Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[Arsenal]

Hinkie was certainly divisive.

Here are poll results from Philly.com (the local paper- whose writers were rabidly anti-Hinkie.)

A small majority were pro Hinkie at the time of his departure (56%.) 62% were against the Colangeo Hire.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/poll/inquirer/374953401.html

Poll
Is Sam Hinkie’s departure good for the 76ers?
Yes 1000 (43.8%)
No 1281 (56.2%)

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/poll/inquirer/375145621.html

Poll
Is Bryan Colangelo the right choice to be the 76ers’ general manager?
Yes 327 (37.7%)
No 541 (62.3%)

I don't put a lot of stock in Philly.com polls. I think a lot of people who enjoy laughing at the mess the Sixers have become vote in them. I'm not saying Hinkie didn't have his fans, but the people I talk too seemed to mostly see his approach as bad for the game and the franchise. (I may have led the witnesses a little though).

I'm sure as Colangelo makes mistakes people are going to think "what could have been if Sam were still here." But that's just an appeal to the unknown. He certainly didn't show much skill in team-building while he was here.

LOL. So the polls of hundreds of people are wrong because you talked to a few dudes and admittedly led them towards your opinion.

You and your fellow Hinkie haters are a MINORITY of the fanbase. The MAJORITY of the fanbase was fully on board with "The Process".

I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that Hinkie "failed at team-building" while he was here. He was DELAYING "team-building" until he acquired superstar talent and/or a multitude of assets that can be parlayed into superstar talent. Because if you prematurely "team-build", your chance of acquiring superstar talent goes WAY DOWN. Then you get STUCK in mediocrity.

Anyone with two functioning brain cells can see the amazing position we are in now because of Hinkie.

[Easymoney]

You don't trade Nerlens Noel for a skill you can get from Hollis Thompson.

You don't trade Nerlens Noel for a one-dimensional 22-year old when that one dimension is something that is available for far less capital.

Yes, you trade Nerlens Noel for a kid who shot 45% from 3 in college and 88% from the free throw line. Do you not understand that this guy will get 5-7 open looks a game with Okafor and Simmons on the floor?

Let's say you run a 3ball lineup of Okafor/Saric/Simmons/Hield/Stauskas? You got 2 guys who will need to be doubled and 3 guys who can hit an open 3.

Let's say you run a lineup of Embiid/Saric/Simmons/Hield/Stauskas?

If we can trade Noel straight up for Hield, plus draft wisely next year, we'd be able to space the floor and dominate the paint

You don't man. You just don't. That's awful value. I don't know what to tell you.

Hollis Thompson shoots 39.1% from 3 in the NBA. That's his only NBA skill. It's not worth Nerlens Noel.

What does Hollis Thompson have to do with Buddy Hield? The dude is a 45% 3pt and an 88% ft shooter. I'll take him as our starting 2 over Noel as a backup Center all day.

[Easymoney]

Yes, you trade Nerlens Noel for a kid who shot 45% from 3 in college and 88% from the free throw line. Do you not understand that this guy will get 5-7 open looks a game with Okafor and Simmons on the floor?

Let's say you run a 3ball lineup of Okafor/Saric/Simmons/Hield/Stauskas? You got 2 guys who will need to be doubled and 3 guys who can hit an open 3.

Let's say you run a lineup of Embiid/Saric/Simmons/Hield/Stauskas?

If we can trade Noel straight up for Hield, plus draft wisely next year, we'd be able to space the floor and dominate the paint

Nik Stauskas shot 44% from three in college and 83% at the FT line.

Stauskas was asked to do too much last year. I still believe he can become a decent spot up shooter.

[Kobblehead]

Like I said before, Stauskas' shooting will open up now that he'll be allowed to take mid-range shots.

[Arsenal]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Stauskas make a decent jump. Last year on one of the worst NBA teams of all-time he had a .517 TS%. I think he could raise that to .550 once we have a legit team around him next year.

[Ericb5]

Hinkie was certainly divisive.

Here are poll results from Philly.com (the local paper- whose writers were rabidly anti-Hinkie.)

A small majority were pro Hinkie at the time of his departure (56%.) 62% were against the Colangeo Hire.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/poll/inquirer/374953401.html


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/poll/inquirer/375145621.html

I don't put a lot of stock in Philly.com polls. I think a lot of people who enjoy laughing at the mess the Sixers have become vote in them. I'm not saying Hinkie didn't have his fans, but the people I talk too seemed to mostly see his approach as bad for the game and the franchise. (I may have led the witnesses a little though).

I'm sure as Colangelo makes mistakes people are going to think "what could have been if Sam were still here." But that's just an appeal to the unknown. He certainly didn't show much skill in team-building while he was here.

LOL. So the polls of hundreds of people are wrong because you talked to a few dudes and admittedly led them towards your opinion.

You and your fellow Hinkie haters are a MINORITY of the fanbase. The MAJORITY of the fanbase was fully on board with "The Process".

I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that Hinkie "failed at team-building" while he was here. He was DELAYING "team-building" until he acquired superstar talent and/or a multitude of assets that can be parlayed into superstar talent. Because if you prematurely "team-build", your chance of acquiring superstar talent goes WAY DOWN. Then you get STUCK in mediocrity.

