The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3)

[bondom34]

Yeah, not sure where you're getting this on and off hurt thing. Would say 99% of Warriors fans thinks he's hurt no matter what his point totals are, because we've watched him for his whole career and know this isn't how he normally moves.

Because whenever I'm watching TV, there is this constant back and forth, and I know some don't see him as hurt. Personally I don't, never did. He was playing well since his second game back, then whenever he plays poorly I see the "hurt" thing come up. I don't believe it until there's actual proof.

Edit: And I just saw the above about not being 100 percent, which is fine and I totally buy that. But nobody is at 100 percent right now, absolutely nobody. So its just not a valid excuse there either to me. He's just not played well.

Are you talking about JVG arguing to himself? That's nothing, and hardly something to create this narrative out of.

Further, how are you ever going to get actual proof that he's hurt though? If you don't watch Curry a lot, it may be hard to see but considering fans/guys close to the team say that he's not moving like he used to, and Curry himself citing that he's sitting out the Olympics for his knee...for me that's enough proof to say he's not 100%, and not like most players either.

Not talking about JVG at all, I'm talking about the media in general. And like half the Olympic roster is sitting out. WB, Harden, Davis, etc all did the same, so they're hurt too I guess. Hurt doesn't explain suddenly bad handles and shooting slumps.

[DreDay]

Not talking about JVG at all, I'm talking about the media in general.

I'd love to hear one example of someone saying that Curry is hurt after a bad game, and fine after a good game. Should be easy to find right?

And like half the Olympic roster is sitting out. WB, Harden, Davis, etc all did the same, so they're hurt too I guess.

Awesome. Way to ignore everything else I just said. Also, I wasn't aware these guys cited an injury that they suffered in a playoffs. But sure. It's the same.

Hurt doesn't explain suddenly bad handles and shooting slumps.

Exactly the strawman I was talking about. Me discussing Curry's restricted movement = you saying I'm talking about bad handles and shooting slumps. Thank you for proving my point.

[bondom34]

Not talking about JVG at all, I'm talking about the media in general.

I'd love to hear one example of someone saying that Curry is hurt after a bad game, and fine after a good game. Should be easy to find right?

And like half the Olympic roster is sitting out. WB, Harden, Davis, etc all did the same, so they're hurt too I guess.

Awesome. Way to ignore everything else I just said. Also, I wasn't aware these guys cited an injury that they suffered in a playoffs. But sure. It's the same.

Hurt doesn't explain suddenly bad handles and shooting slumps.

Exactly the strawman I was talking about. Me discussing Curry's restricted movement = you saying I'm talking about bad handles and shooting slumps. Thank you for proving my point.

1. Sportscenter for the last month.

2. http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/who-left-for-usa-basketball-olympic-team-after-withdrawals

Chris Paul is getting up there in age and pulled out of the Olympics citing the need to rest and recuperate ahead of another daunting 82-game sprint that is the NBA’s regular season. And that was all before he broke his hand in the first round of this year’s playoffs.

John Wall hasn’t officially been ruled out for Rio, but underwent procedures on both knees back in May and is largely expected to miss the Games. Recent reports suggest Wall is ahead of schedule, but after basically playing on one leg all of this past season, it would be surprising to see him rush his recovery to suit up for the United States at the 2016 Olympics.

And the article goes on.

Edit: And I never said anything about equating handles and shooting w injury, because they're unrelated.

[DreDay]

Not talking about JVG at all, I'm talking about the media in general.

I'd love to hear one example of someone saying that Curry is hurt after a bad game, and fine after a good game. Should be easy to find right?

And like half the Olympic roster is sitting out. WB, Harden, Davis, etc all did the same, so they're hurt too I guess.

Awesome. Way to ignore everything else I just said. Also, I wasn't aware these guys cited an injury that they suffered in a playoffs. But sure. It's the same.

Hurt doesn't explain suddenly bad handles and shooting slumps.

Exactly the strawman I was talking about. Me discussing Curry's restricted movement = you saying I'm talking about bad handles and shooting slumps. Thank you for proving my point.

