Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[Easymoney]

Hield is so overrated it is laughable at this point. He is going to flame out of the league after his rookie deal.

Hield is not overrated when spotting up for open 3's. He'll be getting at least 5-7 open looks a night between Simmons and Jah.

You don't trade Nerlens Noel for a skill you can get from Hollis Thompson.

You don't trade Nerlens Noel for a one-dimensional 22-year old when that one dimension is something that is available for far less capital.

Yes, you trade Nerlens Noel for a kid who shot 45% from 3 in college and 88% from the free throw line. Do you not understand that this guy will get 5-7 open looks a game with Okafor and Simmons on the floor?

Let's say you run a 3ball lineup of Okafor/Saric/Simmons/Hield/Stauskas? You got 2 guys who will need to be doubled and 3 guys who can hit an open 3.

Let's say you run a lineup of Embiid/Saric/Simmons/Hield/Stauskas?

If we can trade Noel straight up for Hield, plus draft wisely next year, we'd be able to space the floor and dominate the paint

[BobThornton]

lol @ attempting to use advanced stats to support Okafor

Thought I seen it all lol.

A question APBRmetricians have grappled with for years: How exactly should we deal with high-volume scorers?

Former ESPN Director of Production Analytics (and current Sacramento Kings Director of Analytics and Player Personnel) Dean Oliver devoted an entire chapter (titled The Problem With Scorers) in his seminal book “Basketball on Paper” to the issues involved in statistically evaluating players who perform what seems the most essential of on-court acts: putting the ball in the basket. Although he determined that per-possession efficiency was the best measure of a team’s offensive prowess and developed equivalent efficiency metrics for individual players, Oliver also posited that a player’s offensive efficiency was prone to changes based on how much of a scoring workload he took on.

That theory, which has largely been borne out by subsequent studies, implies that a player’s efficiency numbers aren’t even close to being all his own — and that, crucially, high scorers represent the group most centrally affected by such interplay between teammates. Furthermore, raw scoring ability may suggest heightened potential even after controlling for a player’s actual rookie production. If you run a regression attempting to predict a rookie’s remaining career WAR from his first-year statistics, the second-most important predictor (though dwarfed by the effect of his age-adjusted rookie WAR itself) is usage rate, a measure of how frequently a player was called on for scoring attempts within his team’s offense, regardless of their success.

The idea that scoring and athleticism speak volumes about potential in a way that can’t be captured by rookie-season value metrics goes a long way toward explaining the gulf between subjective reputation and the numbers.

[Slacktard]

On a side note, I'm not sure I like the sound of "shopping Noel and Okafor to 15 teams." Let teams call you, don't call them. You lose leverage that way. Coming off what desperate and whatnot.

get used to it with this front office

Went from Hinkie to almost the exact opposite. One exec who kept things more secret than a CIA op and didn't care what the press thought of him. The other super concerned about his public perception with an intense need to leak rumors to both maintain media relationships and show he is "working hard on player acquisitions".

That's not even getting to opposite views on future draft picks, youth, and defense vs offense

[76thBearCub]

Yea I dont like the way this is playing out at all. If we had Hinkie Id be very excited to see what happened this summer.


With BC Im going to need to get on xanax before the offseason and probably zoloft after.

[timLH]

I think you guys just compare Okafor to KAT too much. KAT is the first one in history to have such ridiculous performance in his rookie season.
To me, Okafor had a B+ rookie season if KAT had a A+. You are expecting too much from Okafor, after all, he is just a 20 y/o rookie.
Give Okafor sometime to workout and improve, please.

[PhilasFinest]

I think you guys just compare Okafor to KAT too much. KAT is the first one in history to have such ridiculous performance in his rookie season.
To me, Okafor had a B+ rookie season if KAT had a A+. You are expecting too much from Okafor, after all, he is just a 20 y/o rookie.
Give Okafor sometime to workout and improve, please.

I don't think its comparing them....I think people just generally see some things that are concerning for a big man that your looking to build around.

He played poor defense and rebounded poorly. You'd like to get at least 1 of the 2 coming from a big.

[rzzzzz]

on the Sixers, Nerlens is the back-up center, with a year left on his rookie contract.

OK4 has 3 years left on his rookie contract. his flexibility on the offensive end makes it possible for him to share the court with Embiid. Brett just said that OK4 can develop into a dominant player like the famous bigs with San Antonio.

we're going to trade one of them. (maybe both eventually, but Hinkie called OK4 "insurance".)

[marcush]

on the Sixers, Nerlens is the back-up center, with a year left on his rookie contract.

OK4 has 3 years left on his rookie contract. his flexibility on the offensive end makes it possible for him to share the court with Embiid. Brett just said that OK4 can develop into a dominant player like the famous bigs with San Antonio.

we're going to trade one of them. (maybe both eventually, but Hinkie called OK4 "insurance".)

Who is Noel backing up though? Okafor cant defend the centre and Embiid is on an indefinite minute restriction, if he gets on the court at all.

Noel is the starter at centre until Jah learns to play defence or until foot transplants become possible.

[timLH]

I think you guys just compare Okafor to KAT too much. KAT is the first one in history to have such ridiculous performance in his rookie season.
To me, Okafor had a B+ rookie season if KAT had a A+. You are expecting too much from Okafor, after all, he is just a 20 y/o rookie.
Give Okafor sometime to workout and improve, please.

I don't think its comparing them....I think people just generally see some things that are concerning for a big man that your looking to build around.

He played poor defense and rebounded poorly. You'd like to get at least 1 of the 2 coming from a big.

