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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#1001 » by Mystical Apples » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:10 pm

tonman wrote: Which is my point but you miss the flexibility point. Lin goes you need a backup point and guard unless you say Jorge or Harrison and Daniels with Lamb are going to be your bench. So now you have to decide who and how much. Yes you could use the mle to bring a vet but you could also do that for Marv because we have frank or Lee because of mkg or al because we already have Cody and Hawes. Sure make trades we can always do that. Point is lin fills a few needs of point, off guard, facilitator, vet, intangibles, scorer, 6th man. Not debating your cap logic just you are over simplifying Lin's impact and replaceability.


I'm looking at it as a business owner. Lin can be individually versatile while his contract simultaneously limits Charlotte's overall flexibility to maximize the rules of the CBA. Basically, signing Lin with cap space signifies surrendering 1, if not 2, additional high value assets in order to fill a 15-20 minute need.

- Signing Backup PG X with $8M in created cap space requires renouncing Bird Rights for Al and 1 of Courtney or Marvin...or renouncing Al and dumping some combination of Hawes, Lamb, Harrison, and pick #22.

- Signing Backup PG X requires surrendering the full MLE because Charlotte dipped under the soft cap to do so.

- Signing Backup PG X removes $8M out of the $16-17M in cap space Charlotte presumably cleared for their center. Which would suck because quality centers for $7M don't exist, unfortunately compounded by CHA renouncing Al's Bird Rights.

vs.......

Lin maximizing his earning potential elsewhere, CHA trading for a cheaper backup PG clearing cap room in the process, rolling quarters into a crisp FA center dollar bill, then doubling back for Marvin, Lee, and Batum using their Bird Rights to exceed the soft cap.

Kemba, Cheaper Backup PG X, Lee, Batum, MKG, Marvin, Frank, Cody, FA center X, and pick #22 is a lineup almost every franchise would be happy with. It's also 1-2 additional appealing trade chips otherwise unavailable without Bird Rights or maximizing cap space should it be cleared.
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Post#1002 » by tonman » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:30 pm

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tonman wrote: Which is my point but you miss the flexibility point. Lin goes you need a backup point and guard unless you say Jorge or Harrison and Daniels with Lamb are going to be your bench. So now you have to decide who and how much. Yes you could use the mle to bring a vet but you could also do that for Marv because we have frank or Lee because of mkg or al because we already have Cody and Hawes. Sure make trades we can always do that. Point is lin fills a few needs of point, off guard, facilitator, vet, intangibles, scorer, 6th man. Not debating your cap logic just you are over simplifying Lin's impact and replaceability.


I'm looking at it as a business owner. Lin can be individually versatile while his contract simultaneously limits Charlotte's overall flexibility to maximize the rules of the CBA. Basically, signing Lin with cap space signifies surrendering 1, if not 2, additional high value assets in order to fill a 15-20 minute need.

- Signing Backup PG X with $8M in created cap space requires renouncing Bird Rights for Al and 1 of Courtney or Marvin...or renouncing Al and dumping some combination of Hawes, Lamb, Harrison, and pick #22.

- Signing Backup PG X requires surrendering the full MLE because Charlotte dipped under the soft cap to do so.

- Signing Backup PG X removes $8M out of the $16-17M in cap space Charlotte presumably cleared for their center. Which would suck because quality centers for $7M don't exist, unfortunately compounded by CHA renouncing Al's Bird Rights.

vs.......

Lin maximizing his earning potential elsewhere, CHA trading for a cheaper backup PG clearing cap room in the process, rolling quarters into a crisp FA center dollar bill, then doubling back for Marvin, Lee, and Batum using their Bird Rights to exceed the soft cap.

Kemba, Cheaper Backup PG X, Lee, Batum, MKG, Marvin, Frank, Cody, FA center X, and pick #22 is a lineup almost every franchise would be happy with. It's also 1-2 additional appealing trade chips otherwise unavailable without Bird Rights or maximizing cap space should it be cleared.


