Giannis' Development

Magic Giannison · Post #1521 » by **Magic Giannison** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 6:18 am

Bucks dont allow GIannis to play in the Olympics....
Giannis got two days to change Bucks mind or he wont play.
Giannis doesnt like that at all.

The Lazy Potato · Post #1522 » by **The Lazy Potato** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 6:51 am

Magic Giannison wrote:Bucks dont allow GIannis to play in the Olympics....
Giannis got two days to change Bucks mind or he wont play.
Giannis doesnt like that at all.

it's not the end of the world.. everything will be ok..

Post #1523 » by **Prez** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 8:27 am

Magic Giannison wrote:Bucks dont allow GIannis to play in the Olympics....
Giannis got two days to change Bucks mind or he wont play.
Giannis doesnt like that at all.

Link?

Magic Giannison · Post #1524 » by **Magic Giannison** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 8:49 am

Milbuck wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:Bucks dont allow GIannis to play in the Olympics....
Giannis got two days to change Bucks mind or he wont play.
Giannis doesnt like that at all.

Link?

Its in greek. The Giannis not liking part i've heard in a radio show here in Greece.
http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/ElladaBasket/EthnikiBasket/oxi-twn-mpaks-ston-giannh-alla.4100168.html

The article says that bucks do not want to leave Giannis participate in the Olympics but the final decision isnt made yet and that Giannis got until Wednesday to convince them otherwise.
The also mention Giannis is trying to sign a contract and that he may not decline Bucks decision.

On the radio show they said Giannis really doesnt like that and will try to talk them over.

H2tObes · Post #1525 » by **H2tObes** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 9:36 am

It's not a big deal either way. This will be only a one year type of thing, him sitting out will be better for both parties in the long run because he can work on his game at a crucial point in his development

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turbostef · Post #1526 » by **turbostef** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 9:53 am

Greece want's to Qualifiy for Olympic Games.
How is that not a big deal if your best Player is not allowed to play for his Country?

By the way this is completely out of agreements between the NBA and the FIBA.
No Team can forbid his Player to play for his NT.

The Bucks handle this situation completely wrong. Giannis WANTS TO PLAY FOR GREECE this Summer!
He will be back until the mids of July and will have more than 2 months of individual Training.

Otherwise he would play in OLYMPIC GAMES which is a dream come true for every athlete.

Giannis if you read this:

Your rookie contract will end after this season. Let's see if some other Team in the NBA is willing to pay you and
let you play for the NT 8-)

Even National Team / FIBA Hater himself (Marc Cuban) let Dirk play for Germany whenver he wanted to

H2tObes · Post #1527 » by **H2tObes** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 10:08 am

Say what you want, it will be better for Giannis to sit out in the long run. He is only 21, there will be much NT play for Giannis ahead, I dont care either way personally. But sounds like you are blowing it out of proportion because you want to see Giannis play for your home country this summer, which is understandable I suppose

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The Lazy Potato · Post #1528 » by **The Lazy Potato** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 10:17 am

he is just 21 years old.. he can participate in many olympic games in the future.. this summer is very important to stay and improve his game.. he will get max contract soon..

yannisk · Post #1529 » by **yannisk** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 10:38 am

Giannis wants to play for the NT, but most importantly wants to sign his new multi million contract. It is completely understandable. Bucks should stand firm and say that this is a special year for his development making it easier for Giannis to skip NT for this year.

Printezis, probably the best player after Giannis, got injured so combined with the retirement of a couple of veteran players means we are talking about a weak NT anyway. I doubt that we can beat Italy and Croatia to qualify. if we somehow manage to qualify, players will spend all summer with training camp/qualification/training camp/olympics so that we get the 8th or 10th place.

turbostef · Post #1530 » by **turbostef** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:02 am

Of course I want Giannis to play for Greece. Why not?

Everybody acts like Giannis would not develop with the NT at all (like the last 2 xears 8-)

).

We can not beat Italy without him. That is clear. But there is hope that we can beat them with Giannis.