Anyone with two functioning brain cells can see the amazing position we are in now because of Hinkie.

The important point with regard to Hinkie is that at the end of the first round of the rebuild(tanking/asset acquisition) he had tremendous success.

Getting TWO Players with franchise player potential is a huge success, not to mention all of the other valuable assets that retain a lot of value, and can be used to shape the roster.

People can always argue that he wouldn't have succeeded in the second phase, but he clearly knocked it out of the park with the first phase.




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[Unbreakable99]

Like I said before, Stauskas' shooting will open up now that he'll be allowed to take mid-range shots.

Why do you assume Stauskas will be able to take mid range shots? Didn't Brown have the same philosophy as Hinkie? Brown wants 3s and shots close to the rim. Do you really expect him to change that because Colangelo is in charge?

[Kobblehead]

Like I said before, Stauskas' shooting will open up now that he'll be allowed to take mid-range shots.

Why do you assume Stauskas will be able to take mid range shots? Didn't Brown have the same philosophy as Hinkie? Brown wants 3s and shots close to the rim. Do you really expect him to change that because Colangelo is in charge?

That's not Brown's philosophy. That's Moreyball. A Hinkie mandate.

Brown came from San Antonio. Who are among the league leaders in FGA from the mid-range on a yearly basis.

[Sixerscan]

Like I said before, Stauskas' shooting will open up now that he'll be allowed to take mid-range shots.

Why do you assume Stauskas will be able to take mid range shots? Didn't Brown have the same philosophy as Hinkie? Brown wants 3s and shots close to the rim. Do you really expect him to change that because Colangelo is in charge?

That's not Brown's philosophy. That's Moreyball. A Hinkie mandate.

Brown came from San Antonio. Who are among the league leaders in FGA from the mid-range on a yearly basis.

Ehhh that's mostly just because of Aldridge. Last year they were 10th from 8-16 feet, the year before they were 23rd, the last year Brown was there they were 17th. And even with Aldridge this year they were still 25th from 16-23 feet. So I'd imagine the mid range will open up somewhat but I don't expect anything major, especially for a guard like Stauskas. Guys like Mills and Green still take more than half their shots from deep.

[Mik317]

I just hope that we stop passing up good looks for worse 3s or forces at the rim

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, that Moreyball **** is gone.

[CoreyGallagher]

Let's not act like that was the reason our offense was awful, lol.

Top 5 offenses this season GS (ranked 27th in mid range shots taken), Thunder (ranked 14th), Spurs (ranked 2nd), Cavs (24th), Raptors (21st). Houston 8th (1st, obviously).

Top 5 worst offenses this season - us, obviously (ranked 29th in mid range shots taken), Lakers (9th), Suns (17th), Nets (11th), Knicks (1st)

[LongLiveHinkie]

Stauskas can shoot from 2 feet, 10 feet, 15 feet or 22 feet. He blows. He's just not a good NBA player, and in a few years no one will even remember he exists or that he was even a Sixer.

[Mik317]

Let's not act like that was the reason our offense was awful, lol.

Top 5 offenses this season GS (ranked 27th in mid range shots taken), Thunder (ranked 14th), Spurs (ranked 2nd), Cavs (24th), Raptors (21st)

Top 5 worst offenses this season - us, obviously (ranked 29th in mid range shots taken), Lakers (9th), Suns (17th), Nets (11th), Knicks (1st)

It damn sure didn;t help

I'm not talking about settling for mid range jumpers. Thats bad. Thats Doug Collins ball...but we would go out of our way to pass up on good looks. That can't happen. Especially with our "talent". You have to play to your personale. We didn't have guys who could afford to pass up good looks

[CoreyGallagher]

It damn sure didn;t help

Probably didn't hurt as much as most perceive it did. We had the worst fg% from mid range in the league, fwiw. 35.8%, next highest was Lakers 36.5%.

[Kobblehead]

Let's not act like that was the reason our offense was awful, lol.

No, but it contributed. We routinely had guys pass up open shots inside the arc because they were programmed to either dribble back to the perimeter or drive (often times into traffic) to the rim.

Carl Landry finished the season metrically as our best offensive player in large part because he simply took and made open shots when they were there (most of them coming from the mid-range).

[Unbreakable99]

But is Brown really going to change his philosophy? Maybe Brown liked it and did like to play that way even though he came from SA. Someone needs to ask Brown if he plans to change his philosophy

[CoreyGallagher]

If we want to blame our offense on one thing - turnovers.

[Kobblehead]

I just don't see the value in marginalizing your own ability to score the basketball. The key to offensive success in its very essence is exploiting what the defense gives you.

[rzzzzz]

looking at Derek's bar graph, it seems almost half of NBA point guards have their best season AFTER they turn 27. when you throw in injuries, and other attrition, that's pretty remarkable. not the point he's trying to make, but when you dig into stats with varying motivation, all sorts of different angles can pop out.

?

~66% of point guards have their best season at 27 or younger, according to the graph. (6% at 23, 12% at 24, 16% at 25, 19% at 26, 13% at 27)

Derek, I said AFTER they "turn 27". that means all the guys 27 and older. you got to push that extra 13% the other way. that means 47% of guys 27 or older, or nearly half. (and 53% younger than 27, or slightly more than half.)