The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[Damkac]

LeBron's defense isn't so great either
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z0Eblu1Aaw[/youtube]

[saintEscaton]

Tyson Chandler on NBA: The Jump, "If the Suns are in a rebuild mode, where they're going to focus on their young players, this isn't the place for me." Hate to say it but I told you so. I hope he doesn't get his way tho. We will be stuck on the treadmill as long as we are committed to bums like him who do't care about the bigger picture. Mentorship my arse. We gave him a contract no one else would to win us some unnecessary games when it didn't matter to jeopardize the tank.

[bwgood77]

Tyson Chandler on NBA: The Jump, "If the Suns are in a rebuild mode, where they're going to focus on their young players, this isn't the place for me." Hate to say it but I told you so. I hope he doesn't get his way tho. We will be stuck on the treadmill as long as we are committed to bums like him who do't care about the bigger picture. Mentorship my arse. We gave him a contract no one else would to win us some unnecessary games when it didn't matter to jeopardize the tank.

Is this the same quote as before that was kind of taken out of context after a game, or did he just say this recently?

Edit, I guess it was said just now. [tweet]https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/739902358822490112[/tweet]

However, you know, that although everyone and their mother thinks/knows we should going young and rebuilding, McD is probably telling everyone "We're not as far off as people think, and we expect to make the playoffs this next year."

[TeamTragic]

Tyson Chandler on NBA: The Jump, "If the Suns are in a rebuild mode, where they're going to focus on their young players, this isn't the place for me." Hate to say it but I told you so. I hope he doesn't get his way tho. We will be stuck on the treadmill as long as we are committed to bums like him who do't care about the bigger picture. Mentorship my arse. We gave him a contract no one else would to win us some unnecessary games when it didn't matter to jeopardize the tank.

Why did Chandler sign with this team when we were nowhere near competing? Did he really think we were going to make the playoffs last season? I mean once we didn't get LMA it was pretty much guaranteed that we would be playing our youth

[Kerrsed]

Tyson Chandler on NBA: The Jump, "If the Suns are in a rebuild mode, where they're going to focus on their young players, this isn't the place for me." Hate to say it but I told you so. I hope he doesn't get his way tho. We will be stuck on the treadmill as long as we are committed to bums like him who do't care about the bigger picture. Mentorship my arse. We gave him a contract no one else would to win us some unnecessary games when it didn't matter to jeopardize the tank.

Why did Chandler sign with this team when we were nowhere near competing? Did he really think we were going to make the playoffs last season? I mean once we didn't get LMA it was pretty much guaranteed that we would be playing our youth

He signed pre LMA, so he was kinda locked in. I believe that he figured with Bledsoe, LMA, and himself, we would be a playoff team. When we struck out on LMA, im sure he figured we would go after more vets that would make us better, which we didnt. Hence where he is coming from now. I know around March he had a quote similar that was taken out of context and he clarified it, but im wondering if he is hearing rumblings in the FO. Whether its about Not doing trades and keeping our picks and playing the youngesters (rebuild) or trading guys like Bledsoe or Tucker or Knight for younger guys and/or picks (rebuild), Something changed in the past few months where he now knows that we are rebuilding and he doesnt want any part of it. Chandler knows SOMETHING! I think something is going to happen, and it could be a major change to our team.

[bwgood77]

Tyson Chandler on NBA: The Jump, "If the Suns are in a rebuild mode, where they're going to focus on their young players, this isn't the place for me." Hate to say it but I told you so. I hope he doesn't get his way tho. We will be stuck on the treadmill as long as we are committed to bums like him who do't care about the bigger picture. Mentorship my arse. We gave him a contract no one else would to win us some unnecessary games when it didn't matter to jeopardize the tank.

Why did Chandler sign with this team when we were nowhere near competing? Did he really think we were going to make the playoffs last season? I mean once we didn't get LMA it was pretty much guaranteed that we would be playing our youth

Yes, he agreed before LMA declined. He could have reneged on the verbal though. Like I just mentioned in the trade forum....

I guess he said something on tv again today along the lines of "If the Suns are focused on rebuilding and young players, this isn't the place for me."

So I'm sure all that talk about trading Chandler will come back up. And of course even though everyone and their mother know that the Suns are and should be focusing solely on rebuilding, our GM will inevitably come out and say and tell Chandler that "this team isn't as far off as people think, and we expect to make the playoffs this year."