Key Roster
Giannis
Sloukas/Mantzaris
Papanikoalou
Agravanis/Perpe
Bourousis/Koufos

Sounds good to me.

The key factor in beating Italy is to control Galinari. Except Giannis nobody can defend him (too tall, too good of an shooter)

But nobody in Italy can defend Giannis.

At the end of the day it is not our decision. Not yours, not mine, nor the Bucks.

If Giannis want's to play (which I completely understand) then the regulation between the FIBA and the NBA
is absolutely clear.

It should be only up to Giannis. Denying an Athlete to represent his Country at Olypmic Games or taking away
the chance to compete for it is completely bad behaviour from Bucks Management.

If Giannis want's to take the risk regarding his contract than this is his decision.

Hey Bucks, if you don't want to take the risk, just don't sign his max contract.

Could happen that Giannis comes back to Milwaukee after this Summer and some other Teams will exploit their
chances to sign him.

I am really pissed that the Bucks will not give him this 3 Weeks.

thomchatt3rton · Post #1531 » by **thomchatt3rton** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:05 am

If he wants to play, the Bucks should be gracious about it. Not only is it the right thing, the human thing to do, it's also good business. Keep your budding young star happy whenever and wherever you can. There is ABSOLUTELY a human element to these deals.

And this business of "there will be plenty of more olympics for him to play in" is silly.

H2tObes · Post #1532 » by **H2tObes** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:17 am

thomchatt3rton wrote:If he wants to play, the Bucks should be gracious about it. Not only is it the right thing, the human thing to do, it's also good business. Keep your budding young star happy whenever and wherever you can. There is ABSOLUTELY a human element to these deals.

And this business of "there will be plenty of more olympics for him to play in" is silly.

Of course there is a human element to this, you want to keep Giannis happy. But it's silly to act like the Bucks are some evil organization for advising Giannis to dedicate this summer to his personal development, it's what any NBA organization would want him to do in this situation. I trust the Bucks will try to handle the situation delicately, Giannis is the franchise

Beorn · Post #1533 » by **Beorn** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:27 am

it's official, he's playing.

JustinCredible · Post #1534 » by **JustinCredible** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:28 am

Perhaps Giannis decided not to play and the Bucks are falling on the sword for him. That way Giannis doesn't upset any Greece fans. No chance in hell that the Bucks just told him out of the blue that he can't play.

turbostef · Post #1535 » by **turbostef** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:29 am

So "not allowing" is "advising"?

I don't think this is the same thing.

I am also not really happy about Giannis do this whole "Antetokoumbros" stuff.

I thought that he should - after a well deserved vacation - start some practice directly after his vacation with the Bucks.
But this is not my choice also. He is human and has to get his mind free after a long season.

If that is what he needed after the season so it be.

And if he wants to play for Greece so it be.

turbostef · Post #1536 » by **turbostef** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:33 am

Beorn wrote:it's official, he's playing.

Link?

I don't think this is official.

http://www.superbasket.gr/me-antetokounmpo-i-proepilogi-gia-to-proolimpiako/

Our coach just announced the preliminary roster of Greece.

Of course Giannis is in this roster. The meeting between Bucks and Giannis still will be on Thursday.

By the way: In Millwaukee or in Greece?

H2tObes · Post #1537 » by **H2tObes** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:33 am

turbostef wrote:So "not allowing" is "advising"?

I don't think this is the same thing.

I am also not really happy about Giannis do this whole "Antetokoumbros" stuff.

I thought that he should - after a well deserved vacation - start some practice directly after his vacation with the Bucks.
But this is not my choice also. He is human and has to get his mind free after a long season.

If that is what he needed after the season so it be.

And if he wants to play for Greece so it be.

