The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[rsavaj]

yeah it's a big package, and my gut reaction is "whoa too much", but Bledsoe's injury history diminish his value significantly, and Len is one mediocre season away from going from "promising young NBA center" to "overpaid stiff"

I dunno...like I said, I don't like it, but weirdly, I'd understand if the Wiz rejected it.

[letsgosuns]

Like a lot of posters have stated recently for various reasons, these comments further cement my belief the Suns were lucky to not have traded a huge package for Love.

Why does public sentiment turn on him as soon as the Cavs stumble?

"Why do you think?" Love said, answering a question with a question. "You're part of it. I'm not saying you're who does it, but you are there with the people that do ...

"I don't know how to answer it because, I have a couple bad games last series [against Toronto], tough games, and have to come back and do whatever I needed to do to help the team. Still, it's just never enough."

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-never-enough-critics-concussion-injury-lebron-james-061116


Never enough? Uhh you are supposed to be a superstar. The team gave you a full max contract and you barely do anything out there. Your defense is atrocious and you are averaging 16 ppg and 9 rpg in the playoffs. Those are just decent numbers. Nowhere near superstar level. The Cavs traded for you so you can put up 20/20 games in the playoffs and dominate offensively. You do nothing even close to that. The team is arguably better with you on the bench because you are such a detriment defensively. The only game the Cavs won so far in this series is the game you did not play. I have no interest in Love ever being on the Suns.

huh?


Barely do anything out there?

You hate Love we get it.

But to say Love's production being down is primarily due to him is ignorant.

Even Bosh warned Love that his role will be reduced significantly.

Love was an all round scorer in Minesota. Inside, outside etc. In Cavs he is 3rd option and is used primarily to spread the floor.

Against the Warriors... He is being exposed intentionally because Warriors strength is about switching man and finding slashers or open shooters... Love's weakness is his ability to contest slashers or get to open man in time... His pick and roll defense is also below average due to his defense style.


But he has averaged 17/10 for a 3rd option... Which is very good.



Basically big men or inside players suffer a lot when they are paired with Lebron.... Its a trend and its expected due to Lebron's style of play.

I am talking about the eye test. Love is like empty stats. Bosh's numbers decreased with Lebron but he did so many things to help them win. Clutch rebounds, great defense, shot a high percentage. Love is so passive out there and does not assert himself next to Lebron. You think the Heat would have ever brought Bosh off the bench in a finals game years ago? There were some media outlets saying they should not even play Love because the team is better without him. The fact that that argument exists in the first place is a testament to how poor Love plays on that team.

[thamadkant]

Like a lot of posters have stated recently for various reasons, these comments further cement my belief the Suns were lucky to not have traded a huge package for Love.

Why does public sentiment turn on him as soon as the Cavs stumble?

"Why do you think?" Love said, answering a question with a question. "You're part of it. I'm not saying you're who does it, but you are there with the people that do ...

"I don't know how to answer it because, I have a couple bad games last series [against Toronto], tough games, and have to come back and do whatever I needed to do to help the team. Still, it's just never enough."

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-never-enough-critics-concussion-injury-lebron-james-061116


Never enough? Uhh you are supposed to be a superstar. The team gave you a full max contract and you barely do anything out there. Your defense is atrocious and you are averaging 16 ppg and 9 rpg in the playoffs. Those are just decent numbers. Nowhere near superstar level. The Cavs traded for you so you can put up 20/20 games in the playoffs and dominate offensively. You do nothing even close to that. The team is arguably better with you on the bench because you are such a detriment defensively. The only game the Cavs won so far in this series is the game you did not play. I have no interest in Love ever being on the Suns.

huh?


Barely do anything out there?

You hate Love we get it.

But to say Love's production being down is primarily due to him is ignorant.

Even Bosh warned Love that his role will be reduced significantly.

Love was an all round scorer in Minesota. Inside, outside etc. In Cavs he is 3rd option and is used primarily to spread the floor.

Against the Warriors... He is being exposed intentionally because Warriors strength is about switching man and finding slashers or open shooters... Love's weakness is his ability to contest slashers or get to open man in time... His pick and roll defense is also below average due to his defense style.


But he has averaged 17/10 for a 3rd option... Which is very good.



Basically big men or inside players suffer a lot when they are paired with Lebron.... Its a trend and its expected due to Lebron's style of play.

