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If Okafor is traded for the 3rd pick, who do you want most?

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Who would you take at 3 if the pick is obtained?

Bender
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Brown
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6%
Dunn
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42%
Ellenson
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1%
Hield
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9%
Murray
38
28%
Other
2
1%
 
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Re: If Okafor is traded for the 3rd pick, who do you want most? 

Post#101 » by Worm122 » Wed Jun 8, 2016 11:23 pm

Arsenal wrote:This is a hard decision. I really like Dunn. However if I was convinced that he can play PG, then I might go for Murray. He's just such a sick shooter as an 18 year old freshman that it can't be overlooked. Imagine how good he can be in 5 years assuming he keeps working hard and improving (no reason to think he won't)? At SG he is undersized, however at PG he has good size and should be at least adequate on defense.

His freshman year stats are very similar to Stephen Curry. Even if he is a poor man's Curry for us, that could be an epic pairing with Simmons and Embiid.

He didn't show much in terms of PG skills this year, however they had Tyler Ulis at PG. Has anyone watched him before Kentucky - can he play PG?

I have no interest in Buddy HIeld. He might be a very good player, but I think Murray has much more upside if we want a "shooter".


Another factor for Murray he has international experience and will play in the olympics for the Canada, so he will be much more developed than the other players
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Post#102 » by Kobblehead » Wed Jun 8, 2016 11:25 pm

Murray is not a distributor. He doesn't flash any PG instincts like court vision, creative passing ability, etc.
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Post#103 » by eagereyez » Wed Jun 8, 2016 11:29 pm

HotelVitale wrote:It's an overstatement to say Dunn is a 'poor' shooter; he's head and shoulders above guys like Rondo that you really don't have to guard at all beyond 15 ft. His %s were fine the last two years, they just weren't great and show that shooting isn't going to be one of his main weapons. (His mechanics are fine, too.) Sort of like saying that Okafor's passing is terrible now--he wasn't very good at it this year but he seems capable of making it a decent tool that will help round out the rest of his game (not the best example but you get the point). You shouldn't expect a deadeye guy but you shouldn't disqualify him by creating a caricature of a totally broken shooter.

Rondo is the worst shooting PG in the league. Being a better shooter than Rondo doesn't mean that you aren't a poor shooter, it just means that you aren't the worst. His percentages in college are below average compared to NBA PG's, who are normally good to great shooters in college. He will be a below average shooter for the PG position in the NBA; a poor shooter.
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Post#104 » by sixerswillrule » Wed Jun 8, 2016 11:33 pm

Arsenal wrote:This is a hard decision. I really like Dunn. However if I was convinced that he can play PG, then I might go for Murray. He's just such a sick shooter as an 18 year old freshman that it can't be overlooked. Imagine how good he can be in 5 years assuming he keeps working hard and improving (no reason to think he won't)? At SG he is undersized, however at PG he has good size and should be at least adequate on defense.

His freshman year stats are very similar to Stephen Curry. Even if he is a poor man's Curry for us, that could be an epic pairing with Simmons and Embiid.

He didn't show much in terms of PG skills this year, however they had Tyler Ulis at PG. Has anyone watched him before Kentucky - can he play PG?

I have no interest in Buddy HIeld. He might be a very good player, but I think Murray has much more upside if we want a "shooter".


That would be the benefit of having Simmons. An undersized SG like Murray could work at PG. Say we sign Fournier. Murray/Fournier/Covington/Simmons/Noel looks pretty good. Or Murray/Fournier/Simmons/Saric/Embiid. I'm more concerned about him defending PGs though. Also I'm not sure if Murray is the right pick at #3, or worth trading Okafor for.
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Post#105 » by Easymoney » Wed Jun 8, 2016 11:53 pm

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Easymoney wrote:Trading for Hield is a gamble I am willing to take with Noel because our team upside would just be so much better if Hield is even 75% of the shooter he was in college. As many here already know, I am a huge advocate for building this team from the inside out. I feel that incredible talent and depth down low will open up the 3pt shot for us to get efficient looks from the behind the line. A guy like Hield could make teams pay for doubling us inside and on Simmons drives.

He will be getting 5-7 open looks a night from us that he didn't get in college. If he could continue to shoot around the 44% range for us, we'd really be able to make teams pay. I also like his ability to shoot off the dribble and I think it can used off screens from our big bodies like Embiid, Okafor, and Simmons in a similar way GSW do for Curry. I imagine a screen from Embiid on these smaller guys will be devastating and give Buddy great open looks.



I understand the fit Hield would provide with the Sixers taking kick out 3 pointers. I get that. But what makes him better than other shooters? We have Hollis Thompson who shoots 40% from 3 and everyone thinks Thompson is a bum. He doesn't play defense. He can't drive to the basket. He can't make a play.