I agree with you, if he really wants to play then let him play. Keep him happy. I just think it makes sense for the Bucks perspective to advise him to work on his game this summer. I used the word advise because the decision is up to Giannis ultimately, if Giannis tells them he feels obligated to play then they will probably let him play

turbostef · Post #1538 » by **turbostef** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:43 am

JustinCredible wrote:Perhaps Giannis decided not to play and the Bucks are falling on the sword for him. That way Giannis doesn't upset any Greece fans. No chance in hell that the Bucks just told him out of the blue that he can't play.

I don't think so. I follow literally everything that Giannis does. By the way: He speaks more clearly to Greek reporters

I never heard anything that Giannis would not mean it when he says "I want to play for Greece very much".
As far as I can evaluate this from distance this is his heart speaking.

If Giannis says: Hey Fellow Greeks, I will sign a 100+ Mio. Dollar contract this Summer and therefor I can not play for Greece this year" I am 1000% OK with that.

Giannis came out of poverty and nobody would be angry at him for sitting out one year.

But if he wants to play then the Bucks have to accept it.

In my opinion the only risk is:

- Giannis signs and has a career ending injury (Bucks risk). But what would this injury be like?? Jabari returned, Paul George returned
I could say, hey Bucks Fans you wont be contender in 2016/2017 anyway. Sit out one year as you say to me, hey Greek sit out this summer you wont get a medal anyway

- Giannis will not sign a contract because the Bucks don't want to take the risk. In this case he will find a team if he is healthy (a healthy Giannis will find a lot of Teams)

- Giannis plays get injured and has no contract (Giannis risk)

We are talking about 3 friendly games and maximum 4 at the tournament in Italy

One question:

Giannis can sign with the Bucks but does not have too this Summer. Right?

He would just be a restricted free agent beginning from July 2016, right?

What is the timeline for extensions? July 2016 to ??

Why is this time pressure? He is restricted anyway, right? And he has a contract for 2016/2017

I don't get the whole Problem.

As far as I understand it only Giannis has a risk. And he want's to take it.

DutchManDanFan · Post #1539 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:44 am

"The Bucks don't want Giannis to play for Greece in the Olympics", can mean a lot of things. There's a big difference between 'The Bucks rather see Giannis not playing for his NT this summer' and "The Bucks will do everything they can to prevent Giannis to play for Greece´. The truth will be somewhere in the middle, I guess.

I was away for a couple of days but still wanted to react on this quote:

The Lazy Potato wrote:you guys from Greece just to know in USA they dont care about players like spanoulis or navarro or someone diamantadis.. do you realize how funny it is for us when you call them like legend players? here in NBA they worth nothing.. so calm down a bit with that..

and again no offense but we dont care about players that have nothing to do with the NBA.. go to a european forum and praise them as much as you like..

Quotes like this is why a large part of the world dislikes the USA and talks about arrogance and ignorance to describe their citizens. From this forum I know this doesn't count for most people and you should never generalize anyway, so I take this with a grain of salt. But it would certainly help if you write: "I don't care about players that have nothing to do with the NBA", next time. At least I was interested to read about the Euro legends from Greece here (and even I knew about Galis), and I'm sure for some Americans around here it's the same.

thomchatt3rton · Post #1540 » by **thomchatt3rton** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:47 am

H2tObes wrote:
thomchatt3rton wrote:If he wants to play, the Bucks should be gracious about it. Not only is it the right thing, the human thing to do, it's also good business. Keep your budding young star happy whenever and wherever you can. There is ABSOLUTELY a human element to these deals.

And this business of "there will be plenty of more olympics for him to play in" is silly.

Of course there is a human element to this, you want to keep Giannis happy. But it's silly to act like the Bucks are some evil organization for advising Giannis to dedicate this summer to his personal development, it's what any NBA organization would want him to do in this situation. I trust the Bucks will try to handle the situation delicately, Giannis is the franchise

If I'm the Bucks, I go out of my way to accommodate Giannis if he wants to play for Greece. I go out of my way to be pro-active about supporting him in this. Don't underestimate how important NT play is for guys- especially the friggin' Olympics. In your earlier posts, you kinda gloss over that fact ; "oh there will be plenty of time to play for NT etc etc".