I am talking about the eye test. Love is like empty stats. Bosh's numbers decreased with Lebron but he did so many things to help them win. Clutch rebounds, great defense, shot a high percentage. Love is so passive out there and does not assert himself next to Lebron. You think the Heat would have ever brought Bosh off the bench in a finals game years ago? There were some media outlets saying they should not even play Love because the team is better without him. The fact that that argument exists in the first place is a testament to how poor Love plays on that team.

Thats because Bosh is a better defender than Love and always has been. But Love is the better rebounder and scorer given he is used inside as well.


Love is a bad fit to any team that doesnt have a weak side shot blocker.

Its like Blake Griffin... Without Jordan he would be called out repeatedly as a terrible defender. But he isnt... Because the clippers have ensured he has Jordan to play next to.


The Cavs are playing the Warriors.. An anomaly of a team. Thats first point.
Second... Love's greatest strengths are wasted and not taken advantage of.. Which is offense.

Third... Cavs need defense more so than offense from the PF spot due to Warriors strengths.
Evidence by Ibaka, Adams and Durant outplaying Warriors inside game. Love is 6'9 with shorter standing reach than Durant.. And he isnt a leaper either.


Love is a BAD fit for Cavs... I mean.. They can get by against inferior teams but against equal or better teams... the PF spot is like the easiest spot to score on against the Cavs... And Love has no one to help protect the rim behind him.


Bosh was a better one on one defender so even when isnt scoring... He helped plug the defense hole at the PF and C spot.

Also that Heat team had 4 very good defenders on the starting lineup and a prime Lebron to boot.

This cavs team has a bad defender at PG...an average defender at SG... A declined Lebron... An undersized Center in Thompson who has to exert a lot to make up for his lack of height.

[letsgosuns]

huh?


Barely do anything out there?

You hate Love we get it.

But to say Love's production being down is primarily due to him is ignorant.

Even Bosh warned Love that his role will be reduced significantly.

Love was an all round scorer in Minesota. Inside, outside etc. In Cavs he is 3rd option and is used primarily to spread the floor.

Against the Warriors... He is being exposed intentionally because Warriors strength is about switching man and finding slashers or open shooters... Love's weakness is his ability to contest slashers or get to open man in time... His pick and roll defense is also below average due to his defense style.


But he has averaged 17/10 for a 3rd option... Which is very good.



Basically big men or inside players suffer a lot when they are paired with Lebron.... Its a trend and its expected due to Lebron's style of play.

I am talking about the eye test. Love is like empty stats. Bosh's numbers decreased with Lebron but he did so many things to help them win. Clutch rebounds, great defense, shot a high percentage. Love is so passive out there and does not assert himself next to Lebron. You think the Heat would have ever brought Bosh off the bench in a finals game years ago? There were some media outlets saying they should not even play Love because the team is better without him. The fact that that argument exists in the first place is a testament to how poor Love plays on that team.

Thats because Bosh is a better defender than Love and always has been. But Love is the better rebounder and scorer given he is used inside as well.


Love is a bad fit to any team that doesnt have a weak side shot blocker.

Its like Blake Griffin... Without Jordan he would be called out repeatedly as a terrible defender. But he isnt... Because the clippers have ensured he has Jordan to play next to.


The Cavs are playing the Warriors.. An anomaly of a team. Thats first point.
Second... Love's greatest strengths are wasted and not taken advantage of.. Which is offense.

Third... Cavs need defense more so than offense from the PF spot due to Warriors strengths.
Evidence by Ibaka, Adams and Durant outplaying Warriors inside game. Love is 6'9 with shorter standing reach than Durant.. And he isnt a leaper either.


Love is a BAD fit for Cavs... I mean.. They can get by against inferior teams but against equal or better teams... the PF spot is like the easiest spot to score on against the Cavs... And Love has no one to help protect the rim behind him.


Bosh was a better one on one defender so even when isnt scoring... He helped plug the defense hole at the PF and C spot.

Also that Heat team had 4 very good defenders on the starting lineup and a prime Lebron to boot.

This cavs team has a bad defender at PG...an average defender at SG... A declined Lebron... An undersized Center in Thompson who has to exert a lot to make up for his lack of height.

