'15-16 RealGM Player of the Year Discussion Thread

[Ballerhogger]

Curry playoffs have been good to underwhelming missed some games when his team has won a game and has played hurt .

[ElGee]

A few quick thoughts before Game 2 of the Finals tips:

-was really impressed with LeBron's defense on Curry (and Cleveland's in general) in G1. Interested to see if they continue with this strategy where he picks him up a lot and physically bullies him.

-thought the Cavs did a good job in general and that in many ways the game was "closer" than the score

-Still think Cleveland has bad habits defensively that keep getting exploited. With that said, thought GS didn't get the usual quality of looks that they get.

[RSCD3_]

Draymond green will be weird to rank as he sucked vs okc which exposed weakmesses but could be the finals MVP because he matches up very well vs cleveland, dont know if im comfortable ranking him over kawhi

[colts18]

If the OKC series did not happen, Draymond Green would easily be the #1 POY for this year.

[bondom34]

I think I'm back where I started.

Curry
Westbrook
Kawhi
Lebron
Durant

[mischievous]

If the OKC series did not happen, Draymond Green would easily be the #1 POY for this year.

Easily #1?

[colts18]

If the OKC series did not happen, Draymond Green would easily be the #1 POY for this year.

Easily #1?

Curry missed so many postseason games that Green would be ahead of him. You cant be #1 if you miss half the postseason then play mediocre in half of the games you played in.

[mischievous]

If the OKC series did not happen, Draymond Green would easily be the #1 POY for this year.

Easily #1?

Curry missed so many postseason games that Green would be ahead of him. You cant be #1 if you miss half the postseason then play mediocre in half of the games you played in.

It's not just Curry, i don't see how he's "easily" ahead of Westbrook, Lebron, Kd, Kawhi when they're all in their primes more or less.

[Clyde Frazier]

If the OKC series did not happen, Draymond Green would easily be the #1 POY for this year.

Easily #1?

Curry missed so many postseason games that Green would be ahead of him. You cant be #1 if you miss half the postseason then play mediocre in half of the games you played in.

He hasn't missed half the playoffs. He's played in 13 of their 19 games (68.4%).

[bondom34]

Also to be a bit of a homer, Presti's look in the EOY is interesting. Donovan's hiring and the Kanter contract, 2 widely panned moves, look pretty solid after the season's end.

[Doctor MJ]

Also to be a bit of a homer, Presti's look in the EOY is interesting. Donovan's hiring and the Kanter contract, 2 widely panned moves, look pretty solid after the season's end.

I still wouldn't say the Kanter deal looks good. Kanter's getting paid upwards of $20 mill per year to play a role with far less MPG than Dion Waiters. You can justify the move as it being a choice between Kanter or nothing, but that still isn't something I'd want to bring up in an EOY conversation.

The Donovan choice on the other hand is quite good, but I don't like giving EOY candidacy merely for adding a good coach given that we have a COY award.

All that said, I have to think more about EOY. I'm not sure who I'd support off-hand.

[bondom34]

Also to be a bit of a homer, Presti's look in the EOY is interesting. Donovan's hiring and the Kanter contract, 2 widely panned moves, look pretty solid after the season's end.

I still wouldn't say the Kanter deal looks good. Kanter's getting paid upwards of $20 mill per year to play a role with far less MPG than Dion Waiters. You can justify the move as it being a choice between Kanter or nothing, but that still isn't something I'd want to bring up in an EOY conversation.

The Donovan choice on the other hand is quite good, but I don't like giving EOY candidacy merely for adding a good coach given that we have a COY award.

All that said, I have to think more about EOY. I'm not sure who I'd support off-hand.

Actually Kanter was at 16.4 mil this year, same as Monroe and Wes Matthews, similar to Tobias Harris. He was brought in to a role I don't know if some people thought he'd embrace and Presti and Donovan sold the guy on it, which was really good work to me. He also was huge in rounds 1 and 2 of the playoffs and 3rd in SMOY voting. I was against it at the time but looking back it was clearly a good move IMO.

[Doctor MJ]

Also to be a bit of a homer, Presti's look in the EOY is interesting. Donovan's hiring and the Kanter contract, 2 widely panned moves, look pretty solid after the season's end.

I still wouldn't say the Kanter deal looks good. Kanter's getting paid upwards of $20 mill per year to play a role with far less MPG than Dion Waiters. You can justify the move as it being a choice between Kanter or nothing, but that still isn't something I'd want to bring up in an EOY conversation.

The Donovan choice on the other hand is quite good, but I don't like giving EOY candidacy merely for adding a good coach given that we have a COY award.

All that said, I have to think more about EOY. I'm not sure who I'd support off-hand.

Actually Kanter was at 16.4 mil this year, same as Monroe and Wes Matthews, similar to Tobias Harris. He was brought in to a role I don't know if some people thought he'd embrace and Presti and Donovan sold the guy on it, which was really good work to me. He also was huge in rounds 1 and 2 of the playoffs and 3rd in SMOY voting. I was against it at the time but looking back it was clearly a good move IMO.

It's surreal we exist in a time where 16.4 mill is talked about like it's not that much, but it's not crazy for you to talk like that in general, it's just that I don't think it makes sense to spend that money who isn't going to be playing starter-level minutes for you even in the new financial landscape of the NBA.

Monroe may end up a guy who can only succeed on a good team in the NBA off-the-bench, but that's not what he was given that money for. Milwaukee's signing of him right now is an embarrassing misstep.