So the biggest missing piece is "what has the dialogue between Chandler and the front office been"? Are they still telling him, like they did last year when they signed him that they expect to sign a legit PF and want to make the playoffs this year? The problem with the owner is that McD may be forced to do this even though HE probably knows what SHOULD be done is focus solely on rebuilding and to stop signing average to below average vets in an attempt to try and get a little better at the cost of our young guys and future draft picks.

[TeamTragic]

Tyson Chandler on NBA: The Jump, "If the Suns are in a rebuild mode, where they're going to focus on their young players, this isn't the place for me." Hate to say it but I told you so. I hope he doesn't get his way tho. We will be stuck on the treadmill as long as we are committed to bums like him who do't care about the bigger picture. Mentorship my arse. We gave him a contract no one else would to win us some unnecessary games when it didn't matter to jeopardize the tank.

Why did Chandler sign with this team when we were nowhere near competing? Did he really think we were going to make the playoffs last season? I mean once we didn't get LMA it was pretty much guaranteed that we would be playing our youth

He signed pre LMA, so he was kinda locked in. I believe that he figured with Bledsoe, LMA, and himself, we would be a playoff team. When we struck out on LMA, im sure he figured we would go after more vets that would make us better, which we didnt. Hence where he is coming from now. I know around March he had a quote similar that was taken out of context and he clarified it, but im wondering if he is hearing rumblings in the FO. Whether its about Not doing trades and keeping our picks and playing the youngesters (rebuild) or trading guys like Bledsoe or Tucker or Knight for younger guys and/or picks (rebuild), Something changed in the past few months where he now knows that we are rebuilding and he doesnt want any part of it. Chandler knows SOMETHING! I think something is going to happen, and it could be a major change to our team.

I'm glad that his quotes could mean we are properly rebuilding. Next year the draft class is stacked

[bwgood77]

Tyson Chandler on NBA: The Jump, "If the Suns are in a rebuild mode, where they're going to focus on their young players, this isn't the place for me." Hate to say it but I told you so. I hope he doesn't get his way tho. We will be stuck on the treadmill as long as we are committed to bums like him who do't care about the bigger picture. Mentorship my arse. We gave him a contract no one else would to win us some unnecessary games when it didn't matter to jeopardize the tank.

Why did Chandler sign with this team when we were nowhere near competing? Did he really think we were going to make the playoffs last season? I mean once we didn't get LMA it was pretty much guaranteed that we would be playing our youth

He signed pre LMA, so he was kinda locked in. I believe that he figured with Bledsoe, LMA, and himself, we would be a playoff team. When we struck out on LMA, im sure he figured we would go after more vets that would make us better, which we didnt. Hence where he is coming from now. I know around March he had a quote similar that was taken out of context and he clarified it, but im wondering if he is hearing rumblings in the FO. Whether its about Not doing trades and keeping our picks and playing the youngesters (rebuild) or trading guys like Bledsoe or Tucker or Knight for younger guys and/or picks (rebuild), Something changed in the past few months where he now knows that we are rebuilding and he doesnt want any part of it. Chandler knows SOMETHING! I think something is going to happen, and it could be a major change to our team.

Well here is the video. He basically explains the context of the comment earlier in the year, as well as how he feels now, which is that this team is in a good position if they build the right way and he is happy and that we will see the draft and how free agency plays out and if management decides they want to focus strictly on going young and rebuilding then we will have that conversation.

It's definitely good to watch the video for anyone who is going to discuss the Chandler situation. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=16001578

Nothing has really changed.

In other news, LaMarcus Aldridge is starting to break down and will miss the olympics. OK, maybe I exaggerated...he has a lingering finger injury and will miss the olympics.

[Kerrsed]

All i have to say is that if Chandler is going to talk a big game like that, he himself needs to step up HIS play. Kind of put me off that he is acting like he is a big time hot commodity, and if we arnt looking to do things a certain way, then he wants out and wants to go to a contender, like he is a big star. I can only name less than a handful of teams that would take him as he sits right now. Talking about our team getting better players and improving, YOU are already on the team and a veteran, so the improvements should start 1st and foremost with YOU!

[GetYourPHX]

I still think Chandler is the most likely candidate to be traded this offseason. He clearly doesn't fit in with the direction of the team, and while he isn't going to return anything of value, I think a few teams would still be willing to take on his contract with the rising cap. Houston, Portland, Atlanta, or Indiana may be willing to part with a second rounder to get the deal done.