I agree. But Love is a guy that went from having absolute mega stats for a bad Timberwolves team a glorified role player playing next to Lebron. Look at the stats of Love's second to last game for the Timberwolves in 2014: 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 9 assists. Who was that game against? The Warriors. The game right before that, he had 40 pts and 11 rbs against the Kings. There was a game that year against the Hawks where he had 43 pts and 19 rbs. There was another game against the Clippers where he had 45 points and 19 rebounds. He had a 42 point, 14 rebound game against the Spurs. A 42 point, 16 rebound game against the Pacers. He even had a monster triple double game of 37 points, 12 rebounds, and 10 assists game against the Jazz. I am mentioning these games because he is putting up Charles Barkley in his prime kind of numbers against top quality opponents. My question is what the hell happened to him? It would be like if Charles Barkley was traded to the Suns in 1992 and then became the third option behind KJ and Majerle. There is no way that would ever happen because Barkley was the true superstar. So why is Kevin Love letting it happen and playing absolutely nothing like he did in Minnesota.

[NTB]

I am talking about the eye test. Love is like empty stats. Bosh's numbers decreased with Lebron but he did so many things to help them win. Clutch rebounds, great defense, shot a high percentage. Love is so passive out there and does not assert himself next to Lebron. You think the Heat would have ever brought Bosh off the bench in a finals game years ago? There were some media outlets saying they should not even play Love because the team is better without him. The fact that that argument exists in the first place is a testament to how poor Love plays on that team.

Thats because Bosh is a better defender than Love and always has been. But Love is the better rebounder and scorer given he is used inside as well.


Love is a bad fit to any team that doesnt have a weak side shot blocker.

Its like Blake Griffin... Without Jordan he would be called out repeatedly as a terrible defender. But he isnt... Because the clippers have ensured he has Jordan to play next to.


The Cavs are playing the Warriors.. An anomaly of a team. Thats first point.
Second... Love's greatest strengths are wasted and not taken advantage of.. Which is offense.

Third... Cavs need defense more so than offense from the PF spot due to Warriors strengths.
Evidence by Ibaka, Adams and Durant outplaying Warriors inside game. Love is 6'9 with shorter standing reach than Durant.. And he isnt a leaper either.


Love is a BAD fit for Cavs... I mean.. They can get by against inferior teams but against equal or better teams... the PF spot is like the easiest spot to score on against the Cavs... And Love has no one to help protect the rim behind him.


Bosh was a better one on one defender so even when isnt scoring... He helped plug the defense hole at the PF and C spot.

Also that Heat team had 4 very good defenders on the starting lineup and a prime Lebron to boot.

This cavs team has a bad defender at PG...an average defender at SG... A declined Lebron... An undersized Center in Thompson who has to exert a lot to make up for his lack of height.

I agree. But Love is a guy that went from having absolute mega stats for a bad Timberwolves team a glorified role player playing next to Lebron. Look at the stats of Love's second to last game for the Timberwolves in 2014: 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 9 assists. Who was that game against? The Warriors. The game right before that, he had 40 pts and 11 rbs against the Kings. There was a game that year against the Hawks where he had 43 pts and 19 rbs. There was another game against the Clippers where he had 45 points and 19 rebounds. He had a 42 point, 14 rebound game against the Spurs. A 42 point, 16 rebound game against the Pacers. He even had a monster triple double game of 37 points, 12 rebounds, and 10 assists game against the Jazz. I am mentioning these games because he is putting up Charles Barkley in his prime kind of numbers against top quality opponents. My question is what the hell happened to him? It would be like if Charles Barkley was traded to the Suns in 1992 and then became the third option behind KJ and Majerle. There is no way that would ever happen because Barkley was the true superstar. So why is Kevin Love letting it happen and playing absolutely nothing like he did in Minnesota.

Blatt and Lue has never intented to use Love as a low-post threat and they just threw him to a corner. There are ball-dominating guys in Irving and Lebron, which play iso all day. Love needs to be the first option in a team, how can you be the first option when there is Lebron? Love also needs a guard that tends to distribute or make plays for others, which is definitely not Irving. I think you want to see Love taking over the offensive leadership from LEBRON and IRVING. There is only a few people that can do this and they are future HOFs like Garnett, Kobe etc. Love has kinda soft character like Nowitzki. Nowitzki is good when he plays with Nash or Kidd but when he plays with ball-hoggers, he pulls himself back, becomes passive.

