Thank Nation! Raps Pick 9th - Draft on June 23rd 8pm (Part 6)

[MEDIC]

After all the info, his PER, size, NBA readiness, lack of weaknesses compared to other prospects. If nobody drops I have no question Poeltl is the bpa. I'm actually surprised he's projected around our spot. Skilled young 7 footers usually go much higher.

Yeah, I think in a weaker draft he's easily a top 3 pick.

He's a top 5 talent in my eyes. Possibly even in this draft.

He doesn't look like a traditional big man to me. He looks like a young Dunleavy Jr. but with a very solid post-up game. Definitely looks like he will hit the three or at worst long jumpers. I just hope Raps take a long look because his game looks to only get better. As far as as I know he hasn't come in for a workout which sucks. His persoanlity seems like he would be a great fit. He's positive, articulate, hell I can barely hear the Awnuld accent. Barely. I am happy with any of Chriss, Korkmaz or Poetl.

Why Dunleavy Jr.? Because he kind of looks like him?

Poeltl primarily used his post game in College. He didn't even shoot long range. He's also over 3 inches taller than Dunleavy.

If they can keep Poeltl lighter, but wiry strong he could be a very good 4/5.

[McFurious1]

I keep going back and forth on prospects as well.

This is my draft board if no one falls (right now)

Poeltl (he's won be over due to his size and potential of playing PF)
Prince
Korkmaz

[CoachJReturns]

Is Poetl expected to come for a workout? Obviously fit is an issue for the long term, but he's one of the best combinations of size, skill, upside and low bust potential in our range. Not a star, but a guy with a good shot of being a starting caliber center in the future which makes him a nice asset to have.

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[Lunchpailhero1]

There are rumors Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere will not work out anymore for teams picking after 10, which is where the Bucks currently reside. Does Labissiere and his agents have a “promise’’ to be taken in the top 10? Or, as some NBA officials point out, are they concerned about some possible Labissiere back and knee issues? – via Woelfel's Press Box
Via Hoopshype so take with a grain of salt

Interesting development if true. Skal and Chriss seem to be shooting up the board. This could be good for guys slipping to us.

[fame]

Is Poetl expected to come for a workout? Obviously fit is an issue for the long term, but he's one of the best combinations of size, skill, upside and low bust potential in our range. Not a star, but a guy with a good shot of being a starting caliber center in the future which makes him a nice asset to have.

I'm sure they'll bring him in for a workout. They always do their due diligence.

You're exactly right! Having a talented starting caliber centre is always an asset.

I honestly don't care if Poeltl can only play center. Take Utah as an example...They drafted Enes Kanter with the 3rd pick overall in 2011! Very high pick. Then drafted Gobert in 2013 even though they were already stacked with bigs in Favors and Kanter...Gobert went on to being more valuable than Kanter even though he wasn't a top 3 pick.

You can never have too much talent. Regardless of position.

[CoachJReturns]

I took a quick look around the league to see how many teams could use a center like Poetl now or in a few years when their current center retires or declines. Basically, every team outside of the following:

Brooklyn - Lopez
Denver - Jokic and Nurkic
Detroit - Drummond
Golden State - Green works for them at center.
Indiana - Turner
LA Clippers - Jordan
Minnesota - Towns
New York - Porzingis
Orlando - Vucevic(May prefer a better defended some time in the future)
Philly - Embid, Noel
Sacramento - Cousins (Will need a replacement one day. That situation can't last forever.)
Utah - Gobert


What this tells me is Poetl may have the beat value as a trade asset Ina few years time. There are about 20 teams that could use him if he developed into a solid two way center. Even if that number is high, I'd say 15 teams easily. Everyone wants to go small and shoot more threes, but thats a lot easier to accomplish I think of there is a legit 7 footer rebounding and defending inside. Most teams still start a traditional center, there just aren't that many good ones to go around.

Poetl likely isn't a great fit with JV, but he might be the smart play. I still like Korkmaz, Luwawu and anyone who falls really, but I couldn't be mad if we took this guy. Someone will want him and might be willing to offer a very nice trade one day.