[saintEscaton]

I hope we get rid of Tucker and don't bring Telly/Price back

[Kerrsed]

I still think Chandler is the most likely candidate to be traded this offseason. He clearly doesn't fit in with the direction of the team, and while he isn't going to return anything of value, I think a few teams would still be willing to take on his contract with the rising cap. Houston, Portland, Atlanta, or Indiana may be willing to part with a second rounder to get the deal done.

You should see what fans have been posting on the trade board for the past week or so. The majority of them call Chandlers contract "The BIGGEST ALBATROSS" in the league. A large majority of them feel that we need to attach the #13 pick just to dump him. I even saw a few where they had us trading Chandler and the #13 WHILE taking back bad contracts (The Monroe/Henson for Chandler/Tucker/#13 post sticks out in my head).

While those are fan based ideas, it still shows that around the league (In the fans eyes), Chandler is looked at as a major negative, and FO will be aware of how their fans will react to the news of obtaining him.

[saintEscaton]

Chandler was always a noted ring chase, he also quit on that 2014 Knicks team and demanded to be dealt back to Dallas. I don’t see many suitors, if he wants to find a new home he will have to accept sacrificing a lot of dough in a buyout. Doubt he’s willing to do us any favors tho

[GetYourPHX]

While those are fan based ideas, it still shows that around the league (In the fans eyes), Chandler is looked at as a major negative, and FO will be aware of how their fans will react to the news of obtaining him.

Those are the same fans that said they wouldn't even give a 2nd round pick for Markieff Morris. RealGM posts are worth exactly what people get paid to write them.

Chandler is still an active, team-oriented 5 in a league that's starved of those type of players. NBA GM's know the chance of finding a player like him in the second round are slim to none.

[Kerrsed]

I do like one of the ideas on the trade board: #28 for Z-BO. I would prefer it to be #34 for Z-BO, but still the idea is interesting.

We are most likely going to strike out on any big names in FA. Paying Randolph $10M for a season would be more than fine for me. At his advanced age he is still a major defensive threat, a rebounder, and a threat in the post. Whatever young big we pickup in the draft is going to have issues and will need time to learn the game and adjust, so playing minutes behind Zach wouldnt be that big of an issue. Im sure he would also make a great mentor and be a positive veteran presence on our team as well. Of course i would also ask for Stephenson in return and throw them Tucker/Leuer as well.



Bledsoe/Booker/Stephenson/ZBO/Chandler ------ Surrounds Booker with defenders.

[SideSwipe]

Yes, yes....I will guarantee you that the FO has zero desire to trade Chandler right now.

In my mind this solidifies the direction the FO would like to head. Go big or go home. The FO will concentrate on getting better in the short term. to compete for the playoffs and that a move towards younger players will only come after other options are off the table.

This is chandler beginning his recruiting. He is putting out there= that the reason he is in PHX is to compete, and until that changes his teams will compete. I think he knows other guys in the league respect what he brings to teams and is stating that they should join him. It's the only reason to put it the way he did. The next question is who will he specifically target?

[SideSwipe]

I do like one of the ideas on the trade board: #28 for Z-BO. I would prefer it to be #34 for Z-BO, but still the idea is interesting.

We are most likely going to strike out on any big names in FA. Paying Randolph $10M for a season would be more than fine for me. At his advanced age he is still a major defensive threat, a rebounder, and a threat in the post. Whatever young big we pickup in the draft is going to have issues and will need time to learn the game and adjust, so playing minutes behind Zach wouldnt be that big of an issue. Im sure he would also make a great mentor and be a positive veteran presence on our team as well. Of course i would also ask for Stephenson in return and throw them Tucker/Leuer as well.



Bledsoe/Booker/Stephenson/ZBO/Chandler ------ Surrounds Booker with defenders.

Like I said on the trade board, this would be plan H, after all other plans are exhausted. the value at #28 is good, but ZBO, while talented has a lot of miles on what was already a body tailored for a slow game. I think IND should be his next place if he is on the move. They need the vet presence, and will likely have a slower pace with Nate McMillan on board.

[bwgood77]

Yes, yes....I will guarantee you that the FO has zero desire to trade Chandler right now.

In my mind this solidifies the direction the FO would like to head. Go big or go home. The FO will concentrate on getting better in the short term. to compete for the playoffs and that a move towards younger players will only come after other options are off the table.

