2016 draft thread: Part 2

[NewWolvesOrder]

If Dunn does land here, what do you guys think will happen with Rubio?

We gift wrap him to Utah probably

I would not advise it for you guys, but it's what I'm hoping for. Hypothetically, if Rubio was to be moved, would you guys be seeking out a player or a pick?

What color ribbon would you like on your Ricky box, sir? But on a more serious note a salary dump and protected 2nd will do it.

[jscott]

3 hours ago – via Twitter
John Gambadoro: Hearing Providence point guard Kris Dunn wants to go to Minnesota, will not work out for Phoenix or share medical records.

[theGreatRC]

We gift wrap him to Utah probably

I would not advise it for you guys, but it's what I'm hoping for. Hypothetically, if Rubio was to be moved, would you guys be seeking out a player or a pick?

What color ribbon would you like on your Ricky box, sir? But on a more serious note a salary dump and protected 2nd will do it.

A salary dump & protected second would do it? Am I in another dimension?

[Takingbaconback]

No point trading him for a 2nd round pick and salary dump, just bring Rubio off the bench until better offer comes by. I also see no reason for Utah to trade for Rubio seeing they already have Exum and Mack.

[Murphs56]

Just keep Rubio and Dunn. Highly highly doubt the gift wrap him to a division rival only to make our road to the playoffs more difficult. If we had both of them we would have 48 minutes of quality point guard minutes with one guy who is the ultimate floor general entering his prime and the other a guy who can attack the paint.

It never goes that smoothly.

[Takingbaconback]

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Don't think they wanted Dunn anyways lol

[jpatrick]

Interesting that Ford's new mock has Bender available at 5 and us passing for Murray. Also has Chriss going 4, maybe his momentum is for real.

[andyhop]

If Dunn does land here, what do you guys think will happen with Rubio?

Continue as the starter with Dunn off the bench and defy the long term plan for Dunn to replace him by making that idea look stupid with how much better he is than Dunn

[Mattya]

Just keep Rubio and Dunn. Highly highly doubt the gift wrap him to a division rival only to make our road to the playoffs more difficult. If we had both of them we would have 48 minutes of quality point guard minutes with one guy who is the ultimate floor general entering his prime and the other a guy who can attack the paint.

It never goes that smoothly.

Based on?

[Takingbaconback]

If Dunn does land here, what do you guys think will happen with Rubio?

Continue as the starter with Dunn off the bench and defy the long term plan for Dunn to replace him by making that idea look stupid with how much better he is than Dunn

More like start the season with a plan of having Rubio start for at least a year, then getting benched for Dunn after all star break.

[Murphs56]

Just keep Rubio and Dunn. Highly highly doubt the gift wrap him to a division rival only to make our road to the playoffs more difficult. If we had both of them we would have 48 minutes of quality point guard minutes with one guy who is the ultimate floor general entering his prime and the other a guy who can attack the paint.

It never goes that smoothly.

Based on?

Well you'll have 3 guards that will fully expect to play 30 plus minutes a night in Rubio/LaVine/Dunn. Satisfying all 3 including who starts and who closes seems like a controversy and distraction waiting to happen. It may work for a short time, but someone will likely become frustrated with their playing time and role. It was last summer that Chad Ford reported that Rubio's handlers requested a trade. While Rubio publicly denied this, imo where there's smoke, there's fire. If the Wolves draft Dunn, I have a hard time believing there won't be more chatter this summer.

[Mattya]

It never goes that smoothly.

Based on?

Well you'll have 3 guards that will fully expect to play 30 plus minutes a night in Rubio/LaVine/Dunn. Satisfying all 3 including who starts and who closes seems like a controversy and distraction waiting to happen. It may work for a short time, but someone will likely become frustrated with their playing time and role. It was last summer that Chad Ford reported that Rubio's handlers requested a trade. While Rubio publicly denied this, imo where there's smoke, there's fire. If the Wolves draft Dunn, I have a hard time believing there won't be more chatter this summer.

There are enough minutes at the guard spots that all three could play 32 minutes. We would have Rubio for 3 more years, LaVine is a restricted free agent in 2 more years, and Dunn would be under contract for 4 years. We would have the same problem if we drafting Murray or Hield as well. So unless you are saying the Wolves shouldn't draft any of them, it just doesn't make much sense to me.

[KqWIN]

I'm don't think the Jazz do this, but just for fun let's say the Jazz offer up #12 and your choice of Trey Burke or Shelvin Mack.

[Mattya]

Can't imagine the Wolves doing that. It needs more value

[Murphs56]

Based on?

Well you'll have 3 guards that will fully expect to play 30 plus minutes a night in Rubio/LaVine/Dunn. Satisfying all 3 including who starts and who closes seems like a controversy and distraction waiting to happen. It may work for a short time, but someone will likely become frustrated with their playing time and role. It was last summer that Chad Ford reported that Rubio's handlers requested a trade. While Rubio publicly denied this, imo where there's smoke, there's fire. If the Wolves draft Dunn, I have a hard time believing there won't be more chatter this summer.

