Ish Smith for half a year at the cost of a high 2nd round pick. Now the Sixers are looking to pay an even higher price for another rental. I see a pattern.

Sure, the Sixers have a decision to make with Noel. But it is FAR less dire. As a RFA, he's a controllable asset that teams should covet now and at the deadline, not just because of his talent but because he's on a rookie deal that they can squeeze into their cap (before it goes up) while retaining his bird-rights and RFA status. Combine that with the money they'll have in free agency when the cap goes up and it's a nice shot in the arm for any team that has limited growth opportunities.

I am not advocating for this deal, but am just trying to spin the conversation in the other direction.

I keep hearing we don't wanna be the Hawks. Sure thats true to an extent, but we also have a lot young talent with upside across the board.
Joel Embiid
Jahlil Okafor
Ben Simmons/Brandon Ingram
Dario Saric
2 1st rounders via Mia/OKC
2017 Draft pick w/ swap rights via Sac
Lakers future #1
Kings Future #1
ETC.


What if the presence of a good, still semi- young experienced veteran PG is a shot in the arm for all of that talent?
What if it helps elevate the rest of the talent on the roster? If a journeyman Ish Smith can come in and make Noel/Okafor look better, What if someone like Teague can take them to another level?

If Noel truly isn't in the teams long term plans and moving him for a deal around Teague helps 1-2 of the pieces reach their potential....Does this deal look better?

[Winejk]

Why are people so against "overpaying" for Noel on his next contract? He's on a historical DBPM trajectory. Even as a back-up, he'll be playing 25-30 minutes a night. It's not like that money will be going to waste.

The Cavs are paying $17 mill per for a rebounding specialist. That trait is that important for an interior player.

Protecting the rim is equally important for an interior player. With Embiid and Noel, we protect the rim for 60 minutes a night. I'm fine with paying a premium for a positional necessity like a big that protects the rim at the level Noel does.

Trading him for a dime a dozen, nearly 30 year old PG is just an awful, illogical move, any way you slice it. Amplified with the fact that said player would cost double Nerlens Noel on his next contract.

Paying $17 million is ridiculous for a rebounding specialist. If that's the case, where is Reggie Evans? Someone will sign him for $17 million.

I hate the idea of playing 4 against 5 on offense. OKC has two all world players with Durant and Westbrook, but because nobody else on the team is a dependable scorer or can create any shots, they have to rely on isolation ball. Meanwhile, San Antonio and GSW have a whole lineup of guys that can hurt you if they are left open. That's why passing and spreading the ball around works. Both those teams are made up of two way players.

I'm ok with one way or specialist players if they are paid accordingly and coming off the bench. Noel is going to want a contract $20+ million when he's eligible, and if I'm paying somebody that much, he'd better be a two way player. Noel and Thompson are not two way players.

[Skates]

Not hyped on trading Teague, I mean, he's our best PG by a mile but we got two PG's and we need talent in other positions. We don't have a big off the bench who's as good as Noel. Not one. Some fans in our base are mad but far more are like me. This is the value we must get for Jeff or just keep him.

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If this is the value you need to get, then you need to keep Teague and get Schröder even more disgruntled.

I have to assume this rumor is ATL trying to build a market for Teague. No one can seriously be dumb enough to trade Noel for FA to be Teague.

Atlanta don't put out rumors.

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The Sixers have been rumor central since JC arrived, and continue to be with BC in charge. It is one of the reasons the media trip over themselves in loving on him.

As an aside on the media, every time I read something by Smallwood (not just Sixers) he seems to be the most self-contradictory idjit out there.

[Kobblehead]

Noel's offensive impact was capsized by the jumpshot failure. If he didn't waste all of those possessions trying to implement that, he would have fared much better in that regard. He developed into one of the better finishers in the NBA and was pretty apt at running the pick and roll.

No problem giving him $15-18 mil per.

Just wait until you see lesser players get just as much in the wild wild west of this new market.

[Winejk]

You can have 2 chances to get this PG of the future in next year's draft if you don't do short sighted moves like this. Why rush it now.

Yes, that is true.

However, if you wait until next year's draft to acquire a PG, what will you do this upcoming season? You can't run out Canaan and McConnel as your starters and lose a whole year of development for Okafor, Embiid and presumably Simmons. That is a huge consideration for me.

Even if the Sixers get a PG in next year's draft, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if he had a mentor. And the mentor is at least added depth to a roster that still needs as many quality players as possible. The mentor might also become good trade bait.

[the_process]

The Sixers have been rumor central since JC arrived, and continue to be with BC in charge. It is one of the reasons the media trip over themselves in loving on him.

As an aside on the media, every time I read something by Smallwood (not just Sixers) he seems to be the most self-contradictory idjit out there.

No, I know it came from Bryan... I just can't believe he is this dumb. My brain cannot comprehend it. So I have to attribute it to something else so it makes sense.

Pompey is also known for just making things up.

[ProcessDoctor]

http://cavaliers.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Cavs-PG-Kyrie-Irving-would-rather-play-somewhere-else-44002234

there has been long ongoing rumors of Kyrie being unhappy in Cleveland, slightly OT, but if we did make a move, Kyrie would be 1000x better than Teague imo. If the Cavs get knocked out in the Finals again, especially this year when they're at full strength, there's a good change there's a shakeup of their roster.

The article is a bit old, but this would be the ideal scenario IMO. Kyrie is a STUD and great fit on our team. A big 3 of Kyrie/Simmons/Embiid would be insane. Like another poster said, I think CLE would want CP3, but I'm not sure LAC is ready to give up on their core yet (honestly, they should considering the lack of success they've had together).

