2017 All Star Game Moved From Charlotte

[Braggins]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDpghAaXT4[/youtube]

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I think the problem most people have seems to be the fact that the Charlotte law allows and man to go hang out in the girls locker room at a Y or gymnastics place and there is nothing anyone can do about it. I thought there was no reason for either law in the first place. I am sure I have been in the restroom with a transgender person before and did not know. If not for the law a creepy guy hanging in a locker room could be kicked out and others wouldn't have been noticed and now it is a pissing contest.

From the CharMeck.org website: http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/nondiscrimination/Pages/default.aspx

What if a person tries to use the law to disguise inappropriate or unlawful activity?

The ordinance does not permit or excuse inappropriate or unlawful activity. The ordinance protects the legitimate use of facilities for transgender persons; it is not an excuse to misuse the law for criminal purposes or even for reasons of convenience.

A business may object to a non-transgender person seeking to use a restroom or changing facility for a false reason. A business may require persons who do not have the protected characteristics of gender identity or gender expression to use the appropriate restroom. A business may also report or remove persons who are engaging in criminal activity.

A business concerned that a non-transgender person is using an inappropriate restroom or changing facility may ask that person to use the appropriate facility. If the person does not comply, the business may contact CMPD to file a trespassing complaint. Such enforcement is not deemed to be discrimination under the ordinance.

Additionally, the North Carolina indecent exposure laws remain valid in restrooms and locker rooms within the City of Charlotte. If a violation of the indecent exposure laws occurs, please contact CMPD.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-190.9.html .

Other folks can debate this, but clearly the "creepy guy hanging" thing was thought about and they tried to address it.

And on another tact: http://www.wral.com/as-attorney-general-gop-clash-spending-on-private-lawyers-skyrockets/15247299/

I'll just note that I miss the more moderate times that bit references when talking about former governors and AGs.

[BeesWax]

I think the problem most people have seems to be the fact that the Charlotte law allows and man to go hang out in the girls locker room at a Y or gymnastics place and there is nothing anyone can do about it. I thought there was no reason for either law in the first place. I am sure I have been in the restroom with a transgender person before and did not know. If not for the law a creepy guy hanging in a locker room could be kicked out and others wouldn't have been noticed and now it is a pissing contest.

From the CharMeck.org website: http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/nondiscrimination/Pages/default.aspx

What if a person tries to use the law to disguise inappropriate or unlawful activity?

The ordinance does not permit or excuse inappropriate or unlawful activity. The ordinance protects the legitimate use of facilities for transgender persons; it is not an excuse to misuse the law for criminal purposes or even for reasons of convenience.

A business may object to a non-transgender person seeking to use a restroom or changing facility for a false reason. A business may require persons who do not have the protected characteristics of gender identity or gender expression to use the appropriate restroom. A business may also report or remove persons who are engaging in criminal activity.

A business concerned that a non-transgender person is using an inappropriate restroom or changing facility may ask that person to use the appropriate facility. If the person does not comply, the business may contact CMPD to file a trespassing complaint. Such enforcement is not deemed to be discrimination under the ordinance.

Additionally, the North Carolina indecent exposure laws remain valid in restrooms and locker rooms within the City of Charlotte. If a violation of the indecent exposure laws occurs, please contact CMPD.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-190.9.html .

Other folks can debate this, but clearly the "creepy guy hanging" thing was thought about and they tried to address it.

And on another tact: http://www.wral.com/as-attorney-general-gop-clash-spending-on-private-lawyers-skyrockets/15247299/

I'll just note that I miss the more moderate times that bit references when talking about former governors and AGs.

Yes but did the problem not arise that there is no way to prove transgender? The law just opened a can of worms and the second law opened it even more. If nothing is ever passed everyone could have gone on living and nobody would have been the wiser. Also the second law allows private businesses to do whatever they want to I thought. Either way this has become a two wrongs don't make a right type of situation and this is where we ended up.

[BeesWax]

I thought there was no reason for either law in the first place.

This is kind of how I feel. I didn't see much of a need for the original law (maybe I'm just ignorant of the issue), but if people had legitimate issue with some of the implications with the law as it was written then they could have started by trying to improve it to prevent some of the things they were worried about. I don't think it is a big deal to pass a pointless bathroom ordinance as long as it isn't causing any further issues, but it seems like the over the top response from most of the people opposed to it has way more to do with bigotry and homophobia than legitimate concerns about some of the implications of how the law was worded.

If something about the original ordinance actually did start to cause problems with people creeping in bathrooms or locker rooms then they could try to fix it or add some anti-creeper clause or something that makes it within the law to ask people who are actively behaving in an unacceptable way to politely to finish there business and leave. You don't have to deny anyone access or make anyone prove their gender or anything like that. If someone uses the facilities for their intended purposes and isn't actively behaving in an unacceptable manner (loitering, invading peoples personal space, making unwanted advances or using inappropriate language, etc) then there won't be any issue, but if anyone is doing any of those things then you can ask them to finish their business and stop doing whatever inappropriate thing they were doing, regardless of their gender (perceived or actual).