There are enough minutes at the guard spots that all three could play 32 minutes. We would have Rubio for 3 more years, LaVine is a restricted free agent in 2 more years, and Dunn would be under contract for 4 years. We would have the same problem if we drafting Murray or Hield as well. So unless you are saying the Wolves shouldn't draft any of them, it just doesn't make much sense to me.

I see your point. I just feel that if Thibs is using the #5 overall pick on a Point guard when there are very good shooters on the board, it tells me he feels Dunn is someone he can mold into an elite 2 way player and he won't be a backup for very long. Rubio is 2 regimes removed at this point. Nobody really knows if Thibs feel Rubio is his point guard of the future or not. We'll find out.

[Klomp]

Heaven forbid our franchise actually has depth...get rid of it, because we don't want someone's ego to be bruised because he's gettig paid millions of dollars for playing a game for only 25 minutes a night instead of 30.

[Mattya]

Well you'll have 3 guards that will fully expect to play 30 plus minutes a night in Rubio/LaVine/Dunn. Satisfying all 3 including who starts and who closes seems like a controversy and distraction waiting to happen. It may work for a short time, but someone will likely become frustrated with their playing time and role. It was last summer that Chad Ford reported that Rubio's handlers requested a trade. While Rubio publicly denied this, imo where there's smoke, there's fire. If the Wolves draft Dunn, I have a hard time believing there won't be more chatter this summer.

There are enough minutes at the guard spots that all three could play 32 minutes. We would have Rubio for 3 more years, LaVine is a restricted free agent in 2 more years, and Dunn would be under contract for 4 years. We would have the same problem if we drafting Murray or Hield as well. So unless you are saying the Wolves shouldn't draft any of them, it just doesn't make much sense to me.

I see your point. I just feel that if Thibs is using the #5 overall pick on a Point guard when there are very good shooters on the board, it tells me he feels Dunn is someone he can mold into an elite 2 way player and he won't be a backup for very long. Rubio is 2 regimes removed at this point. Nobody really knows if Thibs feel Rubio is his point guard of the future or not. We'll find out.

I understand preferring shooters, but I think we can try to address that through other trades or free agent signings. Buddy is tougher fit than Dunn by minute distribution. You are either playing LaVine at point guard with Buddy, or playing Buddy at small forward with LaVine at shooting guard in some rotations. Neither of those sound like great ideas to me unless Buddy can improve a lot defensively. Murray has potential to play both guard spots, but he looks very questionable defensively and he has to improve a lot as a facilitator. I think Dunn has a better chance of improving his outside shot than Murray has of improving his passing and defense or Hield does of becoming a defender or bigger wings. Not saying any of those are impossible, I would just bet on Dunn being able to improve enough to be a respectable shooter from three.

It is totally possible drafting Dunn means trading Rubio, but I could absolutely see Thibs liking both and playing both together with their defensive potential together.

[Klomp]

Former Friars point guard God Shammgod, who played 20 seasons professionally and is currently on Providence’s coaching staff, has trained Dunn throughout his collegiate career and expects him to be superstar in the NBA.

“I’m biased, but I really think he’s a first-pick-caliber player. I think Kris can be a guy who makes 13 to 14 All-Star appearances,” Shammgod told Basketball Insiders. “He’s so talented on both ends of the floor and he does the little things that people don’t notice too. He throws the advance pass as well as any player I’ve seen since Jason Kidd. That may not jump out to others, but little things like that separate him from other players. With his game, leadership and personality, he’s a face-of-the-franchise type of player. He’s the guy you want to build a team around. Not only is he a great player, he’s a great leader and great person off the court. Everyone loves who he is and loves his personality. When he sits down with NBA executives, they’re going to be impressed.”

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-kris-dunn-excited-for-draft-process/

[andyhop]

If Dunn does land here, what do you guys think will happen with Rubio?

Continue as the starter with Dunn off the bench and defy the long term plan for Dunn to replace him by making that idea look stupid with how much better he is than Dunn

More like start the season with a plan of having Rubio start for at least a year, then getting benched for Dunn after all star break.

Even Sam wouldn't be stupid enough to do that

[Note30]

Former Friars point guard God Shammgod, who played 20 seasons professionally and is currently on Providence’s coaching staff, has trained Dunn throughout his collegiate career and expects him to be superstar in the NBA.

“I’m biased, but I really think he’s a first-pick-caliber player. I think Kris can be a guy who makes 13 to 14 All-Star appearances,” Shammgod told Basketball Insiders. “He’s so talented on both ends of the floor and he does the little things that people don’t notice too. He throws the advance pass as well as any player I’ve seen since Jason Kidd. That may not jump out to others, but little things like that separate him from other players. With his game, leadership and personality, he’s a face-of-the-franchise type of player. He’s the guy you want to build a team around. Not only is he a great player, he’s a great leader and great person off the court. Everyone loves who he is and loves his personality. When he sits down with NBA executives, they’re going to be impressed.”

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-kris-dunn-excited-for-draft-process/

Kind of sad that this guy who has a move named after him and is widely regarded as one of the best ball handlers of all time never even played in the NBA.