The truth comes out. You only see Lin's spot as 15-20 mpg instead of 25+. Bench of backup pg, lee, frank, Cody, rookie isn't going to cause opposing teams any sleepless nights.
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Post#1003 » by bws94 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:14 pm

tonman wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
tonman wrote: Which is my point but you miss the flexibility point. Lin goes you need a backup point and guard unless you say Jorge or Harrison and Daniels with Lamb are going to be your bench. So now you have to decide who and how much. Yes you could use the mle to bring a vet but you could also do that for Marv because we have frank or Lee because of mkg or al because we already have Cody and Hawes. Sure make trades we can always do that. Point is lin fills a few needs of point, off guard, facilitator, vet, intangibles, scorer, 6th man. Not debating your cap logic just you are over simplifying Lin's impact and replaceability.


I'm looking at it as a business owner. Lin can be individually versatile while his contract simultaneously limits Charlotte's overall flexibility to maximize the rules of the CBA. Basically, signing Lin with cap space signifies surrendering 1, if not 2, additional high value assets in order to fill a 15-20 minute need.

- Signing Backup PG X with $8M in created cap space requires renouncing Bird Rights for Al and 1 of Courtney or Marvin...or renouncing Al and dumping some combination of Hawes, Lamb, Harrison, and pick #22.

- Signing Backup PG X requires surrendering the full MLE because Charlotte dipped under the soft cap to do so.

- Signing Backup PG X removes $8M out of the $16-17M in cap space Charlotte presumably cleared for their center. Which would suck because quality centers for $7M don't exist, unfortunately compounded by CHA renouncing Al's Bird Rights.

vs.......

Lin maximizing his earning potential elsewhere, CHA trading for a cheaper backup PG clearing cap room in the process, rolling quarters into a crisp FA center dollar bill, then doubling back for Marvin, Lee, and Batum using their Bird Rights to exceed the soft cap.

Kemba, Cheaper Backup PG X, Lee, Batum, MKG, Marvin, Frank, Cody, FA center X, and pick #22 is a lineup almost every franchise would be happy with. It's also 1-2 additional appealing trade chips otherwise unavailable without Bird Rights or maximizing cap space should it be cleared.


The truth comes out. You only see Lin's spot as 15-20 mpg instead of 25+. Bench of backup pg, lee, frank, Cody, rookie isn't going to cause opposing teams any sleepless nights.


It's fine to think of it as a business owner. Cho said Lin helped the team win games. And he did. So, you take a gamble that your 6th man and big insurance for your best player on the team in Batum, or maybe other best player Kemba, can be replaced by someone else and you have the same results based on a combination of other players. But if your bottom line is to win, and you've acknowledged him as a key piece in some games, you find a number you present to Lin and say because of all the considerations, this is all we can get you and still have others we need. The assumption that what replaces Lin will be able to give what Lin gave in terms of the timing of when he had big moments or games, or the degree he produced in spot starts, is a big one.
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Post#1004 » by Mystical Apples » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:36 pm

tonman wrote: The truth comes out. You only see Lin's spot as 15-20 mpg instead of 25+. Bench of backup pg, lee, frank, Cody, rookie isn't going to cause opposing teams any sleepless nights.


Ha- you say that as though there's no difference between giving Lin his mandated 25 minutes vs surrendering 1-2 additional players to achieve said 5-10 minutes.

Or for that matter, as if a 6'2" combo guard on a team with a short starting PG would somehow be exempted from battling 3-4 rangy wings and 2-3 mobile bigs for playing time.
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Post#1005 » by TinmanZBoy » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:42 pm

spaceballer wrote:The China Post has an article on a press conference. The newspaper has it up on their facebook page:

The China Post wrote:Jeremy Lin says he won’t decide which team he will join until after NBA draft

National Basketball Association (NBA) player Jeremy Lin said Friday that he will not make a final decision on which team he will join next season until after the upcoming NBA draft later this month.