[fame]

There are rumors Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere will not work out anymore for teams picking after 10, which is where the Bucks currently reside. Does Labissiere and his agents have a “promise’’ to be taken in the top 10? Or, as some NBA officials point out, are they concerned about some possible Labissiere back and knee issues? – via Woelfel's Press Box
Via Hoopshype so take with a grain of salt

Interesting development if true. Skal and Chriss seem to be shooting up the board. This could be good for guys slipping to us.

Some sort of misinformation going on through the media. Don't know who is right but probably lots of smokescreens.

Gary Woelfel's said:
- Skal might have a promise
- Skal might have knee and back issues and won't workout.

Alex Kennedy said:
- Skal is scheduled to workout with a few teams.

Considering his injury history. Stress fracture in vertebrae in high school. I don't know what to believe.

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There are rumors Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere will not work out anymore for teams picking after 10, which is where the Bucks currently reside. Does Labissiere and his agents have a “promise’’ to be taken in the top 10? Or, as some NBA officials point out, are they concerned about some possible Labissiere back and knee issues? – via Woelfel's Press Box
Via Hoopshype so take with a grain of salt

Interesting development if true. Skal and Chriss seem to be shooting up the board. This could be good for guys slipping to us.

Some sort of misinformation going on through the media. Don't know who is right but probably lots of smokescreens.

Gary Woelfel's said:
- Skal might have a promise
- Skal might have knee and back issues and won't workout.

Alex Kennedy said:
- Skal is scheduled to workout with a few teams.

Considering his injury history. Stress fracture in vertebrae in high school. I don't know what to believe.

Celtics and Wolves both in the top 10.

[nowayguy]

Poetl looks good. I'm not sure his efficiency in college will translate well to the NBA once he's going up against players who are bigger, more athletic and just as tall as he is. He's never going to be much on the defensive side either, especially as a rim protector. That being said, he looks like a potential contributor from day 1 who could still benefit from additional time in the weight room.

As for Poetl as a 4/5 player, he's not athletic enough to move with half the PFs in the league. Dude is strictly a center.

[MEDIC]

I honestly don't care if Poeltl can only play center. You can never have too much talent. Regardless of position.

Completely agree. BPA.

We simply need a very good asset to develop or to trade.

If Val was re-signed, it would be interesting to see Poeltl tear it up on the 905 for a few months. We'd have to trade Bebe.

[Lunchpailhero1]

There are rumors Kentucky big man Skal Labissiere will not work out anymore for teams picking after 10, which is where the Bucks currently reside. Does Labissiere and his agents have a “promise’’ to be taken in the top 10? Or, as some NBA officials point out, are they concerned about some possible Labissiere back and knee issues? – via Woelfel's Press Box
Via Hoopshype so take with a grain of salt

Interesting development if true. Skal and Chriss seem to be shooting up the board. This could be good for guys slipping to us.

Some sort of misinformation going on through the media. Don't know who is right but probably lots of smokescreens.

Gary Woelfel's said:
- Skal might have a promise
- Skal might have knee and back issues and won't workout.

Alex Kennedy said:
- Skal is scheduled to workout with a few teams.

Considering his injury history. Stress fracture in vertebrae in high school. I don't know what to believe.

Ya i've read that too, but It seems the workouts that he is scheduling, all fall in top ten and he is declining the ones that fall outside of it. Later Teams are probably trying to fuel the hype so Bender falls to them.

[Legal Non-Conforming]

And there is the personal connection there already--Delon Wright played with Poetl at Utah, so I'm sure they have consulted him.

Is Poetl expected to come for a workout? Obviously fit is an issue for the long term, but he's one of the best combinations of size, skill, upside and low bust potential in our range. Not a star, but a guy with a good shot of being a starting caliber center in the future which makes him a nice asset to have.

I'm sure they'll bring him in for a workout. They always do their due diligence.

You're exactly right! Having a talented starting caliber centre is always an asset.

I honestly don't care if Poeltl can only play center. Take Utah as an example...They drafted Enes Kanter with the 3rd pick overall in 2011! Very high pick. Then drafted Gobert in 2013 even though they were already stacked with bigs in Favors and Kanter...Gobert went on to being more valuable than Kanter even though he wasn't a top 3 pick.

