The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3)

[JordansBulls]

OK they're good but man oh man its getting a bit much. They're beatable. Just because the Cavs can't doesn't mean 2-3 west teams have no shot, and that's where I'd put it.

OKC was up 3-1 and winning game 6 till the last minut and a half so definitely beatable. Not to mention both CP3 and Blake were out and Memphis had a bunch of guys out as well.

[te887848]

OK they're good but man oh man its getting a bit much. They're beatable. Just because the Cavs can't doesn't mean 2-3 west teams have no shot, and that's where I'd put it.

OKC was up 3-1 and winning game 6 till the last minut and a half so definitely beatable. Not to mention both CP3 and Blake were out and Memphis had a bunch of guys out as well.

OKC is a powerhouse and if Durant re-signs they are 60+ win title-contending material every single year, but they were also lucky Curry wasn't close to fully healthy which contributed to them going up 3-1 to begin with.

As far as LAC and Memphis, don't make me laugh. Warriors would crush either team with ease. Warriors were far and away better than anyone in the league this year, hence their regular season record AND their championship despite their best player being hobbled.

[bondom34]

OK they're good but man oh man its getting a bit much. They're beatable. Just because the Cavs can't doesn't mean 2-3 west teams have no shot, and that's where I'd put it.

OKC was up 3-1 and winning game 6 till the last minut and a half so definitely beatable. Not to mention both CP3 and Blake were out and Memphis had a bunch of guys out as well.

OKC is a powerhouse and if Durant re-signs they are 60+ win title-contending material every single year, but they were also lucky Curry wasn't close to fully healthy which contributed to them going up 3-1 to begin with.

As far as LAC and Memphis, don't make me laugh. Warriors would crush either team with ease. Warriors were far and away better than anyone in the league this year, hence their regular season record AND their championship despite their best player being hobbled.

I'd disagree on LA. And the injury thing I don't buy.

[Bruh Man]

OK they're good but man oh man its getting a bit much. They're beatable. Just because the Cavs can't doesn't mean 2-3 west teams have no shot, and that's where I'd put it.

OKC was up 3-1 and winning game 6 till the last minut and a half so definitely beatable. Not to mention both CP3 and Blake were out and Memphis had a bunch of guys out as well.

OKC is a powerhouse and if Durant re-signs they are 60+ win title-contending material every single year, but they were also lucky Curry wasn't close to fully healthy which contributed to them going up 3-1 to begin with.

As far as LAC and Memphis, don't make me laugh. Warriors would crush either team with ease. Warriors were far and away better than anyone in the league this year, hence their regular season record AND their championship despite their best player being hobbled.

Curry not being 100% isn't the reason they were up 3-1, Thompson is the reason GSW didn't get eliminated by the Thunder. I think both the Spurs and Thunder are on the Warriors level and either team can eliminate them.

Clippers and Memphis don't stand a chance, and the entire east also doesn't stand a chance against the 3 best teams in the league.

[dreamshake]

Clippers and Memphis don't stand a chance, and the entire east also doesn't stand a chance against the 3 best teams in the league.

Saying Cleveland doesn't stand a chance against OKC is silly. We beat them both games this season, including blowing them out in their own building. LeBron is 17-4 against Durant in his career. OKC matches up better against GSW, but not against us.

[PaulieWal]

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[Bruh Man]

Clippers and Memphis don't stand a chance, and the entire east also doesn't stand a chance against the 3 best teams in the league.

Saying Cleveland doesn't stand a chance against OKC is silly. We beat them both games this season, including blowing them out in their own building. LeBron is 17-4 against Durant in his career. OKC matches up better against GSW, but not against us.

Maybe, I just feel like OKC looked a lot better in the playoffs than the regular season. Cavs would definitely have a better chance against them than the Warriors or Spurs, I guess having home court against the Thunder is also a big plus for Cleveland. I would still put my money on the Thunder though.

