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2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (3-4)

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Who will win?

GS in 4
19
7%
GS in 5
62
22%
GS in 6
67
24%
GS in 7
38
13%
Cavs in 4
6
2%
Cavs in 5
4
1%
Cavs in 6
38
13%
Cavs in 7
49
17%
 
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Re: 2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (2-0) 

Post#981 » by ash_k » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:09 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:The scary thing about the Warriors:

Curry: 28
Thompson: 26
Green: 26


They could conceivably win 4 or 5 titles in a row. I can't see any super team coming up in the next 2 years.
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You dont have to look too far.

Keep in mind, OKC was clearly superior to G-State (choking aside.). Just look at Draymond Green right now.
OKC will learn from their mistakes (like not to laugh at your opponents' weaknesses" )

Then you will have a revamped Spurs team (possibly with Gasol, Noah, etc...). 67-win team.

OKC's Superior length stopped G-State !
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Re: 2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (2-0) 

Post#982 » by Blood Orange » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:09 pm

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JuelzSantana wrote:Draymond Green has a great personality. I don't know why people don't like the kid. He's young and foolish. So what? Everyone at one point in their life has acted similar.

If Raptors could acquire a player as useful as Green on our team we would be a far more efficient team.


Look, I love the way he plays from a pure basketball standpoint, and yes ANY team would love him on their team, but he's not just "young and foolish", he's dirty and borderline dangerous with some of the cheap shots he delivers. 95% of NBA players in the league are not as dirty as him and have never been. And they were all his age once. So you can't chalk up his dirty plays to youth.


I disagree, wholeheartedly. I've watched most of GSW's game this year, and I don't believe his intention is to go out there and hurt or damage other players. I've seen interviews by him and he talks with a certain intelligence in how he views/plays the game and his perspective on particular aspects of the game. Of course a player would never come out and say "my intent is going out to hurt the other team's players" however, nothing in what he's previously said suggests that his approach to the game is to cause some kind of violence to the opposition.

I believe he plays with a certain intensity and physicality that some may conceive as harmful or hurtful but if you grew up watching 90s basketball his style of play shouldn't be too out of the ordinary. If you plug Draymond into any 90s team he'd fit fine. I can see Draymond on a 93' Knicks team and he would excel without question.

Draymond doesn't have the grace or finesse of other players like Curry or Durant. He also very much lacks size on most of his opponents but he makes up for it by being physical and playing to the capacity of his abilities. Thats why I believe he plays the way he does. Its his only real advantage against the other team.
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Post#983 » by jamesd » Mon Jun 6, 2016 11:55 pm

ash_k wrote:
LLJ wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:The scary thing about the Warriors:

Curry: 28
Thompson: 26
Green: 26


They could conceivably win 4 or 5 titles in a row. I can't see any super team coming up in the next 2 years.
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You dont have to look too far.

Keep in mind, OKC was clearly superior to G-State (choking aside.). Just look at Draymond Green right now.
OKC will learn from their mistakes (like not to laugh at your opponents' weaknesses" )

Then you will have a revamped Spurs team (possibly with Gasol, Noah, etc...). 67-win team.

OKC's Superior length stopped G-State !


Yeah, the team that lost was clearly superior. And that superior team's length clearly stopped them from winning? Huh?
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Re: 2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (2-0) 

Post#984 » by ash_k » Tue Jun 7, 2016 12:10 am

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ash_k wrote:
LLJ wrote:
They could conceivably win 4 or 5 titles in a row. I can't see any super team coming up in the next 2 years.
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You dont have to look too far.

Keep in mind, OKC was clearly superior to G-State (choking aside.). Just look at Draymond Green right now.
OKC will learn from their mistakes (like not to laugh at your opponents' weaknesses" )

Then you will have a revamped Spurs team (possibly with Gasol, Noah, etc...). 67-win team.

OKC's Superior length stopped G-State !


Yeah, the team that lost was clearly superior. And that superior team's length clearly stopped them from winning? Huh?


you did watch the series tho, right ?
GAme 6: in spite of Wes and KD missing ~40 shots combined (unheard of lol)! G-State was still down in the 4th and needed every shot of that Klay's NBA-record to pull it off. you know ...chOKC/chOklahoma created for a reason.

The superior team choked and now G-State is on the verge of another ring with Draymond Green as potential Finals MVP (the same Draymond that was totally shutdown versus OKC)

I hope Klay Thompson gets that MVP!
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Re: 2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (2-0) 

Post#985 » by Alfred » Tue Jun 7, 2016 12:51 am

My biggest problem with the OKC/GSW series was that Draymond Green wasn't suspended for the kick to Adams' balls. That was a clear-cut suspension, and they didn't do it.
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Post#986 » by floppymoose » Tue Jun 7, 2016 1:03 am

I agree, but it didn't change the outcome. GS lost the game he would have been suspended.