I feel like there has to be some kind of middle ground here, but regardless, this entire thing kind of seem like the PC police and homophobes going to war over nothing. I can see why people are picking sides at this point as I am guilty of this myself, but I find it very disheartening that it ever got to this point.

I know a number of people that are not homophobes that did not like the broadness of the first law. There was an issue of the inability to prove the subject that left a loophole for people to crawl through. I just don't understand why it got to this point other than the two sides refuse to talk to each other and do things just to piss the other off. I can see the argument about the inability to prove the law but also the need for transgender people to be able to use the bathroom safely.

I don't think you can wait for someone to cause a problem before you fix issues because by then a kid or woman has been hurt. I just want to know more about why there was a need for the law in the first place other than PC garbage. Was it really a major problem for people before the law?

[JDR720]

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[Braggins]

http://abcnews.com.co/michael-jordan-hb2-goes-or-the-charlotte-hornets-go/

[Marino]

http://abcnews.com.co/michael-jordan-hb2-goes-or-the-charlotte-hornets-go/

That's a fake news story.

[JDR720]

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[yosemiteben]

Sporting News NBA ‏@sn_nba 59m59 minutes ago
NBA sets deadline for N.C. to make changes to HB2 for 2017 All-Star Game http://dlvr.it/LT7rr7

Nothing really new in the piece, says a general "end of the summer" deadline. I do appreciate that he seems to be active in trying to work out a solution.

“I'd say there is absolutely strong interest in trying to work something out,” Silver said (via USA Today). “Both sides of the issue recognize, however heartfelt their views are, that the current state of being is causing enormous economic damage to the state. I think they realize that we very much would like to play next year's All-Star Game in North Carolina, as I've said before.

“We, of course, have a team in Charlotte, North Carolina. So we as a league want to make sure there is an environment where the LGBT community feels protected down in North Carolina.”

[spaceballer]

Well, if they stick to the "deadline", then at least we'll have a resolution and decision on the issue by the end of the summer, I suppose. So it won't drag in as a lingering concern into the season.

[yosemiteben]

Well, if they stick to the "deadline", then at least we'll have a resolution and decision on the issue by the end of the summer, I suppose. So it won't drag in as a lingering concern into the season.

I don't think as a practical matter that is a risk anyway, they'll need to line up an alternative city and I'm sure they don't want to announce a change during the regular season.

[fatlever]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/charles-barkley---we-need-to-move-the-all-star-game--if-hb2-stays-182331451.html

Barkley getting involved now

“Yes. I told my boss, I don’t want to act like I’m jumping on a sword, but I’ve talked to (NBA Commissioner) Adam Silver, we need to move the All-Star Game … I hope they don’t put me in a situation where I have to boycott the All-Star Game, we need to move the All-Star Game.”

[SWedd523]

Yeah, like Barkley's big dumb ass has any clue what's happening politically in NC

[Eoghan]

Barkley is a proud, card-carrying member of the Democratic Party. They say jump and he says "how high?"

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Barkley is a proud, card-carrying member of the Democratic Party. They say jump and he says "how high?"

Um....

You do know that Barkley was a Republican for many years. He spoke frequently about it. Considered running for office as one.

Currently he's a registered independent. While he leans democratic on some issues like gay rights, it's not so much on others. Fairly recently he supported John Kasich for example.

[LofJ]

Barkley is a proud, card-carrying member of the Democratic Party. They say jump and he says "how high?"

Swap Barkley out with the NBA and I'd agree with you.

North Carolina is the epicenter of the fight between the two parties because the state is closer than any to turning from red to blue. It's probably a factor in why the NBA and Silver decided to pick this fight. Don't forget that the 2012 Democratic National Convention was held in Charlotte. The Republican party has been heavily concentrating their resources here in an effort to hold onto the state since 2008. They've been winning pretty convincingly ever since then.

There are a lot of politics in play here, and unfortunately the state is really suffering because of it.

Edit: The whole country is suffering, but it has been especially harsh to NC.

[rallydurham]

Yeah this whole thing has gotten ridiculous. The law itself made some sense not letting cities overrule state law. But this whole bathroom inclusion has made it a political hot button issue and they're making the entire piece of legislation into a LGBT thing

[Eoghan]

Barkley is a proud, card-carrying member of the Democratic Party. They say jump and he says "how high?"

Um....

You do know that Barkley was a Republican for many years. He spoke frequently about it. Considered running for office as one.

Currently he's a registered independent. While he leans democratic on some issues like gay rights, it's not so much on others. Fairly recently he supported John Kasich for example.

He routinely falls over himself in praise over his boy, Obama. You cannot like Obama in any capacity and still be considered remotely conservative.


Kasich sucks.

[fatlever]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article86419362.html

NC House leadership drafts HB2 changes amid pressure from NBA

Proposal could help the league keep the All-Star Game in Charlotte

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article86419362.html#storylink=cpy

[yosemiteben]

I will be extremely impressed with Adam Silver if they pull this off.