Matthews on the other hand got his money because he was a great starting role player and Dallas needed someone like him if they were going to be contenders with their new DeAndre Jordan-core. Of course, now they don't have Jordan, and Matthews hasn't looked the same after his injury, so while Matthews isn't an embarrassing misstep, it probably was a mistake none the less.

So yeah, in both scenarios you're looking at teams who would rank near the bottom of the 30 EOY candidates, and yeah, Presti certainly ranks above both of them, but I'm still not all that excited about him as EOY.

Interestingly, while I meh at the idea of Presti as EOY this year, his true standing as a GM is in better shape than it's been in a while. His "big mistake" isn't looking so big, and some of his more minor acquisitions seem to really be working out.

[bondom34]

I still wouldn't say the Kanter deal looks good. Kanter's getting paid upwards of $20 mill per year to play a role with far less MPG than Dion Waiters. You can justify the move as it being a choice between Kanter or nothing, but that still isn't something I'd want to bring up in an EOY conversation.

The Donovan choice on the other hand is quite good, but I don't like giving EOY candidacy merely for adding a good coach given that we have a COY award.

All that said, I have to think more about EOY. I'm not sure who I'd support off-hand.

Actually Kanter was at 16.4 mil this year, same as Monroe and Wes Matthews, similar to Tobias Harris. He was brought in to a role I don't know if some people thought he'd embrace and Presti and Donovan sold the guy on it, which was really good work to me. He also was huge in rounds 1 and 2 of the playoffs and 3rd in SMOY voting. I was against it at the time but looking back it was clearly a good move IMO.

It's surreal we exist in a time where 16.4 mill is talked about like it's not that much, but it's not crazy for you to talk like that in general, it's just that I don't think it makes sense to spend that money who isn't going to be playing starter-level minutes for you even in the new financial landscape of the NBA.

Monroe may end up a guy who can only succeed on a good team in the NBA off-the-bench, but that's not what he was given that money for. Milwaukee's signing of him right now is an embarrassing misstep.

Matthews on the other hand got his money because he was a great starting role player and Dallas needed someone like him if they were going to be contenders with their new DeAndre Jordan-core. Of course, now they don't have Jordan, and Matthews hasn't looked the same after his injury, so while Matthews isn't an embarrassing misstep, it probably was a mistake none the less.

So yeah, in both scenarios you're looking at teams who would rank near the bottom of the 30 EOY candidates, and yeah, Presti certainly ranks above both of them, but I'm still not all that excited about him as EOY.

Interestingly, while I meh at the idea of Presti as EOY this year, his true standing as a GM is in better shape than it's been in a while. His "big mistake" isn't looking so big, and some of his more minor acquisitions seem to really be working out.

Then again, I'd point to guys we are considering and say if Kanter looks this poor, some of their moves haven't worked either. Buford was pretty much unable to build a bench that could keep up with OKC's despite them being widely considered a low depth team, with Kevin Martin and Dre Miller minding the bench. In GSW there's less, but its inherently b/c he did less, and the one or two moves made were either negative or inconsequential (drafting Looney and Andy V's signing, also the whole David Lee to Wallace to Thompson trade setup). I think some of the guys on top are getting a bit more credit for not doing anything when guys a notch below aren't for making clear upgrades despite criticism.

[NinjaSheppard]

Sam Presti did some nice things but during OKC's game 7 against the Warriors the team had a fully healthy roster and only went 7 deep. Their 6th guy was Dion Waiters (who had possibly the most overrated playoff run in recent times, did what Jamal Crawford does routinely but this was a step up from his not a rotation player regular season that people were pleasantly surprised) and their 7th guy was sub 10 minutes of Kanter.

It is a testament to the top 4 guys on the Thunder that people think Presti did a great job surrounding his key guys.

Edit: Dion Waiters played 95 minutes in the last 3 games of the Warriors series. He was purely out there for his scoring because he does not have any other above average skills and he scored a total of 8 points (not per game but combined) and shot 3 for 18.

[Texas Chuck]

Presti has no business in EOY talk. Unless specifically he's being rewarded for drafting Adams 3 years ago.

[HeartBreakKid]

Yeah, Adams seems like the biggest catalyst in terms of roleplayers making impact, and acquiring him happened a while ago.

Some of the crappier role players played some of the best basketball of their life, but there are players who play on the same level as Dion Waiters every night and they're usually bench level players.

[bondom34]

My point of contention is Meyers being added for essentially doing nothing. If you put Buford or Olshey fine, but people over the last few years have killed Presti for everything he's done, and all those moves ended up pretty well.

I'm not saying he should win it, but if there's a top 5 GMs right now he's gotta be there to me.

[JLei]

Curry (MVP)
Bron (likely playoffs MVP)
Green (likely Finals MVP)
Westbrook (GOAT)
Kawhi (DPOY)

5/6 top 5 in RPM (CP3 the other). Yah good to me. I'm giving it to Curry unless Cleveland somehow wins which they won't.

[Clyde Frazier]

My point of contention is Meyers being added for essentially doing nothing. If you put Buford or Olshey fine, but people over the last few years have killed Presti for everything he's done, and all those moves ended up pretty well.

I'm not saying he should win it, but if there's a top 5 GMs right now he's gotta be there to me.

I will say waiters ended up having a better playoffs than most would expect. I’m still not sure i’d want him on my team long term, though. What are your thoughts on him?