[JulesWinnfield]

I can't believe anyone can deny with a straight face that Curry has been playing hurt, and that it hasn't been a factor in his postseason. And save me the fraudulent false equivalencies that "everyone is banged up this time of year". He was healthy enough to still play on an all star level, but there is a significant gap between what he was and what he has been. Significant. Not conceding that is ridiculously disingenuous. This may have been everyone's best chance to beat Golden State in the next couple years, and it didn't get done. Anyone is "beatable", but if they're healthy they're just starting their dynastic run. They ain't stopping at 2

Lol Memphis

[dreamshake]

Clippers and Memphis don't stand a chance, and the entire east also doesn't stand a chance against the 3 best teams in the league.

Saying Cleveland doesn't stand a chance against OKC is silly. We beat them both games this season, including blowing them out in their own building. LeBron is 17-4 against Durant in his career. OKC matches up better against GSW, but not against us.

Maybe, I just feel like OKC looked a lot better in the playoffs than the regular season. Cavs would definitely have a better chance against them than the Warriors or Spurs, I guess having home court against the Thunder is also a big plus for Cleveland. I would still put my money on the Thunder though.

We played a lot better in the playoffs than the regular season too. Just find it hard to believe that Durant would beat LBJ in 4 out of 7, when it's taken him 21 games to get 4 wins so far. Regardlass, I think it's safe to say we'd "have a chance"

[Dupp]

I can't believe anyone can deny with a straight face that Curry has been playing hurt, and that it hasn't been a factor in his postseason. And save me the fraudulent false equivalencies that "everyone is banged up this time of year". He was healthy enough to still play on an all star level, but there is a significant gap between what he was and what he has been. Significant. Not conceding that is ridiculously disingenuous. This may have been everyone's best chance to beat Golden State in the next couple years, and it didn't get done. Anyone is "beatable", but if they're healthy they're just starting their dynastic run. They ain't stopping at 2

Lol Memphis

Lebron was hurt all post season last year and not once was it used as an excuse. Curry is out there an he just scored 38 there's no excuses. It's just another double standard for curry people are using to prop him up.

Curry is just unable to sustain his level of play from the reg season to the playoffs, more to the point the finals. He's still great but just not as great as the reg season would have you believe.

[JulesWinnfield]

I can't believe anyone can deny with a straight face that Curry has been playing hurt, and that it hasn't been a factor in his postseason. And save me the fraudulent false equivalencies that "everyone is banged up this time of year". He was healthy enough to still play on an all star level, but there is a significant gap between what he was and what he has been. Significant. Not conceding that is ridiculously disingenuous. This may have been everyone's best chance to beat Golden State in the next couple years, and it didn't get done. Anyone is "beatable", but if they're healthy they're just starting their dynastic run. They ain't stopping at 2

Lol Memphis

Lebron was hurt all post season last year and not once was it used as an excuse. Curry is out there an he just scored 38 there's no excuses. It's just another double standard for curry people are using to prop him up.

I'm as big a Lebron fan as anyone on this board, I didn't hate him 3 years ago like you likely did, so save me the false equivalencies please. It's a nonsensical comparison. He just scored 38 so he can't be hurt? That's right up there with people saying he can't be hurt because he said "I'm back!" against Portland in OT in the heat of the moment when feeling himself after a big flurry. I guess when Kevin Garnett yelled "anything is possible" it would have been perfectly normal for bats to take flight directly out of his butthole right there on the spot, because anything is possible.

If people can't see that Steph is compromised they are in denial. And there is no need to make "excuses" for a team who just won the title. There's a difference between excuses and explanations, and the explanation for his decline in this playoff run is that he was clearly playing injured.

[bondom34]

I think the "hurt" thing was and is a bit of an excuse. I just do, when you play poorly and look disinterested, that's not hurt.

[Dupp]

Lots of great players have played hurt in the playoffs he doesn't get any extra credit from me. Not sure why your so hellbent on giving curry extra browny points but me citing lebron as hurt last year is a "nonsensical comparison".