[Frank Lee]

I simply have no idea what this Front office will do. The combination of talent needs at multiple spots, limited value available to trade, and the uncertainty of the draft leads us to nothing but guesswork. The next few weeks will be real interesting.

Looking at the free agent list, I have to think that Batum and Barnes will goes elsewhere IF they leave. Surely other more competitive teams will be bidding for them too. I could see that info/rumor being a smokescreen anyway considering how tightlipped this administration has been.

Perhaps the real target is Chandler Parsons if/when he opts out...or Bazemore I really want us to upgrade the SF spot, especially since the FO seems to be tempted to run Booker there. If anything, I'd rather see Book play PG than SF, and I think he can. Heck, I'd even taunt Father Time and sign Deng, if it meant keeping Booker at SG.

[MathiasPW]

yeah it's a big package, and my gut reaction is "whoa too much", but Bledsoe's injury history diminish his value significantly, and Len is one mediocre season away from going from "promising young NBA center" to "overpaid stiff"

I dunno...like I said, I don't like it, but weirdly, I'd understand if the Wiz rejected it.

Wall/Booker/Tucker/Unknown/Chandler wouldn't be too different than Wall/Beal/Porter/Shuffle/Gortat, imo.

And that combo hasn't gone too far in the East.

[OGBAH]

I want Horford. I'd like to see him actually play PF

[bwgood77]

I agree. But Love is a guy that went from having absolute mega stats for a bad Timberwolves team a glorified role player playing next to Lebron. Look at the stats of Love's second to last game for the Timberwolves in 2014: 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 9 assists. Who was that game against? The Warriors. The game right before that, he had 40 pts and 11 rbs against the Kings. There was a game that year against the Hawks where he had 43 pts and 19 rbs. There was another game against the Clippers where he had 45 points and 19 rebounds. He had a 42 point, 14 rebound game against the Spurs. A 42 point, 16 rebound game against the Pacers. He even had a monster triple double game of 37 points, 12 rebounds, and 10 assists game against the Jazz. I am mentioning these games because he is putting up Charles Barkley in his prime kind of numbers against top quality opponents. My question is what the hell happened to him? It would be like if Charles Barkley was traded to the Suns in 1992 and then became the third option behind KJ and Majerle. There is no way that would ever happen because Barkley was the true superstar. So why is Kevin Love letting it happen and playing absolutely nothing like he did in Minnesota.

I bet you anything if you plugged Love onto that Miami team in Bosh's place he would have great #s playing the role Frye did along with Dragic, but also having that great defender/shot blocker in Whiteside next to him.

He's just not a very good fit on that team. Defense will always be a problem with him so as 1UPZ mentioned he needs to be next to an impressive defensive stud..like if him and Biyombo played together it would work well too. If we had those two on our team in the front court the team would probably be pretty good.

[bwgood77]

I simply have no idea what this Front office will do. The combination of talent needs at multiple spots, limited value available to trade, and the uncertainty of the draft leads us to nothing but guesswork. The next few weeks will be real interesting.

Looking at the free agent list, I have to think that Batum and Barnes will goes elsewhere IF they leave. Surely other more competitive teams will be bidding for them too. I could see that info/rumor being a smokescreen anyway considering how tightlipped this administration has been.

Perhaps the real target is Chandler Parsons if/when he opts out...or Bazemore I really want us to upgrade the SF spot, especially since the FO seems to be tempted to run Booker there. If anything, I'd rather see Book play PG than SF, and I think he can. Heck, I'd even taunt Father Time and sign Deng, if it meant keeping Booker at SG.

You don't think Warren can eventually be a good starting SF?

[bwgood77]

The trade forum is insteresting. There is an MKG for Noel thread in there that someone proposed and fans of both teams are really against it, particularly Hornets fans.

Then of course my thought of a reasonable trade of the 4 for Lyles and 12 (not sure I'd do it but probably wouldn't, and definitely wouldn't if Bender is there), was met with avid no's from Jazz fans, and some say they wouldn't trade Lyles by himself for 4.

[TASTIC]

Holy crap I can't believe some people wouldn't do 4 and Warren for Butler?!

He is EXACTLY what we need next to Booker and Bled: a defensive minded, tough, ball-handling wing who can defend 3 positions, play 40min every night and oh yeah, he scores 20 a night.