1. Sportscenter for the last month.

2. http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/who-left-for-usa-basketball-olympic-team-after-withdrawals

Chris Paul is getting up there in age and pulled out of the Olympics citing the need to rest and recuperate ahead of another daunting 82-game sprint that is the NBA’s regular season. And that was all before he broke his hand in the first round of this year’s playoffs.

John Wall hasn’t officially been ruled out for Rio, but underwent procedures on both knees back in May and is largely expected to miss the Games. Recent reports suggest Wall is ahead of schedule, but after basically playing on one leg all of this past season, it would be surprising to see him rush his recovery to suit up for the United States at the 2016 Olympics.

And the article goes on.

Edit: And I never said anything about equating handles and shooting w injury, because they're unrelated.

Sportscentre is very vague, especially as you can't even state the name of someone who is participating in the narrative you're creating.

Don't see the point of bringing up CP3. CP3 got injured in the playoffs as everyone knows, and cited that as why he's sitting out. He never made it far enough to come back, we never saw him play since so how is he relevant? If you can take CP3's word, don't see why believing Curry is so difficult. With Wall...no clue where you're going. Bringing up others injuries doesn't mean that Curry isn't visibly affected by his knee.

You said being hurt doesn't mean he has bad handles or shooting slumps. Am I wrong for interpreting your posts as Curry is struggling with some things unrelated to injury, so that means he isn't injured? It isn't mutually exclusive. He can be injured and have non-injury related issues. I'm saying anyone who has watched Curry a lot over the past years (sounds like you haven't), knows he isn't moving like himself out there.

[bondom34]

Sportscentre is very vague, especially as you can't even state the name of someone who is participating in the narrative you're creating.

Don't see the point of bringing up CP3. CP3 got injured in the playoffs as everyone knows, and cited that as why he's sitting out. He never made it far enough to come back, we never saw him play since so how is he relevant? If you can take CP3's word, don't see why believing Curry is so difficult. With Wall...no clue where you're going. Bringing up others injuries doesn't mean that Curry isn't visibly affected by his knee.

You said being hurt doesn't mean he has bad handles or shooting slumps. Am I wrong for interpreting your posts as Curry is struggling with some things unrelated to injury, so that means he isn't injured? It isn't mutually exclusive. He can be injured and have non-injury related issues. I'm saying anyone who has watched Curry a lot over the past years (sounds like you haven't), knows he isn't moving like himself out there.

And Wall? And LMA? And AD? All hurt. And Harden and Westbrook didn't give reasons but both have been banged up recently.

Wilbon, Smith, Legler, all saying he's hurt after a bad game then hopping on the bandwagon again when he goes off. Its basically all of ESPN. Just 2 days ago someone (forget who, one of their stats guys) tried to say he was injured because he had a bad PER.

And hey, maybe he is struggling w/ injury,, but that's not what I mean when I'm saying he's not playing well. I'm talking about the shooting and handles, not being a step slow. Step slow is still a top tier player and would be MVP caliber. He hasn't been close to that, he's been more TO prone, off shot, and at times looked disinterested. That's what I mean.

[therealbig3]

I mean, whether it's injury or something else, he's clearly not himself. How many times have people been commenting on how lethargic, slow, and tired he looks?

He DID withdraw from the Olympics because of his knee as well. You're also not going to be in the best shape when you miss a month of playoff basketball and then get thrown back into heavy minutes right away. IMO, it's obvious that he gets winded way earlier and way more often than he usually does. That's weird for a guy that's usually in excellent condition (not only does he play in an uptempo system, he's also ALWAYS running around whenever he doesn't have the ball).

These are factors that are more than your typical bumps and bruises that everyone has come playoff time.

But he's also played more carelessly than usual, which is absolutely on him.

It's a combination of things. I don't think Curry has been exposed or anything like that, but I also agree that he hasn't proven that he's capable of being a dominant force come playoff time. It's still to be decided imo, and it probably won't be answered for me until next playoffs.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Because whenever I'm watching TV, there is this constant back and forth, and I know some don't see him as hurt. Personally I don't, never did. He was playing well since his second game back, then whenever he plays poorly I see the "hurt" thing come up. I don't believe it until there's actual proof.

Edit: And I just saw the above about not being 100 percent, which is fine and I totally buy that. But nobody is at 100 percent right now, absolutely nobody. So its just not a valid excuse there either to me. He's just not played well.