[PhilasFinest]

Noel's offensive impact was capsized by the jumpshot failure. If he didn't waste all of those possessions trying to implement that, he would have fared much better in that regard. He developed into one of the better finishers in the NBA and was pretty apt at running the pick and roll.

No problem giving him $15-18 per.

Just wait until you see lesser players get just as much in the wild wild west of this new market.

I don't think its the $$$ that people are worried about, nor the player.

I think people are simply hitched to the idea that 1 of Embiid/Okafor will develop into a star 20-10 center, making Noel expendable.

If we were to extend Noel at 15-18M per, what happens with Embiid/Okafor?

[PhilasFinest]

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/catchshoot/?sort=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3_PCT&dir=1&CF=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3A*G*100&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals

Teague excelled in catch and shoot situations last season. Im guessing this is something we could be looking for in a PG to pair with Simmons

[Kobblehead]

I don't think its the $$$ that people are worried about, nor the player.

I think people are simply hitched to the idea that 1 of Embiid/Okafor will develop into a star 20-10 center, making Noel expendable.

If we were to extend Noel at 15-18M per, what happens with Embiid/Okafor?

Honestly, I'm not even taking Okafor into account with any of my long-term projections. I think he should be shipped out because he doesn't do either of the two things that matters most for interior players (rebound and protect the rim). Icing without the cake.

In regards to Embiid, he was only playing 23-25ish minutes before the back and foot issues rose. I can't imagine him being a 30+ minute guy early on (if ever). We're always going to need a 1B starter with Embiid, IMO. Which is why I have no problem paying Noel franchise building block money. I think he's actually going to be functioning in a role indicative of that label.

[Hardcore6erFan]

I would do Noel and #26 for Teague, #21, and Wolves 2018 1st 1-14 protected. But only if no lottery teams are interested in Noel.

[PhilasFinest]

I don't think its the $$$ that people are worried about, nor the player.

I think people are simply hitched to the idea that 1 of Embiid/Okafor will develop into a star 20-10 center, making Noel expendable.

If we were to extend Noel at 15-18M per, what happens with Embiid/Okafor?

Honestly, I'm not even taking Okafor into account with any of my long-term projections. I think he should be shipped out because he doesn't do either of the two things that matters most for interior players (rebound and protect the rim). Icing without the cake.

In regards to Embiid, he was only playing 23-25ish minutes before the back and foot issues rose. I can't imagine him being a 30+ minute guy early on (if ever). We're always going to need a 1B starter with Embiid, IMO. Which is why I have no problem paying Noel franchise building block money. I think he'll actually play that role.

I agree with this and if your moving Okafor, 100% makes sense.

If BC and co choose to keep Jahlil though, I don't see it happening in regards to keeping Noel and paying him.

[Kobblehead]

That's why I'm hoping this is just voluntary misdirection to heat up the seat on Okafor trade partners.

Trading Noel rids us of our safest and most reliable big. If Embiid medically busts and Okafor has another metrically repulsive season where he's exposed at the rim and on the boards, we go from three Cs to zero in one fell swoop.

[eagereyez]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/06/03/dissecting-the-jeff-teague-for-nerlens-noel-rumor/

It seems like the vast majority of us here agree that this is a **** trade. Derek does a good job of dissecting why it's a **** trade.

[King Ken]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/06/03/dissecting-the-jeff-teague-for-nerlens-noel-rumor/

It seems like the vast majority of us here agree that this is a **** trade. Derek does a good job of dissecting why it's a **** trade.

Derek did a **** job. He didn't really say anything positive about Jeff or his game. Then he framed the positives of Noel in the same tense. It was a fairly one sided article.

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[Skin]

Not hyped on trading Teague, I mean, he's our best PG by a mile but we got two PG's and we need talent in other positions. We don't have a big off the bench who's as good as Noel. Not one. Some fans in our base are mad but far more are like me. This is the value we must get for Jeff or just keep him.

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If this is the value you need to get, then you need to keep Teague and get Schröder even more disgruntled.

I have to assume this rumor is ATL trying to build a market for Teague. No one can seriously be dumb enough to trade Noel for FA to be Teague.

Atlanta don't put out rumors.

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Yeah, why would ATL spread this rumor? They are getting a good deal. This is probably PHI saying, "Hey if you want Noel, you have to beat this Jeff Teague offer!"

Which also means Philly is probably not getting the offers they hoped for after saying Okafor and Noel are on the block.

[King Ken]

If this is the value you need to get, then you need to keep Teague and get Schröder even more disgruntled.

I have to assume this rumor is ATL trying to build a market for Teague. No one can seriously be dumb enough to trade Noel for FA to be Teague.

Atlanta don't put out rumors.

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Yeah, why would ATL spread this rumor? They are getting a good deal. This is probably PHI saying, "Hey if you want Noel, you have to beat this Jeff Teague offer!"

Which also means Philly is probably not getting the offers they hoped for after saying Okafor and Noel are on the block.

Once again, Atlanta don't put out rumors.

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[HartfordWhalers]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/06/03/dissecting-the-jeff-teague-for-nerlens-noel-rumor/

It seems like the vast majority of us here agree that this is a **** trade. Derek does a good job of dissecting why it's a **** trade.

Derek did a **** job. He didn't really say anything positive about Jeff or his game. Then he framed the positives of Noel in the same tense. It was a fairly one sided article.

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One sided, you say? Sorry, I just fell out of my chair laughing.