If Hield is 75% of the shooter he was in college, he would shoot .343 from the 3 point line. Pedestrian by NBA standards. If he shot around the 44% range as you suggest that would make him on Stephen Curry's level, basically the best shooter in the game. Are you going to assume Hield is going to turn into one of the top shooters in the league? That's a big leap of faith IMO.

But people say Hield has developed his dribbling and driving. Yeah well he's going to be playing against better - faster, stronger, bigger - players in the NBA. Will he be able to drive and finish on them?

I'm not saying Hield couldn't turn into what you think he can, but it is not like it is a no brainer that he will. There are enough doubts and mitigating factors that make me wonder what the big deal is.He is not such a lock to be great for me to give up Noel.


When i said 75% I didn't mean that literally. My bad lol.


Worse case scenario he's a 40% 3pt shooting guard in our starting lineup. I value that far more for our team than Noel being our backup C. If Hield shot 44% from 3 in the NBA on our team, he wouldn't be on Curry's level if you used context when evaluating him. Curry draws the most attention on his team and makes a lot of contested 3s. Hield, on the our team, would be getting a lot more open looks because of the attention Embiid/Okafor/Simmons would draw. As a result, I would not put him on Curry's level if he shot 44% for our team.

Noel is a nice piece, but not so good that I wouldn't give him up to make Embiid/Okafor/Simmons work. If we got Hield we would already have atleast 1 guy in the backcourt who could make teams pay for doubling. In next years draft I would use our picks to add the same depth to our backcourt that we have in our front court and I would draft as many great shooters as possible.
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Post#106 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 9, 2016 12:11 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
Arsenal wrote:This is a hard decision. I really like Dunn. However if I was convinced that he can play PG, then I might go for Murray. He's just such a sick shooter as an 18 year old freshman that it can't be overlooked. Imagine how good he can be in 5 years assuming he keeps working hard and improving (no reason to think he won't)? At SG he is undersized, however at PG he has good size and should be at least adequate on defense.

His freshman year stats are very similar to Stephen Curry. Even if he is a poor man's Curry for us, that could be an epic pairing with Simmons and Embiid.

He didn't show much in terms of PG skills this year, however they had Tyler Ulis at PG. Has anyone watched him before Kentucky - can he play PG?

I have no interest in Buddy HIeld. He might be a very good player, but I think Murray has much more upside if we want a "shooter".


That would be the benefit of having Simmons. An undersized SG like Murray could work at PG. Say we sign Fournier. Murray/Fournier/Covington/Simmons/Noel looks pretty good. Or Murray/Fournier/Simmons/Saric/Embiid. I'm more concerned about him defending PGs though. Also I'm not sure if Murray is the right pick at #3, or worth trading Okafor for.


I like Evan Fournier for us, but I think he pairs much better with Kris Dunn as opposed to Jamal Murray. If we end up with Murray, I'd want more of a 3&D guy at SG e.g. Courtney Lee, Danny Green, etc.
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Post#107 » by sixerswillrule » Thu Jun 9, 2016 12:16 am

Arsenal wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
Arsenal wrote:This is a hard decision. I really like Dunn. However if I was convinced that he can play PG, then I might go for Murray. He's just such a sick shooter as an 18 year old freshman that it can't be overlooked. Imagine how good he can be in 5 years assuming he keeps working hard and improving (no reason to think he won't)? At SG he is undersized, however at PG he has good size and should be at least adequate on defense.

His freshman year stats are very similar to Stephen Curry. Even if he is a poor man's Curry for us, that could be an epic pairing with Simmons and Embiid.

He didn't show much in terms of PG skills this year, however they had Tyler Ulis at PG. Has anyone watched him before Kentucky - can he play PG?

I have no interest in Buddy HIeld. He might be a very good player, but I think Murray has much more upside if we want a "shooter".


That would be the benefit of having Simmons. An undersized SG like Murray could work at PG. Say we sign Fournier. Murray/Fournier/Covington/Simmons/Noel looks pretty good. Or Murray/Fournier/Simmons/Saric/Embiid. I'm more concerned about him defending PGs though. Also I'm not sure if Murray is the right pick at #3, or worth trading Okafor for.


I like Evan Fournier for us, but I think he pairs much better with Kris Dunn as opposed to Jamal Murray. If we end up with Murray, I'd want more of a 3&D guy at SG e.g. Courtney Lee, Danny Green, etc.