Are you talking about JVG arguing to himself? That's nothing, and hardly something to create this narrative out of.

Further, how are you ever going to get actual proof that he's hurt though? If you don't watch Curry a lot, it may be hard to see but considering fans/guys close to the team say that he's not moving like he used to, and Curry himself citing that he's sitting out the Olympics for his knee...for me that's enough proof to say he's not 100%, and not like most players either.

Not talking about JVG at all, I'm talking about the media in general. And like half the Olympic roster is sitting out. WB, Harden, Davis, etc all did the same, so they're hurt too I guess. Hurt doesn't explain suddenly bad handles and shooting slumps.

Davis is had a knee surgury and has had a torn rotator cuff since before he got drafted and the Pelicans medical staff were like nah.
He might not make training camp

NOLA!

[bondom34]

I mean, whether it's injury or something else, he's clearly not himself. How many times have people been commenting on how lethargic, slow, and tired he looks?

He DID withdraw from the Olympics because of his knee as well. You're also not going to be in the best shape when you miss a month of playoff basketball and then get thrown back into heavy minutes right away. IMO, it's obvious that he gets winded way earlier and way more often than he usually does. That's weird for a guy that's usually in excellent condition (not only does he play in an uptempo system, he's also ALWAYS running around whenever he doesn't have the ball).

These are factors that are more than your typical bumps and bruises that everyone has come playoff time.

But he's also played more carelessly than usual, which is absolutely on him.

It's a combination of things. I don't think Curry has been exposed or anything like that, but I also agree that he hasn't proven that he's capable of being a dominant force come playoff time. It's still to be decided imo, and it probably won't be answered for me until next playoffs.

This is what I'm talking about. Yeah, a step slow sure, but that's not what's making him truly less effective IMO.

[DreDay]

Sportscentre is very vague, especially as you can't even state the name of someone who is participating in the narrative you're creating.

Don't see the point of bringing up CP3. CP3 got injured in the playoffs as everyone knows, and cited that as why he's sitting out. He never made it far enough to come back, we never saw him play since so how is he relevant? If you can take CP3's word, don't see why believing Curry is so difficult. With Wall...no clue where you're going. Bringing up others injuries doesn't mean that Curry isn't visibly affected by his knee.

You said being hurt doesn't mean he has bad handles or shooting slumps. Am I wrong for interpreting your posts as Curry is struggling with some things unrelated to injury, so that means he isn't injured? It isn't mutually exclusive. He can be injured and have non-injury related issues. I'm saying anyone who has watched Curry a lot over the past years (sounds like you haven't), knows he isn't moving like himself out there.

And Wall? And LMA? And AD? All hurt. And Harden and Westbrook didn't give reasons but both have been banged up recently.

Wilbon, Smith, Legler, all saying he's hurt after a bad game then hopping on the bandwagon again when he goes off. Its basically all of ESPN. Just 2 days ago someone (forget who, one of their stats guys) tried to say he was injured because he had a bad PER.

And hey, maybe he is struggling w/ injury,, but that's not what I mean when I'm saying he's not playing well. I'm talking about the shooting and handles, not being a step slow. Step slow is still a top tier player and would be MVP caliber. He hasn't been close to that, he's been more TO prone, off shot, and at times looked disinterested. That's what I mean.

After game 3 CLE/GSW, Stephen A Smith - "I don't want to hear anything about him being hurt."
After game 4 OKC/GSW, Michael Wilbon talks about OKC's length without even mentioning Curry being hurt.

Like I said, don't see the excuses apart from post like yours on this forum.

Just answer me this question - do you think he's moving like he normally does? Do you think that having a knee injury in the playoffs where he actually had to miss time (a sprained MCL) means that he would be more banged up than guys who don't have to miss time with their ailments.

[bondom34]

After game 3 CLE/GSW, Stephen A Smith - "I don't want to hear anything about him being hurt."
After game 4 OKC/GSW, Michael Wilbon talks about OKC's length without even mentioning Curry being hurt.

Like I said, don't see the excuses apart from post like yours on this forum.

