Around the NBA Thread: 2015-16 (2.0)

[tlee324]

This doesn't look good for Kevin Love at all. Wouldn't play him at all in Game 4.

Man, it's weird, the guy is just probably not a winning player. As some1 wrote he's David Lee, when you look at his stats, you're like this guy is a star, then when he's on the court, his team is getting bashed... He just can't play defense and the fact he's limited offensively by the way the Cavs' team is built, makes it even worse. After these series the Cavs will have a pretty tough time getting any value in a Love trade. And he has many years left on his deal... at the max.

I looked at the C's giving up big money to acquire Love the same as acquiring Melo. An overpriced player that would not get past the second round. We could do that already without overpaying a fantasy-league hero. If we're giving up big money, we should get significantly better as a team overall.... Love, like Melo, isn't that big of a difference-maker, IMO, and he's not a player that will be the leader of a legit contender. Not sure if many share the same opinion, though.

[TheOGJabroni]

Man, it's weird, the guy is just probably not a winning player. As some1 wrote he's David Lee, when you look at his stats, you're like this guy is a star, then when he's on the court, his team is getting bashed... He just can't play defense and the fact he's limited offensively by the way the Cavs' team is built, makes it even worse. After these series the Cavs will have a pretty tough time getting any value in a Love trade. And he has many years left on his deal... at the max.

I looked at the C's giving up big money to acquire Love the same as acquiring Melo. An overpriced player that would not get past the second round. We could do that already without overpaying a fantasy-league hero. If we're giving up big money, we should get significantly better as a team overall.... Love, like Melo, isn't that big of a difference-maker, IMO, and he's not a player that will be the leader of a legit contender. Not sure if many share the same opinion, though.

I think he's a guy that can be on a successful team with a role somewhere in between what he has now in Cleveland and what he had with Minnesota. If he's your #2 guy, and IT #3, when you find that #1 guy (Kevin Durant), and fill two-way role players that are defensive minded around them (which we already have in Bradley, Smart & Crowder), I think we're just missing a big that can protect the rim. I've suggested it before but I think we should do what we can to acquire Noel.

It's not like Steph Curry is some amazing defensive player but he has capable two-way role players around him, like Barnes, Green, Iguodala, etc. To me, that's what separates the Warriors from other teams like Cleveland for instance. LeBron James' formulated teams generally have one tricky pony role players that get exposed. The Warriors really don't.

IT / Smart
Bradley
Durant / Crowder
Love / Jerebko
Noel / Olynyk

I think this 9 man rotation could be dangerous.

[mab2039]

Man, it's weird, the guy is just probably not a winning player. As some1 wrote he's David Lee, when you look at his stats, you're like this guy is a star, then when he's on the court, his team is getting bashed... He just can't play defense and the fact he's limited offensively by the way the Cavs' team is built, makes it even worse. After these series the Cavs will have a pretty tough time getting any value in a Love trade. And he has many years left on his deal... at the max.

I looked at the C's giving up big money to acquire Love the same as acquiring Melo. An overpriced player that would not get past the second round. We could do that already without overpaying a fantasy-league hero. If we're giving up big money, we should get significantly better as a team overall.... Love, like Melo, isn't that big of a difference-maker, IMO, and he's not a player that will be the leader of a legit contender. Not sure if many share the same opinion, though.

I think he's a guy that can be on a successful team with a role somewhere in between what he has now in Cleveland and what he had with Minnesota. If he's your #2 guy, and IT #3, when you find that #1 guy (Kevin Durant), and fill two-way role players that are defensive minded around them (which we already have in Bradley, Smart & Crowder), I think we're just missing a big that can protect the rim. I've suggested it before but I think we should do what we can to acquire Noel.

It's not like Steph Curry is some amazing defensive player but he has capable two-way role players around him, like Barnes, Green, Iguodala, etc. To me, that's what separates the Warriors from other teams like Cleveland for instance. LeBron James' formulated teams generally have one tricky pony role players that get exposed. The Warriors really don't.

IT / Smart
Bradley
Durant / Crowder
Love / Jerebko
Noel / Olynyk

I think this 9 man rotation could be dangerous.