During a press conference held in Taipei, Lin, who arrived earlier in the day for an eight-day tour, told reporters that it is still too early for him to decide whether he will stay in the Charlotte Hornets or wear another team’s jersey next season, when asked to comment on his future plans.

“My agent and I agreed that we will have to wait until after the NBA draft to be held on June 23 so that we might have a clearer view about what to do next,” Lin said.

But he expressed having had an enjoyable season with the Hornets. “For me the most important thing is that I want to be happy when I go to work everyday,” he said. “I was not that happy in my first five seasons in the NBA but I had great fun and a happy time last season,” he noted in fluent mandarin.

Other than being happy at work, he said there are a lot of things to take into account before making a decision regarding his next move, including considerations about the coaching staff, teammates and whether his future team is competitive enough to win a championship title.

“Whether I can play as a starter is another thing I have to consider,” he noted. Lin said that he will take all these factors into consideration before making his final decision.

The 27-year-old Harvard grad is coming off a great season with the Hornets in which he averaged 11.7 points and three assists in the 78 games he played, coming off the bench in most games.

Lin signed a two-year, US$4.3 million contract with the Hornets last July. He has a US$2.2 million player option for the second season of his two-year deal.

According to foreign media reports, Lin has declined his player option with the Hornets and will enter free agency as an unrestricted free agent.

Lin arrived in Taiwan on Saturday morning to a welcoming crowd at Taoyuan International Airport around 6 a.m

https://www.facebook.com/Chinapost/posts/1222643594413771


this tells me Lin's mentality is more fit to be a player coming off bench....
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Post#1006 » by Mystical Apples » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:50 pm

Look at GSW. Iggy won the Finals MVP but comes off the bench @ 26 minutes a game. Bogut is a starter for 20 minutes. Like Lin, Livingston is a high quality backup with versatility for multiple positions - off the bench for 19 minutes/game.
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Post#1007 » by TinmanZBoy » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:52 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:Look at GSW. Iggy won the Finals MVP but comes off the bench @ 26 minutes a game. Bogut is a starter for 20 minutes. Like Lin, Livingston is a high quality backup with versatility for multiple positions - off the bench for 19 minutes/game.

Lin should go back to Warriors to replace BB, play 10-15 minutes per game, he will be happy and most likely win a ring... both goals are achieved
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Post#1008 » by lookabove » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:16 pm

I went back to look at the box score and the 3 games where Walker, Batum and MKG played the whole game, Lin average 19 minute.

All 3 these player have injury history, but I wouldn't bank my playing time on it. Lin did play 4th most minutes on team after Walker, Batum, Williams then Lin, but I believe Lin benefited the most on playing time from all the injuries.

As arm chair GM, I would priority Williams over Lin because I don't see his role diminishing. While if MKG and Batum are healthy, I believe Lin’s role diminishes greatly.
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Post#1009 » by amcoolio » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:23 pm

I don't think so. I know you Lin fans want him to be a superstar, but he can still be a star here and average 20-25 min off the bench.

If the Hornets had MKG, they would likely have been in the ECF. It would have been a lot of exposure for the team and Lin.

Why not give it another shot next season with MKG back. He is the team's best two way player. Just adding him back makes a huge difference.

The problem is one of Marvin or Lin is going to go for the money (as they should), so we can't have both. It comes down to who is more replaceable. In my opinion, Marvin is replaceable. Kaminksy can fill into that role with a strong offseason and there are also players near our draft slot who can as well.

Resign Batum and Lin, then use the rest of the money on a stopgap PF/C. Retain flexibility for next season's mega offseason
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Post#1010 » by reelsgm » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:36 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:
spaceballer wrote:The China Post has an article on a press conference. The newspaper has it up on their facebook page:

The China Post wrote:Jeremy Lin says he won’t decide which team he will join until after NBA draft

National Basketball Association (NBA) player Jeremy Lin said Friday that he will not make a final decision on which team he will join next season until after the upcoming NBA draft later this month.