You can never have too much talent. Regardless of position.

[CoachJReturns]

Poetl looks good. I'm not sure his efficiency in college will translate well to the NBA once he's going up against players who are bigger, more athletic and just as tall as he is. He's never going to be much on the defensive side either, especially as a rim protector. That being said, he looks like a potential contributor from day 1 who could still benefit from additional time in the weight room.

As for Poetl as a 4/5 player, he's not athletic enough to move with half the PFs in the league. Dude is strictly a center.

Agree he's strictly a center and won't block a ton of shots. As for efficiency, he will be much more valuable if he can develop his shot. Of course that can be said about every player in the draft. Overall, he just seems like a guy who plays hard and has aa good a chance at sticking in the league as anyone in our range. There are not that many good centers in the league anymore.

[Micrew18]

Anyone remember if we took a look at Josh Adams? I feel like he's a Masai sleeper pick.. Elite athlete, great basic/advanced stats (minus the turnovers), good work ethic and plays with a chip on his shoulder

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QO8rWdIBI7w

[BoyzNTheHood]

I've tried time and time again to deny the legitimacy of Jakob Poeltl, but I give up. The way the draft board is projected, if he's there at 9 I don't see how we pass on him.

I've been looking at videos of this kid and I noticed that he's fairly quick. I'll make a quickness comparison to a former Raptor; Andrea Bargnani. Poeltl looks to have similar quickness to that Italian sack of crap who just happened to play PF. So that leads me to believe that if Poeltl continues to develop that 3 point jumper that he started to show in workouts I don't see a problem playing him WITH Jonas.

Look at the quickness he displays on the fastbreak in this video, in addition to the blocked shots.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqhAnaP-hCw[/youtube]

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Poeltl is the pick if he's on the board at 9 imo. It gives Masai a bevy of options from a trade standpoint in trying to improve the team as well.

[thunderforce]

What does BPA even mean ? does it mean best offensive player ? best defensive player or best combination of both . Is a defensive superstar worth more than on offensive superstar ? If you get the best combination player he probably won't be a defensive or offensive super star . What exactly are we looking for .

[OAKLEY_2]

After all the info, his PER, size, NBA readiness, lack of weaknesses compared to other prospects. If nobody drops I have no question Poeltl is the bpa. I'm actually surprised he's projected around our spot. Skilled young 7 footers usually go much higher.

Yeah, I think in a weaker draft he's easily a top 3 pick.

He's a top 5 talent in my eyes. Possibly even in this draft.

He doesn't look like a traditional big man to me. He looks like a young Dunleavy Jr. but with a very solid post-up game. Definitely looks like he will hit the three or at worst long jumpers. I just hope Raps take a long look because his game looks to only get better. As far as as I know he hasn't come in for a workout which sucks. His persoanlity seems like he would be a great fit. He's positive, articulate, hell I can barely hear the Awnuld accent. Barely. I am happy with any of Chriss, Korkmaz or Poetl.

Why Dunleavy Jr.? Because he kind of looks like him?

Poeltl primarily used his post game in College. He didn't even shoot long range. He's also over 3 inches taller than Dunleavy.

If they can keep Poeltl lighter, but wiry strong he could be a very good 4/5.

Dunleavy plays a bit faster and is money off the curl. Dunleavy is a serious 3 point shooter. I really like Dunleavy's game. What I see with Poetl is a similar wiry frame and if he stays strong and light he could as you indicate develop into a spacing 4/5. He is heavier on his feet than Dunleavy so DLJR is more of a wing player. Poetl just shows a frame and skillset that means he won't just be a plug down low. They will have to develop him differently in the NBA than they did in college. Would like to see if he can guard the perimeter. See no reason why not. Ellenson by comparison has more "wing" skills but if defence is always going to be a liability that would be a tough pick. Korkmaz and Chriss we know are bigger upside prospects. Taking Poetl they would have to feel confident he can paly both the 4 and the 5.

[wegetitin08]

Anyone remember if we took a look at Josh Adams? I feel like he's a Masai sleeper pick.. Elite athlete, great basic/advanced stats (minus the turnovers), good work ethic and plays with a chip on his shoulder

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QO8rWdIBI7w

good find