Portland - 2016 Offseason

[Wizenheimer]

I thought he got $just under $5mil.

he was signed using the max available in the bi-annual exception. Last year that was 2.077 million

[DusterBuster]

LOL Austin Rivers probably thinks he's a max player too.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised. The kid definitely got some respect from me in that Clippers series and he may actually be a good 3rd guard/defensive stopper for Portland, but I think he's expecting a 10+ mil per year offer. Nuts to that for a kid who really can't shoot.

[PDXKnight]

Contract aside I do have massive respect for austin rivers after the clippers series. I'd be happy to have him come off the bench if we could somehow get him for a reasonable deal.

[PTPaQ]

On the Indiana board I mentioned a trade involving Plumlee + Crabbe (S&T) for George Hill + CJ Miles and either a future 1st or whomever they selected at #20 this year (if we like the prospecet).

The deal would be contingent on:
1. Indiana moving on to another point guard.
2. Indiana losing Mahinmi.
3. We like the prospect they seleceted at #20 in the draft this year, or get a future 1st. I'm not ast optimistic about the value of this trade without getting a pick thrown in.

Why?
1. Indiana keeps young, solid building blocks with George and Turner.
2. We lose promising youngsters, so this is more of a "win-now" transaction to coincide with a bigger move or two. It would only be appreciated if we pulled a Horford/Dwight/Gasol.
3. Gives us a pesky defensive PG/SG combo off of the bench, and keeps spacing alive with their 3 point shooting.

[cucad8]

On the Indiana board I mentioned a trade involving Plumlee + Crabbe (S&T) for George Hill + CJ Miles and either a future 1st or whomever they selected at #20 this year (if we like the prospecet).

The deal would be contingent on:
1. Indiana moving on to another point guard.
2. Indiana losing Mahinmi.
3. We like the prospect they seleceted at #20 in the draft this year, or get a future 1st. I'm not ast optimistic about the value of this trade without getting a pick thrown in.

Why?
1. Indiana keeps young, solid building blocks with George and Turner.
2. We lose promising youngsters, so this is more of a "win-now" transaction to coincide with a bigger move or two. It would only be appreciated if we pulled a Horford/Dwight/Gasol.
3. Gives us a pesky defensive PG/SG combo off of the bench, and keeps spacing alive with their 3 point shooting.

We trade our starting C for bench players? I'm never a huge fan of deals like that. Between Lillard and CJ logging time at the 1, Hill just isn't a need at all. Especially at the expense of Plumlee.

[PTPaQ]

On the Indiana board I mentioned a trade involving Plumlee + Crabbe (S&T) for George Hill + CJ Miles and either a future 1st or whomever they selected at #20 this year (if we like the prospecet).

The deal would be contingent on:
1. Indiana moving on to another point guard.
2. Indiana losing Mahinmi.
3. We like the prospect they seleceted at #20 in the draft this year, or get a future 1st. I'm not ast optimistic about the value of this trade without getting a pick thrown in.

Why?
1. Indiana keeps young, solid building blocks with George and Turner.
2. We lose promising youngsters, so this is more of a "win-now" transaction to coincide with a bigger move or two. It would only be appreciated if we pulled a Horford/Dwight/Gasol.
3. Gives us a pesky defensive PG/SG combo off of the bench, and keeps spacing alive with their 3 point shooting.

We trade our starting C for bench players? I'm never a huge fan of deals like that. Between Lillard and CJ logging time at the 1, Hill just isn't a need at all. Especially at the expense of Plumlee.

Come on man lol, Plumlee is a starter by default, he would probably only start on about 5 teams. I also stated it would be contingent on us upgrading the Center position through FA.

Lillard can slide to the 2 when Hill subs in for CJ, then of course Hill remains at the 1 when CJ comes back in for Lillard. He is a perfect compliment to both.

[Epicurus]

The probability is quite high that Plumlee next season will be significantly better than this season's edition. Judging his worth as a starter not based upon probable improvement is fortunately what NO will not do.

[PTPaQ]

The probability is quite high that Plumlee next season will be significantly better than this season's edition. Judging his worth as a starter not based upon probable improvement is fortunately what NO will not do.

Possibly, but I wouldnt say probably. I don't see Plumlee having a very high ceiling and might be near capped out. If that turns out to be the case we will regret not cashing out more when we had the chance.

[tester551]

Come on man lol, Plumlee is a starter by default, he would probably only start on about 5 teams. I also stated it would be contingent on us upgrading the Center position through FA.

Lillard can slide to the 2 when Hill subs in for CJ, then of course Hill remains at the 1 when CJ comes back in for Lillard. He is a perfect compliment to both.

I love the idea of Hill, but I think your deal is too big. It will not work as constructed since no other players can be included with the RFA in a S&T.

But Crabbe (S&T) for Hill works for me. Sign me up!

[Blazinaway]

The probability is quite high that Plumlee next season will be significantly better than this season's edition. Judging his worth as a starter not based upon probable improvement is fortunately what NO will not do.