During a press conference held in Taipei, Lin, who arrived earlier in the day for an eight-day tour, told reporters that it is still too early for him to decide whether he will stay in the Charlotte Hornets or wear another team’s jersey next season, when asked to comment on his future plans.

“My agent and I agreed that we will have to wait until after the NBA draft to be held on June 23 so that we might have a clearer view about what to do next,” Lin said.

But he expressed having had an enjoyable season with the Hornets. “For me the most important thing is that I want to be happy when I go to work everyday,” he said. “I was not that happy in my first five seasons in the NBA but I had great fun and a happy time last season,” he noted in fluent mandarin.

Other than being happy at work, he said there are a lot of things to take into account before making a decision regarding his next move, including considerations about the coaching staff, teammates and whether his future team is competitive enough to win a championship title.

“Whether I can play as a starter is another thing I have to consider,” he noted. Lin said that he will take all these factors into consideration before making his final decision.

The 27-year-old Harvard grad is coming off a great season with the Hornets in which he averaged 11.7 points and three assists in the 78 games he played, coming off the bench in most games.

Lin signed a two-year, US$4.3 million contract with the Hornets last July. He has a US$2.2 million player option for the second season of his two-year deal.

According to foreign media reports, Lin has declined his player option with the Hornets and will enter free agency as an unrestricted free agent.

Lin arrived in Taiwan on Saturday morning to a welcoming crowd at Taoyuan International Airport around 6 a.m

https://www.facebook.com/Chinapost/posts/1222643594413771


this tells me Lin's mentality is more fit to be a player coming off bench....


Relying on a less-than-rigorous, partially shoddy translation of Lin's Chinese is a problem. Also over-analyzing Lin's platitudes in a media appearance is mostly worthless. Modesty is even more magnified in an Asian country than LIN would express in America.

What Lin said was closer to the following: "whether or not I'm happy [depends] on many conditions like whether the coach likes me, the team's playing style, are my team mates humble ... But the most important, OK, obviously, whether I'd be a starter or whether I'd be playing a lot [of minutes]"
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Post#1011 » by lookabove » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:56 pm

amcoolio wrote:I don't think so. I know you Lin fans want him to be a superstar, but he can still be a star here and average 20-25 min off the bench.

If the Hornets had MKG, they would likely have been in the ECF. It would have been a lot of exposure for the team and Lin.

Why not give it another shot next season with MKG back. He is the team's best two way player. Just adding him back makes a huge difference.

The problem is one of Marvin or Lin is going to go for the money (as they should), so we can't have both. It comes down to who is more replaceable. In my opinion, Marvin is replaceable. Kaminksy can fill into that role with a strong offseason and there are also players near our draft slot who can as well.

Resign Batum and Lin, then use the rest of the money on a stopgap PF/C. Retain flexibility for next season's mega offseason


William had most Rebound on the team, blocks, tied Lin for 3rd on steals, 3rd most pts and shot 40% from 3 land.

I'm willing bet Kaminsky will not reproduce those results. I don't think he ready to start.

I think Cho priority starting line-up first.

1) Batum (Starting SG)
2) 3 and D Power Forward
3) Backup PG
4) Backup Rim protector

I presume Cody continue to start alone with Kemba and MKG. Lamb should be out doghouse and is backup 2/3. Kaminsky is backup 4-5 for your 9 man rotation.

After signing 1 and 2, I don't think leave much money for 3 and 4 unless Lamb/Hawes is move with no money back.
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Post#1012 » by steady » Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:04 pm

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steady wrote: Abstractly the point about the large supply of PGs is true. But there so many crappy second units, and backup PGs, out there. So many teams are sorely lacking in that area. Clippers, Bulls, Wizard, Rockets, on and on. Lins ability to get in paint and score is elite. His pnr ability is also way above average. And he showed this year he can be a good defender. Also, when Lin is asked to take on the role of organizing an offense he can do it - he's not Chris Paul or anything close , but he can see the floor and he can get other players going better than most . I'm not sure there are 50+ players that can do all that - or 95% of that..., and also be strong enough to play as combo guard and rugged enough to have as few injuries as Lin does.