I have high hopes for Warren but give me the All Star 9 times out of 10. Not to mention he's locked up at under $20m through 2019-20.

We'd still have #13 to take a prospect too and could maybe even use #13 and Knight to get NOR or SAC's pick and grab Skal or Criss.

Len
?
Butler
Booker
Bledsoe

That's a bloody good start.

[jredsaz]

The trade forum is insteresting. There is an MKG for Noel thread in there that someone proposed and fans of both teams are really against it, particularly Hornets fans.

Then of course my thought of a reasonable trade of the 4 for Lyles and 12 (not sure I'd do it but probably wouldn't, and definitely wouldn't if Bender is there), was met with avid no's from Jazz fans, and some say they wouldn't trade Lyles by himself for 4.

Suns fans get killed for "overvaluing their own players" in that forum. But EVERY teams fans do it. This is a perfect example.

[Kerrsed]

http://en.yibada.com/articles/130839/20160611/nba-trade-rumors-chicago-bulls-send-jimmy-butler-boston-3.htm

Of course i dont like the site, as they post multiple "Trade Rumors" daily and usually all those rumors consist on a few aricles of information along with a trade idea created by the author or an author of another website (Fansided/BleacherReport/Etc.), but they do usually include a few tidbits of info.

This one pointed out the fact that Chad Ford has been mentioning to keep an eye on the Bulls, and they are looking at moving either Rose or Butler or both. I think we have been kind of aware about this for a few weeks now. But another interesting tidbit is:

......the Bulls see Kris Dunn as a good fit for Hoiball and there is a big possibility that they would move up in the draft to pick him, according to KC Johnson of the Chicago Tribune.
"This year's draft isn't as deep at point guard. If the Bulls don't trade up, one player sources say intrigues them - Providence combo guard Kris Dunn - certainly would be gone at No. 14," Johnson said.
He also noted that despite the Bulls reputation as weak traders, they can pull off a transaction if they want to.
"The Bulls historically have been aggressive with trades to move up in the draft, doing so to acquire Luol Deng in 2004 and Doug McDermott in 2014," Johnson concluded.

Of course it was also mentioned that Dunn has talked about wanting to play for the Wolves and Coach Thibs, so if Chicago thinks that Dunn is their guy (I guess they like the fact that some are starting to compare him to Wall, which i think is asinine), they will have to leap-frog the Wolves to get him.

Now for the "Trade Rumor", which was in actuality an idea pulled from the blogabull.com website:

The Bulls could send Jimmy Butler in exchange for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and the no.3 pick. Butler is a star in the league and one of the best two-way players. The Bulls would be taking a step back but Butler alone would not suffice to drag the team into the offseason. Bradley and Crowder are capable defensive players who can be building blocks for their future.
However, the Celtics view Crowder as an integral piece for them, even untouchable. This could be the negotiating point for both teams.

#3/Bradley/Crowder for Butler. Reading the comments from Bulls fans on that blogabull website, its almost unanimous that they HATE the idea. #4/Warren isnt even close to that Celtics offer. They are looking for not just a pick this year, but a future 1st as well, along with young talent.

[bwgood77]

The trade forum is insteresting. There is an MKG for Noel thread in there that someone proposed and fans of both teams are really against it, particularly Hornets fans.

Then of course my thought of a reasonable trade of the 4 for Lyles and 12 (not sure I'd do it but probably wouldn't, and definitely wouldn't if Bender is there), was met with avid no's from Jazz fans, and some say they wouldn't trade Lyles by himself for 4.

Suns fans get killed for "overvaluing their own players" in that forum. But EVERY teams fans do it. This is a perfect example.

Well the non biased fans that chimed in on the Lyles trade that it was a really fair trade, or maybe even a tiny bit lopsided in Phx favor. But personally I think Lyles is a stud. I liked him in the draft last year. He's a smart player and pretty much good at everything. If he was in this draft I'd definitely probably like him at 4 if Bender is gone.

But MKG I didn't know Charlotte fans were still that high on, though they did use a very high pick on him, so understandable I guess, and he probably works his ass off and is super competitive. I haven't watched him enough.