Fournier was just in example, though if Murray is slotted at PG, I think we'll need another perimeter player with some ball-handling and playmaking ability to provide further help to Simmons. If Saric can continue to shoot well, a Simmons/Saric forward duo could work. In which case a 3&D guy at SG would be fine.
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Post#108 » by rzzzzz » Thu Jun 9, 2016 12:17 am

Easymoney wrote:
Noel is a nice piece, but not so good that I wouldn't give him up to make Embiid/Okafor/Simmons work. If we got Hield we would already have atleast 1 guy in the backcourt who could make teams pay for doubling. In next years draft I would use our picks to add the same depth to our backcourt that we have in our front court and I would draft as many great shooters as possible.


Hield/Murray. (i'd love to also pick up Richardson/Baldwin.) and i hope Saric is on the way, 'cause he's been shooting crazy good from downtown.
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Post#109 » by ET Da Gawd » Thu Jun 9, 2016 12:29 am

I'm def sure you guys don't watch college ball, Murray isn't even in the same caliber of player as Kris Dunn, kid was on a loaded team in a weak conference and towards the end of the year he got exposed with his lack of isolation moves


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Post#110 » by NYSixersFan » Thu Jun 9, 2016 12:43 am

If starting a team from scratch, I would rather have Dunn....if drafting Simmons #1, I'd rather have Murray
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Post#111 » by LloydFree » Thu Jun 9, 2016 12:49 am

Even in a weak draft like this, Murray shouldn't be discussed as a possible 3rd pick. I don't know why this yearly obsession with one dimensional shooters in the top of the draft.
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Post#112 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Jun 9, 2016 4:11 am

ET Da Gawd wrote:I'm def sure you guys don't watch college ball, Murray isn't even in the same caliber of player as Kris Dunn, kid was on a loaded team in a weak conference and towards the end of the year he got exposed with his lack of isolation moves


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Post#113 » by Agnostifarian » Thu Jun 9, 2016 2:37 pm

LloydFree wrote:Even in a weak draft like this, Murray shouldn't be discussed as a possible 3rd pick. I don't know why this yearly obsession with one dimensional shooters in the top of the draft.


Maybe because everyone slept on Booker last year?
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Post#114 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jun 9, 2016 2:43 pm

Why does Devin Booker have a universal stamp of approval, all the sudden?

His rookie year went pretty much as everyone that studied him pre-draft expected it to go. He was a solid catch and shoot player that didn't defend a lick. His VORP and +/- metrics were awful.
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Post#115 » by phiphan » Thu Jun 9, 2016 2:48 pm

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ET Da Gawd wrote:I'm def sure you guys don't watch college ball, Murray isn't even in the same caliber of player as Kris Dunn, kid was on a loaded team in a weak conference and towards the end of the year he got exposed with his lack of isolation moves


Your arrogance lately is disgusting.


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Post#116 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Jun 9, 2016 2:48 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Why does Devin Booker have a universal stamp of approval, all the sudden?

His rookie year went pretty much as everyone that studied him pre-draft expected it to go. He was a solid catch and shoot player that didn't defend a lick. His VORP and +/- metrics were awful.


I think people are enamored with trying to find the next Klay Thompson.
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Post#117 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jun 9, 2016 2:56 pm

Thinking Klay is unique or extraordinary is another thing I can't quite comprehend.

Klay is a 1.62 VORP per year starter that just happens to play next to Steph Curry. Extract him from that situation and he's more than likely an Eric Gordon or Bradley Beal.
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Post#118 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu Jun 9, 2016 4:02 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Why does Devin Booker have a universal stamp of approval, all the sudden?

His rookie year went pretty much as everyone that studied him pre-draft expected it to go. He was a solid catch and shoot player that didn't defend a lick. His VORP and +/- metrics were awful.


Would you trade Okafor for Booker? I know the Suns wouldn't.
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Post#119 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jun 9, 2016 4:24 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Why does Devin Booker have a universal stamp of approval, all the sudden?

His rookie year went pretty much as everyone that studied him pre-draft expected it to go. He was a solid catch and shoot player that didn't defend a lick. His VORP and +/- metrics were awful.


Would you trade Okafor for Booker? I know the Suns wouldn't.

I'd rather have Knight and #4.

The Suns overvalue Booker. Then again, you could say the same thing about our fanbase with Okafor.
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Post#120 » by LloydFree » Thu Jun 9, 2016 4:31 pm

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LloydFree wrote:Even in a weak draft like this, Murray shouldn't be discussed as a possible 3rd pick. I don't know why this yearly obsession with one dimensional shooters in the top of the draft.


Maybe because everyone slept on Booker last year?

A player like Devin Booker shouldn't be in consideration for #3 pick either. There is a Devin Booker, Jamaal Murray, Nick Stauskas type available every year. Better yet, you can sign JJ Reddick off the FA wire every other year for the MLE. A team picking in the top 3 needs 'building blocks', not 'help-dudes'.
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