This is chandler beginning his recruiting. He is putting out there= that the reason he is in PHX is to compete, and until that changes his teams will compete. I think he knows other guys in the league respect what he brings to teams and is stating that they should join him. It's the only reason to put it the way he did. The next question is who will he specifically target?

Very good way to put it. Now I think the vast majority of us here would rather go young and build through the draft, and even most of the realgm community (talking the whole thing not just Phx) thinks the Suns are going young and not chasing vets because that's probably what they should do, but the reality of the situation is that they are going to try once again to land some sort of impact free agent, or make a major trade that gets them into the playoffs.

Many here don't understand the rationale, but more do here than among the fans of other teams on realgm looking at the Suns...none of them understand what the heck the Suns are doing. They all view it as "Tyson demanding out".

It might be best in the long run to strike out on far fetched trades and free agency, and for the team to be forced to go young, and if that means Tyson wants out, so be it...it's not like he is a difference maker and worth his contract though. I wouldn't want to give up assets to get rid of him.

[bwgood77]

I do like one of the ideas on the trade board: #28 for Z-BO. I would prefer it to be #34 for Z-BO, but still the idea is interesting.

We are most likely going to strike out on any big names in FA. Paying Randolph $10M for a season would be more than fine for me. At his advanced age he is still a major defensive threat, a rebounder, and a threat in the post. Whatever young big we pickup in the draft is going to have issues and will need time to learn the game and adjust, so playing minutes behind Zach wouldnt be that big of an issue. Im sure he would also make a great mentor and be a positive veteran presence on our team as well. Of course i would also ask for Stephenson in return and throw them Tucker/Leuer as well.



Bledsoe/Booker/Stephenson/ZBO/Chandler ------ Surrounds Booker with defenders.

So you are really thinking this team could get somewhere? I mean at the expense of possibly a top draft pick next year? ZBO and Chandler front court? I think the value is good, and I think the only reason Memphis trades ZBo for the 28th pick is if they are either rebuilding because Conley bolts or if they (being the last hold out team of having two interior bigs) decide you can't win any more with two interior bigs, and in that case, why would we want to be the only team trying to be successful with two interior bigs?

Also, we can't exactly throw in Leuer since he's a free agent.

[Kerrsed]

I do like one of the ideas on the trade board: #28 for Z-BO. I would prefer it to be #34 for Z-BO, but still the idea is interesting.

We are most likely going to strike out on any big names in FA. Paying Randolph $10M for a season would be more than fine for me. At his advanced age he is still a major defensive threat, a rebounder, and a threat in the post. Whatever young big we pickup in the draft is going to have issues and will need time to learn the game and adjust, so playing minutes behind Zach wouldnt be that big of an issue. Im sure he would also make a great mentor and be a positive veteran presence on our team as well. Of course i would also ask for Stephenson in return and throw them Tucker/Leuer as well.



Bledsoe/Booker/Stephenson/ZBO/Chandler ------ Surrounds Booker with defenders.

So you are really thinking this team could get somewhere? I mean at the expense of possibly a top draft pick next year? ZBO and Chandler front court? I think the value is good, and I think the only reason Memphis trades ZBo for the 28th pick is if they are either rebuilding because Conley bolts or if they (being the last hold out team of having two interior bigs) decide you can't win any more with two interior bigs, and in that case, why would we want to be the only team trying to be successful with two interior bigs?

Also, we can't exactly throw in Leuer since he's a free agent.

Is he a FA? I know Mirza is, but ESPN has Leuer listed as 2 more years (This past season & next season).

As for Memphis, i think they will be re-signing Conley and going after Pau for cheap in FA. I know they have tried getting the Gasol Bros. together for years, but it seems like this is the year they can get it done. He has already stated that he is done with the Bulls, so he wont be taking his player option, and i can see him playing for cheaper than this season ($7.4M) to be with his brother. The subtraction of Randolph and addition of Gasol would save them money to re-sign Conley and go after a decent SF (Specially if they were sending out Stephenson like i want them to). If i were them, i would try to get Rudy Gay away from Sac in a Kings salary dump.

Conley/Allen/Gay/Gasol/Gasol

As for us... I would love to end up with the #1 pick next season and get Giles, but i just dont think we are ever lucky enough to land a top draftee. Many say that next seasons draft is a loaded one, who knows if everyone elects to come out of college in such a loaded draft, but maybe having a later pick in a better draft isnt that bad, specially if we are starting to develop a winning culture for our youngin's.

I think with the line-up i posted, we could make the playoffs. would we advance? I have no idea.