Lin is not in the first tier by any means but when I look around there are also not that many players in the second tier, where Lin is


It may sound like criticism but it isn't. It's a role vs. need vs. economic thing with Charlotte having options up and down the cost scale. And yes, Lin has skills not every PG possesses but positional designations are semi-unnecessary. Teams acquire skills, not positions, and in that regard PnR action (or offenses in general) go through wings for many teams.

I think we can agree Lin is at an awkward intersection of usage, efficiency, and age whose value relative to players like ETwaun Moore, Dellevadova, and Patrick Beverley is roster dependent....look at Indiana this year, for example. A team needing an attacker will pay Lin accordingly. Others like Charlotte, Utah, and Cleveland with wing handlers would find lower usage combos who space the floor appealing.

Being a starter is a meaningless designation but if we're rigid there are 30 starters along with several would be starting PG/Combos who start at SG....Knight/Bledsoe, McCollum/Lillard, Jrue/Tyreke, Bradley/Thomas, Collison/Rondo, Monta/Hill, Payton/Oladipo etc...even Wade was Miami's backup after AS break. That's 37 starting caliber PG/Combo's.

Lin is at the tail end of that group and close to the beginning of this one: Smart, Schroder, Livingston, Tyler Johnson, Joseph, Mills, Jennings, Moore, and Bayless. Chalmers is a stretch but he's closer than people realize on a 1-2 year deal. On top of those 47 players are 5-10 rookie scale backups, or soon to be drafted rookies, who's teams value potential over wins and production. Either way, those rookie scales are eating backup spots and consequently lowering demand.


I thought you were talking about available point guards, and that's what I was responding to. :) I like Lin but I also know his limitations.

I am not sure I would count all 30 starting PGs as being in top tier though. The quality starts dropping off after the first 20 or so, for example:

Michael Carter Williams
Ish Smith
Elfrid Payton
George Hill
Jose Calderon
Patrick Beverley (Bev only played 56 games in the two years prior to this past one; and this past year, he only played 71 games and started in only 63 games.)
Donald Sloan
Raul Neto

But I get what you are saying about skill sets and the right fit.
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Post#1013 » by Kswiss » Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:20 pm

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amcoolio wrote:I don't think so. I know you Lin fans want him to be a superstar, but he can still be a star here and average 20-25 min off the bench.

If the Hornets had MKG, they would likely have been in the ECF. It would have been a lot of exposure for the team and Lin.

Why not give it another shot next season with MKG back. He is the team's best two way player. Just adding him back makes a huge difference.

The problem is one of Marvin or Lin is going to go for the money (as they should), so we can't have both. It comes down to who is more replaceable. In my opinion, Marvin is replaceable. Kaminksy can fill into that role with a strong offseason and there are also players near our draft slot who can as well.

Resign Batum and Lin, then use the rest of the money on a stopgap PF/C. Retain flexibility for next season's mega offseason


William had most Rebound on the team, blocks, tied Lin for 3rd on steals, 3rd most pts and shot 40% from 3 land.

I'm willing bet Kaminsky will not reproduce those results. I don't think he ready to start.

I think Cho priority starting line-up first.

1) Batum (Starting SG)
2) 3 and D Power Forward
3) Backup PG
4) Backup Rim protector

I presume Cody continue to start alone with Kemba and MKG. Lamb should be out doghouse and is backup 2/3. Kaminsky is backup 4-5 for your 9 man rotation.

After signing 1 and 2, I don't think leave much money for 3 and 4 unless Lamb/Hawes is move with no money back.