I just don't agree with that stmt, I think Plumlee is a lot closer to his ceiling then he is to improving significantly

[twame brown]

This is a combination of trades ideas posted by others. What do you all think if this happened?

Trade 1
Sign and trade Crabbe to OKC for Ibaka and Singler

Trade 2
Cleveland cavaliers 1st round pick and Plumlee for Greg Monroe

Trade 3
Aminu and future 2nd round pick to Sacramento for Koufos and 2016 1st pick, 8th overall

Draft
Jaylen Brown slips to 8th

Free Agents
Resign Harkless 4 years 45 million
Resign Henderson 4 years 35 million
Resign Meyers to a 1 year 8 million tryout
Sign vet PG

Lillard/Vet FA
CJ/Henderson/Montero or Connaughton
Harkless/Jaylen Brown/Singler
Ibaka/Davis/Vonleh
Monroe/Koufos/Meyers



This lineup of Ibaka and Monroe would hopefully give us what we need by way of shotblocking and post scoring. Koufos would be a solid backup center and resigning Meyers to a trial deal (he might find free agency cold for him). We lose aminu but go full swing with harkless at SF and a developmental prospect in jaylon brown (who could also play some backup 2). Singler could hopefully turn his game around with stotts and be a serviceable shooter.

Does this lineup make us better or worse?

[zzaj]

This is a combination of trades ideas posted by others. What do you all think if this happened?

Trade 1
Sign and trade Crabbe to OKC for Ibaka and Singler

Trade 2
Cleveland cavaliers 1st round pick and Plumlee for Greg Monroe

Trade 3
Aminu and future 2nd round pick to Sacramento for Koufos and 2016 1st pick, 8th overall

Draft
Jaylen Brown slips to 8th

Free Agents
Resign Harkless 4 years 45 million
Resign Henderson 4 years 35 million
Resign Meyers to a 1 year 8 million tryout
Sign vet PG

Lillard/Vet FA
CJ/Henderson/Montero or Connaughton
Harkless/Jaylen Brown/Singler
Ibaka/Davis/Vonleh
Monroe/Koufos/Meyers



This lineup of Ibaka and Monroe would hopefully give us what we need by way of shotblocking and post scoring. Koufos would be a solid backup center and resigning Meyers to a trial deal (he might find free agency cold for him). We lose aminu but go full swing with harkless at SF and a developmental prospect in jaylon brown (who could also play some backup 2). Singler could hopefully turn his game around with stotts and be a serviceable shooter.

Does this lineup make us better or worse?

Portland gives up:

Plumlee/Aminu/Crabbe/CLE 1st/Future 2nd rounder

for

Ibaka/Monroe/#8/Koufos/Singler

I'd say Portland may be the luckiest team in the league. I honestly don't think any portion of your plan is feasible, except maybe that Jaylen Brown falls to #8.

[Jsun947]

This is a combination of trades ideas posted by others. What do you all think if this happened?

Trade 1
Sign and trade Crabbe to OKC for Ibaka and Singler

Trade 2
Cleveland cavaliers 1st round pick and Plumlee for Greg Monroe

Trade 3
Aminu and future 2nd round pick to Sacramento for Koufos and 2016 1st pick, 8th overall

Draft
Jaylen Brown slips to 8th

Free Agents
Resign Harkless 4 years 45 million
Resign Henderson 4 years 35 million
Resign Meyers to a 1 year 8 million tryout
Sign vet PG

Lillard/Vet FA
CJ/Henderson/Montero or Connaughton
Harkless/Jaylen Brown/Singler
Ibaka/Davis/Vonleh
Monroe/Koufos/Meyers



This lineup of Ibaka and Monroe would hopefully give us what we need by way of shotblocking and post scoring. Koufos would be a solid backup center and resigning Meyers to a trial deal (he might find free agency cold for him). We lose aminu but go full swing with harkless at SF and a developmental prospect in jaylon brown (who could also play some backup 2). Singler could hopefully turn his game around with stotts and be a serviceable shooter.

Does this lineup make us better or worse?

Why not add in Davis for Cousins, Harkless for Lebron, and Montero for Giannis while you're at it. You'd have to have a lot of black mail to hold over those three organizations to get the deals you're proposing.

[twame brown]

This is a combination of trades ideas posted by others. What do you all think if this happened?

Trade 1
Sign and trade Crabbe to OKC for Ibaka and Singler

Trade 2
Cleveland cavaliers 1st round pick and Plumlee for Greg Monroe

Trade 3
Aminu and future 2nd round pick to Sacramento for Koufos and 2016 1st pick, 8th overall

Draft
Jaylen Brown slips to 8th

Free Agents
Resign Harkless 4 years 45 million
Resign Henderson 4 years 35 million
Resign Meyers to a 1 year 8 million tryout
Sign vet PG

Lillard/Vet FA
CJ/Henderson/Montero or Connaughton
Harkless/Jaylen Brown/Singler
Ibaka/Davis/Vonleh
Monroe/Koufos/Meyers



This lineup of Ibaka and Monroe would hopefully give us what we need by way of shotblocking and post scoring. Koufos would be a solid backup center and resigning Meyers to a trial deal (he might find free agency cold for him). We lose aminu but go full swing with harkless at SF and a developmental prospect in jaylon brown (who could also play some backup 2). Singler could hopefully turn his game around with stotts and be a serviceable shooter.