[bwgood77]

http://en.yibada.com/articles/130839/20160611/nba-trade-rumors-chicago-bulls-send-jimmy-butler-boston-3.htm

Of course i dont like the site, as they post multiple "Trade Rumors" daily and usually all those rumors consist on a few aricles of information along with a trade idea created by the author or an author of another website (Fansided/BleacherReport/Etc.), but they do usually include a few tidbits of info.

This one pointed out the fact that Chad Ford has been mentioning to keep an eye on the Bulls, and they are looking at moving either Rose or Butler or both. I think we have been kind of aware about this for a few weeks now. But another interesting tidbit is:

......the Bulls see Kris Dunn as a good fit for Hoiball and there is a big possibility that they would move up in the draft to pick him, according to KC Johnson of the Chicago Tribune.
"This year's draft isn't as deep at point guard. If the Bulls don't trade up, one player sources say intrigues them - Providence combo guard Kris Dunn - certainly would be gone at No. 14," Johnson said.
He also noted that despite the Bulls reputation as weak traders, they can pull off a transaction if they want to.
"The Bulls historically have been aggressive with trades to move up in the draft, doing so to acquire Luol Deng in 2004 and Doug McDermott in 2014," Johnson concluded.

Of course it was also mentioned that Dunn has talked about wanting to play for the Wolves and Coach Thibs, so if Chicago thinks that Dunn is their guy (I guess they like the fact that some are starting to compare him to Wall, which i think is asinine), they will have to leap-frog the Wolves to get him.

Now for the "Trade Rumor", which was in actuality an idea pulled from the blogabull.com website:

The Bulls could send Jimmy Butler in exchange for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and the no.3 pick. Butler is a star in the league and one of the best two-way players. The Bulls would be taking a step back but Butler alone would not suffice to drag the team into the offseason. Bradley and Crowder are capable defensive players who can be building blocks for their future.
However, the Celtics view Crowder as an integral piece for them, even untouchable. This could be the negotiating point for both teams.

#3/Bradley/Crowder for Butler. Reading the comments from Bulls fans on that blogabull website, its almost unanimous that they HATE the idea. #4/Warren isnt even close to that Celtics offer. They are looking for not just a pick this year, but a future 1st as well, along with young talent.

They can throw in a ton more picks too. I thought they might offer the 3 and Smart and one of their bigs and have so many picks in this draft they could give them a bunch in the late 1st or 2nd as well. I hope the Bulls to trade for Butler though.

[MathiasPW]

Bulls have no need for Warren having McDermott and Mirotic on the roster. Actually, what they need the most us front court help and we have no value to offer there.

Bledsoe could be a good substitute for Dunn, but doubt they'd prefer his injury history having their own history with Rose and all.

[dremill24]

The trade forum is insteresting. There is an MKG for Noel thread in there that someone proposed and fans of both teams are really against it, particularly Hornets fans.

Then of course my thought of a reasonable trade of the 4 for Lyles and 12 (not sure I'd do it but probably wouldn't, and definitely wouldn't if Bender is there), was met with avid no's from Jazz fans, and some say they wouldn't trade Lyles by himself for 4.

Suns fans get killed for "overvaluing their own players" in that forum. But EVERY teams fans do it. This is a perfect example.

Well the non biased fans that chimed in on the Lyles trade that it was a really fair trade, or maybe even a tiny bit lopsided in Phx favor. But personally I think Lyles is a stud. I liked him in the draft last year. He's a smart player and pretty much good at everything. If he was in this draft I'd definitely probably like him at 4 if Bender is gone.

But MKG I didn't know Charlotte fans were still that high on, though they did use a very high pick on him, so understandable I guess, and he probably works his ass off and is super competitive. I haven't watched him enough.

I really like Lyles' offensive game, but i worry about his defense. I havent watched him (closely) enough to have my own strong opinion, but what i read about it hasnt been overly thrilling.

[bwgood77]

Bulls have no need for Warren having McDermott and Mirotic on the roster. Actually, what they need the most us front court help and we have no value to offer there.

Bledsoe could be a good substitute for Dunn, but doubt they'd prefer his injury history having their own history with Rose and all.

I think they would probably want Len, Knight and the 4.

[TeamTragic]

Love for #3?

I guarantee that Love can fetch the #3. I'll put a pin in this for you and Ginobliflops when he is inevitably traded.

I will gladly do a year sig bet with you on that.

Add me to that bet as well. Not going to happen. Boston isn't **** stupid (unlike Brooklyn)