And i assume you will be trading peanuts for Love, right?

[bucknersrevenge]

I say Sign and trade Sully and KO for whatever we can get and then just load up on talent in the draft (Bender, Prince, Qi, Dunham, etc)

[TheOGJabroni]

I looked at the C's giving up big money to acquire Love the same as acquiring Melo. An overpriced player that would not get past the second round. We could do that already without overpaying a fantasy-league hero. If we're giving up big money, we should get significantly better as a team overall.... Love, like Melo, isn't that big of a difference-maker, IMO, and he's not a player that will be the leader of a legit contender. Not sure if many share the same opinion, though.

I think he's a guy that can be on a successful team with a role somewhere in between what he has now in Cleveland and what he had with Minnesota. If he's your #2 guy, and IT #3, when you find that #1 guy (Kevin Durant), and fill two-way role players that are defensive minded around them (which we already have in Bradley, Smart & Crowder), I think we're just missing a big that can protect the rim. I've suggested it before but I think we should do what we can to acquire Noel.

It's not like Steph Curry is some amazing defensive player but he has capable two-way role players around him, like Barnes, Green, Iguodala, etc. To me, that's what separates the Warriors from other teams like Cleveland for instance. LeBron James' formulated teams generally have one tricky pony role players that get exposed. The Warriors really don't.

IT / Smart
Bradley
Durant / Crowder
Love / Jerebko
Noel / Olynyk

I think this 9 man rotation could be dangerous.

And i assume you will be trading peanuts for Love, right?

#3 pick to NY, Melo to Cleveland, Love to Boston has been my thought.

[mab2039]

I think he's a guy that can be on a successful team with a role somewhere in between what he has now in Cleveland and what he had with Minnesota. If he's your #2 guy, and IT #3, when you find that #1 guy (Kevin Durant), and fill two-way role players that are defensive minded around them (which we already have in Bradley, Smart & Crowder), I think we're just missing a big that can protect the rim. I've suggested it before but I think we should do what we can to acquire Noel.

It's not like Steph Curry is some amazing defensive player but he has capable two-way role players around him, like Barnes, Green, Iguodala, etc. To me, that's what separates the Warriors from other teams like Cleveland for instance. LeBron James' formulated teams generally have one tricky pony role players that get exposed. The Warriors really don't.

IT / Smart
Bradley
Durant / Crowder
Love / Jerebko
Noel / Olynyk

I think this 9 man rotation could be dangerous.

And i assume you will be trading peanuts for Love, right?

#3 pick to NY, Melo to Cleveland, Love to Boston has been my thought.

Oh so next years Nets pick for Noel? Or do you assume you are going to get Noel for all the mid first round pick for this year. Yeah, i dont think its happening.

[TheOGJabroni]

And i assume you will be trading peanuts for Love, right?

#3 pick to NY, Melo to Cleveland, Love to Boston has been my thought.

Oh so next years Nets pick for Noel? Or do you assume you are going to get Noel for all the mid first round pick for this year. Yeah, i dont think its happening.

Noel is on the trade block. I'm not saying we're getting him for nothing but the Celtics have so many picks to make a potential trade work. I'm sorry if you're upset that you went onto the Celtics board and found posters trying to scheme up ways to pry KD away. FWIW, if he doesn't leave OKC for Boston, I hope he stays.

[mab2039]

#3 pick to NY, Melo to Cleveland, Love to Boston has been my thought.

Oh so next years Nets pick for Noel? Or do you assume you are going to get Noel for all the mid first round pick for this year. Yeah, i dont think its happening.

Noel is on the trade block. I'm not saying we're getting him for nothing but the Celtics have so many picks to make a potential trade work. I'm sorry if you're upset that you went onto the Celtics board and found posters trying to scheme up ways to pry KD away. FWIW, if he doesn't leave OKC for Boston, I hope he stays.

Even if KD left, i wouldnt be upset. He gave 7-8 years to OKC and nobody has the right to tell him where to go. He is a proffessional and he can go where he wants to go. Yes ofcourse Celtics have many picks but 76ers are not trading Noel for mid first round picks at all.