OKC was great and better than I personally expected. I think calling them clearly superior is wrong, though. I also think Curry was still shaking rust off from his break.

But we will likely get another series with OKC next year with pretty much the same cast and then both teams will have another opportunity to show what they can do.
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Post#987 » by ash_k » Tue Jun 7, 2016 2:15 am

At some point, OKC had won 7 out of the last 9 games versus both Spurs and GSW .. Blew out G-State twice in a row by 20+ each time.
Then game 6: again despite of KD/Wes missing 40 shots combined, only an NBA Playoff Record saved G-State's season - still cant believe Klay was able to do it while covering Westbrook.
Whenever OKC was moving the ball, GSW could not hang with them. OKC was the superior team (chOKC wasnt!)
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Post#988 » by lobosloboslobos » Tue Jun 7, 2016 3:22 am

ash_k wrote:At some point, OKC had won 7 out of the last 9 games versus both Spurs and GSW .. Blew out G-State twice in a row by 20+ each time.
Then game 6: again despite of KD/Wes missing 40 shots combined, only an NBA Playoff Record saved G-State's season - still cant believe Klay was able to do it while covering Westbrook.
Whenever OKC was moving the ball, GSW could not hang with them. OKC was the superior team (chOKC wasnt!)


choking is just another name for not being as good. both teams are terrific. but the better team won. end of story.
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Re: 2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (2-0) 

Post#989 » by ash_k » Tue Jun 7, 2016 3:35 am

lobosloboslobos wrote:
ash_k wrote:At some point, OKC had won 7 out of the last 9 games versus both Spurs and GSW .. Blew out G-State twice in a row by 20+ each time.
Then game 6: again despite of KD/Wes missing 40 shots combined, only an NBA Playoff Record saved G-State's season - still cant believe Klay was able to do it while covering Westbrook.
Whenever OKC was moving the ball, GSW could not hang with them. OKC was the superior team (chOKC wasnt!)


choking is just another name for not being as good. both teams are terrific. but the better team won. end of story.


Thank you, Klay for that 3-point NBA record. and as KD said :
, "They beat us at the 3-point line. We beat them everywhere else."

End of story.
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Post#990 » by Alfred » Tue Jun 7, 2016 4:10 am

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Re: 2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (2-0) 

Post#991 » by sule » Tue Jun 7, 2016 4:20 am

If/When Cleveland decides to throw their hat heavily into the trade market to revamp that team to LeBrons new needs/likings, i suspect their movement will directly interfere with Boston's aspirations.

This offseason and next season will definitely be interesting for these teams.

Golden State's gonna leave the entire state of Ohio in shambles if they can sweep the Cavs.
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Post#992 » by Stalley911 » Tue Jun 7, 2016 4:23 am

I think LeBron retires after this series. I'm not even saying that as a joke, I could see it happening.
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Re: 2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (2-0) 

Post#993 » by ash_k » Tue Jun 7, 2016 4:42 am

After game 1&2 blowouts, in Cleveland, 99% of this board and of the world thought we would be swept. rightfully so after a ~30+point loss and ~20! Kyle and DeMar still managed to make it 2-2.

Cavs have controlled Klay&Curry so far. There still could be a path to victory at least in the next 2 games ... 2-2? ...We did it after all, in spite of all odds against us!... Series is not quite over.
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Post#994 » by youreachiteach » Tue Jun 7, 2016 4:55 am

ash_k wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
ash_k wrote:At some point, OKC had won 7 out of the last 9 games versus both Spurs and GSW .. Blew out G-State twice in a row by 20+ each time.
Then game 6: again despite of KD/Wes missing 40 shots combined, only an NBA Playoff Record saved G-State's season - still cant believe Klay was able to do it while covering Westbrook.
Whenever OKC was moving the ball, GSW could not hang with them. OKC was the superior team (chOKC wasnt!)


choking is just another name for not being as good. both teams are terrific. but the better team won. end of story.


Thank you, Klay for that 3-point NBA record. and as KD said :
, "They beat us at the 3-point line. We beat them everywhere else."

End of story.


That's a nice quote, but it doesn't capture why they ultimately lost. OKC is a running team that over-ran The Dubs while they were stupidly trying to play at their pace. OKC wants to score 120 s fast as they can. They had not played superior defense up until this series--but they were well coached this time around and took away many of the early offensive sets of the Dubs.

It's not surprising given Golden State's preference to shoot that they tried to go mano a mano with OKC. What they found out was that OKC had the length and quickness advantage to snuff out their early opportunity and transition offense, much of what allowed them to blow teams out in the regular season (and to the weaker teams they got to play earlier, especially when the Clips went out due to injury). Running only assisted OKC's stars and support players in getting to their spots and dunking the ball.