Until curry actually plays a certain way in the playoffs he's only as good as what we've seen. That's what made guys like MJ so great they continued and elevated their goat level of play on the big stage.
Curry is yet to do that to the extend you're assuming he can. It's just hearsay he's never proved it.

Again he's still great and played at a very high level and his teams about to win b2b titles so good for him.

[JulesWinnfield]

I think the "hurt" thing was and is a bit of an excuse. I just do, when you play poorly and look disinterested, that's not hurt.

So they just won the title with their best player "disinterested". He's just not that into basketball I guess. That's probably why he missed those 2 weeks too, not because he was injured. He just wasn't interested in playing

[Dupp]

Anyway onto the lebron and draymond incident. A lots being made about draymond calling Lebron a ***** but there was clearly more said.

I've seen lebron get called that countless times in the playoffs and he's never publicly complained about it. Marion, kg, pierce, steverson have all said far more than that. You could hear some of the stuff Marion said through the TV in 2011 so thinking it was as innocent as one word by draymond I really doubt it.

[bondom34]

I think the "hurt" thing was and is a bit of an excuse. I just do, when you play poorly and look disinterested, that's not hurt.

So they just won the title with their best player "disinterested". He's just not that into basketball I guess. That's probably why he missed those 2 weeks too, not because he was injured. He just wasn't interested in playing

I'm not saying he wasn't hurt then. But he came back, was great. A bad game? He's hurt! Then he drops 30, he's back! Then a bad game? He's hurt! Then he plays well, he's back! Everyone's a little banged up, he's not hurt. He played poorly in game 3 this series b/c he was disinterested. He was off vs OKC because he was well defended.

[Dupp]

I think the "hurt" thing was and is a bit of an excuse. I just do, when you play poorly and look disinterested, that's not hurt.

So they just won the title with their best player "disinterested". He's just not that into basketball I guess. That's probably why he missed those 2 weeks too, not because he was injured. He just wasn't interested in playing

Lebrons had a number of playoff games where he's looked "disinterested". It's just what happens when you play poorly and get taken out of your game.

[RSCD3_]

I think the "hurt" thing was and is a bit of an excuse. I just do, when you play poorly and look disinterested, that's not hurt.

So they just won the title with their best player "disinterested". He's just not that into basketball I guess. That's probably why he missed those 2 weeks too, not because he was injured. He just wasn't interested in playing

I'm not saying he wasn't hurt then. But he came back, was great. A bad game? He's hurt! Then he drops 30, he's back! Then a bad game? He's hurt! Then he plays well, he's back! Everyone's a little banged up, he's not hurt. He played poorly in game 3 this series b/c he was disinterested. He was off vs OKC because he was well defended.

His acceleration has been affected and his lift on jumpers is down too.

He's not the same as in the RS and because it's because of a clear injury and now recovering into that shape than just fatigue, I don't think you can call it the same as being banged up.

[DreDay]

I think the "hurt" thing was and is a bit of an excuse. I just do, when you play poorly and look disinterested, that's not hurt.

So they just won the title with their best player "disinterested". He's just not that into basketball I guess. That's probably why he missed those 2 weeks too, not because he was injured. He just wasn't interested in playing

I'm not saying he wasn't hurt then. But he came back, was great. A bad game? He's hurt! Then he drops 30, he's back! Then a bad game? He's hurt! Then he plays well, he's back! Everyone's a little banged up, he's not hurt. He played poorly in game 3 this series b/c he was disinterested. He was off vs OKC because he was well defended.

Yeah, not sure where you're getting this on and off hurt thing. Would say 99% of Warriors fans thinks he's hurt no matter what his point totals are, because we've watched him for his whole career and know this isn't how he normally moves.

[Rerisen]

Curry situation doesn't have to be either/or. It's possible he's less than 100% AND that even if 100% he wouldn't be the exact same Curry as the season.

The history of the NBA is, barring a few rare exceptions, a history of players seeing their play level reduced in the playoffs, due to opponent talent, preparation, and everyone's effort level at max, which usually manifests more on defense.

We need only look at 2015 Finals Curry for an example.