If Cody is still our starting center next year, we will be no better off than this year (and far worse if we lose Lin). We really need to address our rim protection because Zeller destroyed us in the playoffs and all season actually. I'd love to get Biyombo if possible or Dwight or any powerful rim-protecting/rebounding big. That should be our first priority. Then Lin/Williams and then possibly Batum if the price is right. I would run for the hills if he's asking for anything over 15 mil though. Harrison Barnes or Chandler Parsons would be much better options.
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Post#1014 » by fatlever » Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:41 pm

^Adding a rim protecting center to displace Cody from the starting lineup would likely come at the expense of resigning Lin since that would eat up the cap space to be used for Lin. Like I said before, Hornets can probably bring back Lin, Lee or add a center, hard to do more than one of those things w/out trading players or having Lin sign for MLE.

Anyway, some of this discussion is heading towards stuff that would be better served in the offseason thread. I don't want the team building talk to get buried in this thread.
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Post#1015 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:03 am

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jtsmith wrote:not sure how reliable this site is but they're reporting that Lin turned down an offer from Charlotte to rework his contract and salary to $5.6 million

the 5.6 is the MLE?


I think that article is just speculating that Charlotte could only offer Lin the MLE (read something similar on the ESPN article that picked up the news that Lin opted out - or really intends to opt out). Obviously there's not much truth to what they are saying because Charlotte can offer Lin a much bigger deal using salary cap space, if they so choose.

Seems like there is just a lot of bad info floating around this week regarding Lin, probably because any hack can post a Lin "news" story and expect instant clicks.

~lol~ Ya, one article said Lin finally reunites with MDA, another said the Hornets has tried to rework the contract and up it to 5.5 mil instead of 2 point something and Lin rejected it.

JMAC3 wrote:However, like I said he is a top BACKUP PG. I have a hard time believing a team is going to be willing to break the bank to offer Lin 10+ million and a starting role when he has struggled in the past in this role. Also, he does show spurts of being capable, but he is a really inconsistent player that I would not be eager to count on night in and night out to play 36 mins a night as my starter. His stats this season were underwhelming and somewhat disappointing, but at the same time was sometimes our 3rd best player. This screams that he should be a bench spark to me and when he has it going on then ride him, but when he is off then play him less that night. Those are not really luxuries you can have when you are paying him to be your starter on a multi-year deal.

One must consider his first time starting stats, the end of his first full starting season stats and his stats as starters last season as well. He's not mainly a scorer, so his stats being inconsistent isn't that bad. He must limit his TOs tho, and it's probably best by experience.

It is tough for me to consider him starting next season, when you consider the limited number of potential openings...

Dallas, Philly, New York, Brooklyn and Houston

Then take into account Rondo and Deron Williams are likely to take two of those spots.

Kris Dunn, Jamal Murray, Wade Baldwin, Demetrius Jackson, Dejounte Murray, and Tyler Ulis all are intriguing prospects with higher upside and much cheaper than Lin if those teams look to solve PG through draft.

Then take into account Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, and Michael Carter-Williams are all guys who could be dealt for this offseason for one reason or another.

I think when all said and done we have a higher chance of losing Lin to a team looking for a combo guard off the bench then a team offering a starting role. Thus, it will likely come down to the money each team is willing to offer a bench guard. At some point you would think Lin is going to want to stay with a team for a longer tenure than a year or 2, but again I am just speculating.

Don't forget the Spurs, the Bucks and the Jazz as possible teams that offer a starting role.

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Post#1016 » by bws94 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:36 am

amcoolio wrote:I don't think so. I know you Lin fans want him to be a superstar, but he can still be a star here and average 20-25 min off the bench.

If the Hornets had MKG, they would likely have been in the ECF. It would have been a lot of exposure for the team and Lin.

Why not give it another shot next season with MKG back. He is the team's best two way player. Just adding him back makes a huge difference.

The problem is one of Marvin or Lin is going to go for the money (as they should), so we can't have both. It comes down to who is more replaceable. In my opinion, Marvin is replaceable. Kaminksy can fill into that role with a strong offseason and there are also players near our draft slot who can as well.