Four games in, Golden State realized they couldn't continue this pace, and had to reign OKC in by playing in a more controlled, intelligent pace. Instead of going for the quick bucket, beat them with the secondary offense off of a turnover. Get back and set up a wall on Westbrook and let Iguodala, who struggled with Durant's speed, get back in position. This also let them get their weaker players into foul trouble, and made their defensive whiz a non-factor.

As far as the shooting goes, there had to be a correction at some point given what Clay and Curry had been shooting--especially if their defense started to get stops and kept them close. The second half and fourth quarter are always dangerous for an ISO team, as the opposition by this point has probably found a decent way to defend it. Keeping a game within one or two possessions will allow the team with the free flow offense which makes better decisions with the ball to take control of the game (often in a demoralizing fashion).

Put simply, OKC were the better athletes, but the Dubs were the smarter team with a better system and better support players--as we are seeing in the finals.

So, you are right in one aspect--OKC are the superior athletes. The problem is, they don't have the highest basketball IQ. They are the ISO king team of the league, and Westbrook is Lebron light. The problem comes when smarter teams force them into a half court pace and their ISO offense causes silly turnovers and poor shot selection. OKC's wings are catch and shoot guys, not facilitators--so that means if you crowd them and take away their passing lanes they struggle to make good choices-just like the raps do.
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Post#995 » by 6ixSideSniper » Tue Jun 7, 2016 5:25 am

OKC are the Raptors West. 2 stars who are capable of team ball but likes to ISO, solid gritty big man, decent supporting cast. OKC had pretty much an identical record vs the East as the Raps vs the West, and similar overall record. OKC is obviously more talented but the teams are of the same mould.
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Post#996 » by jamesd » Tue Jun 7, 2016 1:56 pm

ash_k wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
ash_k wrote:At some point, OKC had won 7 out of the last 9 games versus both Spurs and GSW .. Blew out G-State twice in a row by 20+ each time.
Then game 6: again despite of KD/Wes missing 40 shots combined, only an NBA Playoff Record saved G-State's season - still cant believe Klay was able to do it while covering Westbrook.
Whenever OKC was moving the ball, GSW could not hang with them. OKC was the superior team (chOKC wasnt!)


choking is just another name for not being as good. both teams are terrific. but the better team won. end of story.


Thank you, Klay for that 3-point NBA record. and as KD said :
, "They beat us at the 3-point line. We beat them everywhere else."

End of story.


The end of the story was actually Golden State won. OKC can beat them everywhere else but three-pointers still count.
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Re: 2016 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers (2-0) 

Post#997 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Tue Jun 7, 2016 2:03 pm

Alfred wrote:
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Look at LeBron. He aint even mad. It's "Oh that Stef Curry. Got me again. Awe Shucks."
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Post#998 » by peast » Tue Jun 7, 2016 4:44 pm

LLJ wrote:
Lateral Quicks wrote:To me, the big disparity is in the starting lineup. Curry, Thompson, and Green are all arguably better than our best player (Lowry). Adding another all-star would help. Also, JV taking that next step to all-star status would be huge.


Thompson isn't better than Lowry was this year. Not even arguably. Green and Curry arguably yes, but Thompson no. I know Thompson's big scoring outputs in the playoffs are still fresh in people's mind, but overall it's too early to anoint him a top 10 player yet, although he's making his case to get on it soon.

Anyway, it's possible the Warriors are just a bad matchup for Cleveland. Sure, they're not on the Warriors level, but they're probably around the same level as OKC, and if this were OKC vs Cavs in the Finals, I think the games would be a lot closer.

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Post#999 » by LLJ » Tue Jun 7, 2016 5:34 pm

peast wrote:Most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) post of the day, congratulations! Not even arguably...


It really isn't arguable. In terms of impact on the court-- win shares, VORP, offensive and defensive plus and minus. Lowry has it over Klay. And the numbers aren't really close.

Man, for such a lucky fanbase, GS fans still are so insecure. Do some of you guys really go through every forum looking for EVERY mention of GS? Kinda pathetic if you ask me.

I also feel the same about Raps fans who do the same thing though. I know they're out there. But I wouldn't know since I DGAF about other forums' opinions.
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Post#1000 » by floppymoose » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:20 pm

Hi, insecure GSW fan here.

I don't really an opinion on which of Lowry or Thompson had the better season. If folks think it's Lowry that's fine. But I'm more excited about Thompson's future than Lowry's. This is based on Thompson's performance on the toughest stage: his defense on Lebron and Westbrook; his heroics in the OKC series against a very tough team.

It used to be that Klay would only have the big performances against bad teams. But this season he's become able to be a true alpha, excelling even against the best.

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