[TheOGJabroni]

Oh so next years Nets pick for Noel? Or do you assume you are going to get Noel for all the mid first round pick for this year. Yeah, i dont think its happening.

Noel is on the trade block. I'm not saying we're getting him for nothing but the Celtics have so many picks to make a potential trade work. I'm sorry if you're upset that you went onto the Celtics board and found posters trying to scheme up ways to pry KD away. FWIW, if he doesn't leave OKC for Boston, I hope he stays.

Even if KD left, i wouldnt be upset. He gave 7-8 years to OKC and nobody has the right to tell him where to go. He is a proffessional and he can go where he wants to go. Yes ofcourse Celtics have many picks but 76ers are not trading Noel for mid first round picks at all.

I didn't necessarily say a mid first round pick. They could offer a future Nets pick if we got something additional in return. I really have no idea exactly, I'm just saying getting Noel isn't impossible and that he would be a nice fit with our team, that's all.

[bucknersrevenge]

And i assume you will be trading peanuts for Love, right?

#3 pick to NY, Melo to Cleveland, Love to Boston has been my thought.

Oh so next years Nets pick for Noel? Or do you assume you are going to get Noel for all the mid first round pick for this year. Yeah, i dont think its happening.

I might be persuaded to trade Smart for Noel. That might round out our team a little better.

IT/AB/Bae/Noel/Amir

with JJ, Rozzay, RJ, and KO (unless he gets moved)

Barring other upgrades, I think we're an improved team from an efficiency standpoint offensively without losing too much in terms of defensive versatility. And that's without including any upcoming draft picks.

[TheOGJabroni]

#3 pick to NY, Melo to Cleveland, Love to Boston has been my thought.

Oh so next years Nets pick for Noel? Or do you assume you are going to get Noel for all the mid first round pick for this year. Yeah, i dont think its happening.

I might be persuaded to trade Smart for Noel. That might round out our team a little better.

IT/AB/Bae/Noel/Amir

with JJ, Rozzay, RJ, and KO (unless he gets moved)

Barring other upgrades, I think we're an improved team from an efficiency standpoint offensively without losing too much in terms of defensive versatility. And that's without including any upcoming draft picks.

With the big upgrades in mind, I don't mind this proposal. Not sure I like it better but I'd certainly pull the trigger. By itself though, I'm not sure I'd do it. We could just sign Whiteside/Ezeli and not give up Smart.

[ConstableGeneva]

Have Cavs fans forgiven Olynyk for dislocating Love's shoulder yet? Will Harrison Barnes' number be retired in Cleveland if Love never gets back into the series and Cavs end up winning it all?

[truth18]

The Jump was great today. Pierce, Carter and McGrady. Paul sounds like he might retire. He should.

[DarkAzcura]

I looked at the C's giving up big money to acquire Love the same as acquiring Melo. An overpriced player that would not get past the second round. We could do that already without overpaying a fantasy-league hero. If we're giving up big money, we should get significantly better as a team overall.... Love, like Melo, isn't that big of a difference-maker, IMO, and he's not a player that will be the leader of a legit contender. Not sure if many share the same opinion, though.

I think he's a guy that can be on a successful team with a role somewhere in between what he has now in Cleveland and what he had with Minnesota. If he's your #2 guy, and IT #3, when you find that #1 guy (Kevin Durant), and fill two-way role players that are defensive minded around them (which we already have in Bradley, Smart & Crowder), I think we're just missing a big that can protect the rim. I've suggested it before but I think we should do what we can to acquire Noel.

It's not like Steph Curry is some amazing defensive player but he has capable two-way role players around him, like Barnes, Green, Iguodala, etc. To me, that's what separates the Warriors from other teams like Cleveland for instance. LeBron James' formulated teams generally have one tricky pony role players that get exposed. The Warriors really don't.

IT / Smart
Bradley
Durant / Crowder
Love / Jerebko
Noel / Olynyk

I think this 9 man rotation could be dangerous.

And i assume you will be trading peanuts for Love, right?

I'm pretty sure that trade is the Melo-Love-#3 swap that is spoken about every now and then so it's not exactly "peanuts."