Resign Batum and Lin, then use the rest of the money on a stopgap PF/C. Retain flexibility for next season's mega offseason


I guess some Lin fans think of him as a star, but others just think of maybe an expanded opportunity now that he's an FA. The thing with Marv was his leadership, he lead the defense. He was a definitely a vocal leader on the bench as well. I really found him valuable in that respect. Lin and Marv were both valuable in different ways IMO.

I think Lin and MKG would play great together because MKG pushes the pace and likes to run out. We didn't get to see a very big part of Lin's game as much as we could have, and that's the ability to throw alley-oops from pretty much any part of the floor and on fast breaks. I could see a lot of opportunities for Lin and MKG to hook up on those. Would Lin get a chance to play with MKG much? Not sure.

Does Lin still want to return to the Hornets? We read the comments he just made in Taiwan.
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Post#1017 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:23 am

Mystical Apples wrote:You're memory is a little hazy. The last 5 games Lin's minutes barely budged above his season average even though Batum was injured, MKG out, Lamb out of the rotation, and Kemba hobbled. 3 or 4 ripe sources to seize perimeter minutes disproportionately went elsewhere.

If there was ever a light bulb moment.....

Minutes Last 5 Playoff Games (regular season differential)
Kemba: 37.4 (+1.8)
Courtney: 36.4 (+6.8)
Marvin: 34.6 (+5.7)
Frank: 30.7 (+9.6)
Jeremy: 27.5 (+1.2)

Minutes Last 2 Games with Everyone Limping or Bashed in the Head
Kemba: 37.5
Marvin: 35.0
Courtney: 34.2
Frank: 33.6
Al: 24.4
Nic: 22.0
Jeremy: 21.7

I don't get why it's the last two or five, how about the three wins?

The second to the last, he was in foul trouble, the last was probably some kinda blooper or future political move by Cliff as discussed in this thread before. Both losses.

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What is the guy to girl ratio among the die hard Lin fans in Asia? Judging from that pic its about 10:1 in favor of girls.

~lol~ Well, I think most of the guys are more busy playing, watching, reading about and talking about the games while girls tend to like the celebrity activities more.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
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Post#1018 » by JMAC3 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:47 am

I think we should offer him something like a 3/24. Really let him develop into the role of combo guard and let him and Lamb develop as a bench guard combo. Give him slightly more then what we paid Lamb, draft or sign a cheap wing to fill out our guard rotation.

I just don't see a team offering him that type of money over that long of a contract. If somebody does give him a chance to start then I think it will be on a 1 year deal. I just don't see him getting a contract that is better than that to be a starter. If you were a GM would you give him a multi-year deal to be your starter?

Who is gonna be offering a 3/36 for him? I can see him getting a 1 year deal at 10 to be a starter, but I think I would take the security of my proposed offer over that. He is familiar with our organization, likes his teammates and coaches and we can offer him a good role for the foreseeable future on a competitive team.

1- Kemba (36)- Lin (12)
2- Batum (24)- Lin (12)- Lamb (12)
3- MKG (36)- Batum (12)

Hopefully Cliff gets a little creative and can find some minutes for a small ball lineup with
Kemba, Lin, MKG, Batum, and Frank/Cody playing some minutes, that would mean 20-30 mins a night for Lin and a big increase in minutes if we have injuries or foul trouble.
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Post#1019 » by bws94 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:12 pm

It's rare that an NBA player comes out and talks about the emotions and thoughts that go through him throughout the season. Here Lin does in his annual testimony in Taiwan. He talks a lot about Charlotte, in English, so he gives a lot of insight of the spirit in the locker room, at least from his perspective. I think it gets more religious toward the end, but the parts about playing ball and what he was feeling and how he feels about Charlotte is great info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uT7W45I7QU
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Post#1020 » by yosemiteben » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:13 pm

Anyone want to provide a summary of the takeaway points?

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