Does this lineup make us better or worse?

Why not add in Davis for Cousins, Harkless for Lebron, and Montero for Giannis while you're at it. You'd have to have a lot of black mail to hold over those three organizations to get the deals you're proposing.

Outside of the Crabbe for Ibaka trade, both of those trades have been posted on the trade boards by fans of other teams. I agree, if all of those were to go down it would be a great offseason, but I think in a vacuum they aren't that far off.

Crabbe is exactly what OKC needs, a 3 and D wing that can actually shoot. Sure they could go the vet FA route, but they won't be able to get an upgrade like Crabbe without giving up something. Ibaka has regressed this year under their new regime and is an expiring contract. Plus getting out of singlers salary is also value added for them. Maybe give them Vonleh for additional value?

Plumlee and a 1st seems plausible for a player their team seems desperate to hit the reset button on.

The aminu for Koufos and 8th was purposed by one of their fans.

[Downtown]

If Portland could keep Lillard and McCollum and get both Monroe and Ibaka for whoever else on the roster that's a coup that isn't realistic. To also get the #8 pick overall besides is beyond unrealistic.

Sorry.

[Matt800]

Is Monroe even good? I remember MIL being relevant, and then they got Monroe and weren't relevant. But I haven't followed him or that team much.

[PTPaQ]

Yeah, I'm against anything Monroe.

[zzaj]

This is a combination of trades ideas posted by others. What do you all think if this happened?

Trade 1
Sign and trade Crabbe to OKC for Ibaka and Singler

Trade 2
Cleveland cavaliers 1st round pick and Plumlee for Greg Monroe

Trade 3
Aminu and future 2nd round pick to Sacramento for Koufos and 2016 1st pick, 8th overall

Draft
Jaylen Brown slips to 8th

Free Agents
Resign Harkless 4 years 45 million
Resign Henderson 4 years 35 million
Resign Meyers to a 1 year 8 million tryout
Sign vet PG

Lillard/Vet FA
CJ/Henderson/Montero or Connaughton
Harkless/Jaylen Brown/Singler
Ibaka/Davis/Vonleh
Monroe/Koufos/Meyers



This lineup of Ibaka and Monroe would hopefully give us what we need by way of shotblocking and post scoring. Koufos would be a solid backup center and resigning Meyers to a trial deal (he might find free agency cold for him). We lose aminu but go full swing with harkless at SF and a developmental prospect in jaylon brown (who could also play some backup 2). Singler could hopefully turn his game around with stotts and be a serviceable shooter.

Does this lineup make us better or worse?

Why not add in Davis for Cousins, Harkless for Lebron, and Montero for Giannis while you're at it. You'd have to have a lot of black mail to hold over those three organizations to get the deals you're proposing.

Crabbe is exactly what OKC needs, a 3 and D wing that can actually shoot. Sure they could go the vet FA route, but they won't be able to get an upgrade like Crabbe without giving up something. Ibaka has regressed this year under their new regime and is an expiring contract. Plus getting out of singlers salary is also value added for them. Maybe give them Vonleh for additional value?

Well, part of the problem is calling Crabbe a "3 and D" player. He shoots 3s pretty well, and was a little more consistent this year...but he's not a good defender. Even though he would seem to have the length for it, he also seems to have a passive mentality and has average to below average BBIQ on both sides of the ball.

Outside of Stotts' system I would expect his 3pt % to fall a bit and he'd quickly look considerably worse as a prospect.

If Olshey could turn Crabbe and Vonleh into Ibaka (and his bird rights)? It would pretty much christen him the Patron Saint of Trailblazers, as Serge is the exact right kind of player the Blazers need at the PF position next to Lillard.

[Epicurus]

The probability is quite high that Plumlee next season will be significantly better than this season's edition. Judging his worth as a starter not based upon probable improvement is fortunately what NO will not do.

I just don't agree with that stmt, I think Plumlee is a lot closer to his ceiling then he is to improving significantly

With another season with basically the same players, Plumlee's assist to turnovers will improve significantly. His free throw shooting which improved considerably during the season will also probably improve for the whole of next season. I suspect this lad from the home of the great jump shooting, Indiana, will also work diligently on his 10-15 jump shot. I hope he also spends the offseason on the very simple arm extension (rather than the present dipsy doddle) lay ins. Plumlee is also at an age where center types take off.
Another season with the same team also holds promise of quicker defensive slides and more use of his strengths to create disruptions, deflections, and even interceptions.

[Jsun947]

I think it's debatable if Monroe would be a better player on this roster than Ed Davis. Monroe is not a good rebounder and pretty miserable defender.

On top of that Monroe only has 1 guaranteed year left on his contract when we have Davis signed longer for significantly less.

Monroe as a starter for this team would be miserable.