[165bows]

Have Cavs fans forgiven Olynyk for dislocating Love's shoulder yet? Will Harrison Barnes' number be retired in Cleveland if Love never gets back into the series and Cavs end up winning it all?

Yeah KO is a big winner here in this Finals so far. Under rated sub plot is less KO death threats from Ohio.

[165bows]

Man, it's weird, the guy is just probably not a winning player. As some1 wrote he's David Lee, when you look at his stats, you're like this guy is a star, then when he's on the court, his team is getting bashed... He just can't play defense and the fact he's limited offensively by the way the Cavs' team is built, makes it even worse. After these series the Cavs will have a pretty tough time getting any value in a Love trade. And he has many years left on his deal... at the max.

I looked at the C's giving up big money to acquire Love the same as acquiring Melo. An overpriced player that would not get past the second round. We could do that already without overpaying a fantasy-league hero. If we're giving up big money, we should get significantly better as a team overall.... Love, like Melo, isn't that big of a difference-maker, IMO, and he's not a player that will be the leader of a legit contender. Not sure if many share the same opinion, though.

Those guys (I'd add Cousins there as well) are best at getting a team from around30 to 45-50 wins. So those guys were a lot more attractive when this was, you know, a 30 win team.

Now they are in big game hunting mode. Different set of guys to go from 50 wins to 60.

[31to6]

It's wayyyyy too easy to get Green's panties in a bunch. KG would have had a field day with this kid.

KG from 5-6 years ago, would've owned Green's soul. KG is too big, too athletic, too long and too skilled. Green would get abused physically and mentally(verbally).

Talk of Draymond as a top 10 player has been troubling. Really good and valuable? Definitely. But if he's a top player in our league our league really *is* in a dip right now (not sure that I agree with the Stars Of The 90s/00s that it is).

[London2Boston]

The Jump was great today. Pierce, Carter and McGrady. Paul sounds like he might retire. He should.

Yeah. I'm sure he has a Front Office/coaching job waiting for him here as soon as he decides to call it a day.

[galipeautim]

I think he's a guy that can be on a successful team with a role somewhere in between what he has now in Cleveland and what he had with Minnesota. If he's your #2 guy, and IT #3, when you find that #1 guy (Kevin Durant), and fill two-way role players that are defensive minded around them (which we already have in Bradley, Smart & Crowder), I think we're just missing a big that can protect the rim. I've suggested it before but I think we should do what we can to acquire Noel.

It's not like Steph Curry is some amazing defensive player but he has capable two-way role players around him, like Barnes, Green, Iguodala, etc. To me, that's what separates the Warriors from other teams like Cleveland for instance. LeBron James' formulated teams generally have one tricky pony role players that get exposed. The Warriors really don't.

IT / Smart
Bradley
Durant / Crowder
Love / Jerebko
Noel / Olynyk

I think this 9 man rotation could be dangerous.

And i assume you will be trading peanuts for Love, right?

I'm pretty sure that trade is the Melo-Love-#3 swap that is spoken about every now and then so it's not exactly "peanuts."

Love might be at an all-time low in terms of his trade value, but he is still worth considerably more than the #3 pick in this draft. Wiggins was one of the best prospects ever to enter the NBA and they gave up on basically 7 guaranteed years of him. Even a significant drop in value for Love would require both a high draft pick and a good young player to pry him away.

[Andrew McCeltic]

It's wayyyyy too easy to get Green's panties in a bunch. KG would have had a field day with this kid.

KG from 5-6 years ago, would've owned Green's soul. KG is too big, too athletic, too long and too skilled. Green would get abused physically and mentally(verbally).

Talk of Draymond as a top 10 player has been troubling. Really good and valuable? Definitely. But if he's a top player in our league our league really *is* in a dip right now (not sure that I agree with the Stars Of The 90s/00s that it is).

Green's a square peg in a square hole, he's getting hype for his defensive impact and his role for the Warriors. Whether he's actually top 10 or if he's analytics-Grantland top 10, I don't know.. No one's figured out yet if those are the same thing. Was Rodman a top 10 player with the Bulls?