Just answer me this question - do you think he's moving like he normally does? Do you think that having a knee injury in the playoffs where he actually had to miss time (a sprained MCL) means that he would be more banged up than guys who don't have to miss time with their ailments.

See above.

I think he's a step slow, maybe. But that's not what I mean when I say he's playing poorly. I mean he's playing poorly. Bad handles, bad shot, not defending well. That's unrelated to injury.

And the same network (ESPN) is ready to proclaim he's back every good game.

[Greatness]

Green suspended, series not over yet.

[JulesWinnfield]

Green suspended, series not over yet.

I'm not going to allow myself to get pulled back in. But the crazy thing about these historical droughts, when they usually end they end in epic fashion when hope looks more lost than ever. I'm not a baseball fan, but of course the Red Sox broke their 86 year curse coming back from down 3-0. Can Cleveland end their city streak in a similar epic fashion? Time will tell I guess. I mean you obviously like their chances way more now in game 5, and if they can ever get that game they are 1 home win away from a one game winner take all and anything can happen in a best of 1

I'm rooting for the Cavs, so this is welcome news. But the general basketball fan in me thinks this is kinda silly, I don't believe he should have been suspended for that incident. It's obviously more of a lifetime achievement award

[Basileus777]

I'm rooting for the Cavs, so this is welcome news. But the general basketball fan in me thinks this is kinda silly, I don't believe he should have been suspended for that incident. It's obviously more of a lifetime achievement award

Yeah, he should have been suspended against OKC. But this was probably the final straw for the league office and he deserves the punishment.

Well now the finals MVP contest is between Steph and Iggy.

[JulesWinnfield]

Think about this though... Suspension means you aren't even allowed in the building. So if the Warriors win this title tomorrow, Draymond is not only not playing but he's not even at oracle to take part in the celebration. At least in the immediate aftermath, maybe he gets in later that night

[Basileus777]

Think about this though... Suspension means you aren't even allowed in the building. So if the Warriors win this title tomorrow, Draymond is not only not playing but he's not even at oracle to take part in the celebration. At least in the immediate aftermath, maybe he gets in later that night

The guy hurt his team with these antics and was lucky he got away with it for so long, not being able to celebrate with his team would actually be pretty fitting.

And it's worth noting that he wasn't actually suspended for this incident, just given another flagrant 1. He's suspended because he kept doing stupid **** all playoffs.

[IG2]

Green suspended, series not over yet.

That helps, although I don't know how much considering GS is home. They are still heavy favorites, but at least Love has a reason to be on the court for a change.

On a different note, was watching the first half of Game 4 on NBA TV a short while ago and LeBron's passiveness is a lot more annoying on second viewing. I chalked up most of his passiveness the other day to his offensive limitations, but watching the game again, there were so many times where he put the ball on the floor and could've taken it all the way to the rack, but instead chose to pass it out to an often-covered shooter. And in general he was hesitant to take shots inside, preferring to dump it off. I don't know what to make of that, but it's an inexcusable approach in a must-win game. He better go out blazing in Game 5.

[PaulieWal]

Green suspended, series not over yet.

You really think the series is not over? Even if the Cavs win game 5 it's only going to make the pain of losing much worse when they lose at home in game 6. Or if they somehow win games 5 and 6, there's no way they are winning game 7 at Oracle.

[JulesWinnfield]

Green suspended, series not over yet.

You really think the series is not over? Even if the Cavs win game 5 it's only going to make the pain of losing much worse when they lose at home in game 6. Or if they somehow win games 5 and 6, there's no way they are winning game 7 at Oracle.

The odds are still long, very long. But in a one game situation (if they get this to 7) anything is possible. JR Smith could go 8 for 11 from 3 for all we know. The splash brothers could have an off night. Someone can turn an ankle or get in foul trouble. You just never know. Lebron is also historically a game 7 monster

[MyUniBroDavis]

So Lebron literally steps on green and green gets a flagrant?

Really? I like Lebron, but the NBA is so damn corrupt it's ridiculous,

[Basileus777]

So Lebron literally steps on green and green gets a flagrant?

Really? I like Lebron, but the NBA is so damn corrupt it's ridiculous,

Did you miss the part where Green swung at LeBron's nuts?