Bu...but he has similar if not better defense stats than Noel; and only grab 1.1 less rebounds than Noel this season. While I do agree that Noel is also not an elite rebounder.

[mtron929]

I don't get why the Sixers would be interested in Teague. If you are trading Noel (and I think you should), why not try to get a 1st round pick back? Basically, you guys have accumulated a lot of young talented players but there is no guarantee that any of them will be superstars. So you should accumulate more young talents in the hopes that one of them will pan out. On the other hand, we absolutely know that Teague will not be a superstar in this league. So why settle when you are in a superstar search mode? Finally, can't you just sign someone who is a decent PG (e.g. J. Lin) and overpay him such that you are not losing assets?

I just don't get why you would need a 28 year old PG.

[timLH]

I don't get why the Sixers would be interested in Teague. If you are trading Noel (and I think you should), why not try to get a 1st round pick back? Basically, you guys have accumulated a lot of young talented players but there is no guarantee that any of them will be superstars. So you should accumulate more young talents in the hopes that one of them will pan out. On the other hand, we absolutely know that Teague will not be a superstar in this league. So why settle when you are in a superstar search mode? Finally, can't you just sign someone who is a decent PG (e.g. J. Lin) and overpay him such that you are not losing assets?

I just don't get why you would need a 28 year old PG.

Because our GM (a basketball guy) wants to win now.

[floppymoose]

I wouldn't trade Noel for Hield or Teague. And I like both of those players fine.

If you will settle for those guys, will you settle for Harrison Barnes?

[76ciology]

I wouldn't trade Noel for Hield or Teague. And I like both of those players fine.

If you will settle for those guys, will you settle for Harrison Barnes?

Sign him for 7 years minimum then pay him under the table with some shares of a start up company in silicon valley haha

[Wilfried]

I don't get why the Sixers would be interested in Teague. If you are trading Noel (and I think you should), why not try to get a 1st round pick back? Basically, you guys have accumulated a lot of young talented players but there is no guarantee that any of them will be superstars. So you should accumulate more young talents in the hopes that one of them will pan out. On the other hand, we absolutely know that Teague will not be a superstar in this league. So why settle when you are in a superstar search mode? Finally, can't you just sign someone who is a decent PG (e.g. J. Lin) and overpay him such that you are not losing assets?

I just don't get why you would need a 28 year old PG.

Because our GM (a basketball guy) wants to win now.

Didn't our GM say we are going to grow easily, he was not going to rush things?

Why all the panic?

We are only gauging interest in 2 players of which 1 probably has to leave (for chemistry and other reasons).
It's very understandable to me that Noel or Okafor has to go, just to level out our team (and to prevent us from seeing that terrible basketball again).

I understand BC doesn't have much credit here, but this is insane.

We are just coming from a different era, where no rumours at all were leaking. Now we are back on that page, and everyone starts to jump and panic at the first rumour being spread.

[76ciology]

..or maybe it was just an lowblow offer from Hawks that BC rejected the moment he heard it.

[Wilfried]

..or maybe it was just an lowblow offer from Hawks that BC rejected the moment he heard it.

I understand BC made some mistakes (like Hinkie also did) but let us judge him after the deals he made, not after the 'rumours' media spread.

And indeed, it could be a rumour coming from the Hawks' side.

And let us be clear: Teague for Noel (straight up) is a bad deal, we could get much better.
Teague doesn't fit because of his age and contract status.

I think Schröder should be the goal, or Dunn (via Phoenix or Boston pick)

[Ericb5]

It's weird. I agree with most of you that, if this move happens, that it sort of IS the kind of move that we all feared would happen when BC replaced Hinkie. It SHOULD piss me off, but it doesn't, and that is a curious thing.

The reason it doesn't I think comes down to two things. I am so elated that we are going to get Simmons that my fear of "race to the middle" moves is lessened, and my hopes for Noel are so much lower today than they were last year.

I WOULD be pissed off if he traded Noel for a rental, but if we did this deal and it included an extension then I sort of like it.

At the very least, I think that we are ready to acquire a player like Teague, and that he would be great for us. Most people don't think he is worth Noel, but the fact that I personally value Noel less than most makes this idea not so strange to me.

I'm used to trying to find the positives of a situation that I don't like, but in this deal, I find myself trying to convince myself that it would be bad, when my gut reaction is that it isn't.

[76ciology]

..or maybe it was just an lowblow offer from Hawks that BC rejected the moment he heard it.

I understand BC made some mistakes (like Hinkie also did) but let us judge him after the deals he made, not after the 'rumours' media spread.

And indeed, it could be a rumour coming from the Hawks' side.

And let us be clear: Teague for Noel (straight up) is a bad deal, we could get much better.
Teague doesn't fit because of his age and contract status.

I think Schröder should be the goal, or Dunn (via Phoenix or Boston pick)

..maybe BC send a snapchat to all his friends like..

"hey guys, look at this low blow offer the Hawks GM gave me!"

[PhillyRocks1]

I don't get why the Sixers would be interested in Teague. If you are trading Noel (and I think you should), why not try to get a 1st round pick back? Basically, you guys have accumulated a lot of young talented players but there is no guarantee that any of them will be superstars. So you should accumulate more young talents in the hopes that one of them will pan out. On the other hand, we absolutely know that Teague will not be a superstar in this league. So why settle when you are in a superstar search mode? Finally, can't you just sign someone who is a decent PG (e.g. J. Lin) and overpay him such that you are not losing assets?

I just don't get why you would need a 28 year old PG.

Because our GM (a basketball guy) wants to win now.

Proof?

[BoomBap]

teague for noel? HELL NO!

schröder + wolves pick for noel. ok, i would do it.